bigshow2312’s fan fic sanitation: Casting Clichés

bigshow2312’s fan fic sanitation: Casting Clichés

What you may read in this article may be offensive, but just think about your reputation I’m saving.

Editorial Opinion
By bigshow2312 - Sep 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Other

The Problem


I know CBM.com is a site where we can express our creative-computer-casting abilities, but I really don’t see the majority of us exercising those portions. I definitely see a lot of users, pretty much, recycling trendy picks from other articles that have been posted before-maybe days or minutes prior to. No new or fresh ideas being brought to the fiction tier, just lazy alternatives. For instance, I see Andrew Garfield as the Blue Power Ranger… a lot…. Idris Elba as somebody black… Garrett Hedlund… John Hamm…Michael Fassbender… Michael C Hall as Matt Murdock, etc. Just a wave of inert casting that comes off to the reader as redundant. In essence, if your article is the same as the last user’s post, it’s been virtually lost in the massive pile of older-unread articles. So, why waste your time cloning?

Now of course, if your favorite actor is actually in the running to play a character in a movie- by all means, show your support. Other than that- its just a hot banal mess, that the reader has to disregard.

The Solution


It’s unlikely that some big movie producer is going to read our articles anyway, but never forget that the full point of fan casting is to manifest intelligence, entertain, enjoy yourself and be unique. In contrast, think about musical artist today and notice whose style and swagger they try to imitate and how hugely noticeable it is (Lady Gaga-Madonna). Attempt to add or find something that would attract new readers. Also remember that race reversing, preferably any of the minority to the majority, is acceptable.

The following is a few suggestions of help:

-TV
You won’t get a 100% accurate cast choice, but you can find a fair share of talent on admired shows like soap operas.

-Gossip Magazines
This was an old technique I used some years ago, where I rummaged through (Us, or People) and who ever had the right look for the character, ended up in my fancasts. But please be sure to study that thespian chosen, so you won’t end up having Jersey Shore as the Fantastic Four.

-Films
The more movies you watch, the more the brain catalogues these thespians and their performances to you knowing.

These modest suggestions are a lot more inventive than just, ‘oh- I like that choice. I’ll just save this guy’s image (cough-optimus) and use it for my cast’.


Thanks and please see my fansite that I’ve created with DMB155, called JacobCityBros


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EpicMan
EpicMan - 9/23/2011, 9:22 AM
What the F*U*C*K is this shit: "Also remember that race reversing, preferably any of the minority to the majority, is acceptable."

Well i guess we now know you are racist. Seeing how the "white" race is socialy considered the majority you prefer White characters be replaced by minorities. So casting lets say Jason Stathom as Black Panther may offend you but as long as White characters are replaced you condone it. Hmm.. i wonder which "minority" you have in mind?

Racism is Racism and you sir are ingnorant.
EpicMan
EpicMan - 9/23/2011, 9:23 AM
What the F is this shit: "Also remember that race reversing, preferably any of the minority to the majority, is acceptable."

Well i guess we now know you are racist. Seeing how the "white" race is socialy considered the majority you prefer White characters be replaced by minorities. So casting lets say Jason Stathom as Black Panther may offend you but as long as White characters are replaced you condone it. Hmm.. i wonder which "minority" you have in mind?

Racism is Racism and you sir are ingnorant.


bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/23/2011, 10:05 AM
@EpicMan

Wow! I knew someone would miss the message that was presenting: standing out.
Nobody wants to be shadowed by another user on this site, but quit frankly, I've forgotten about 90% of the fancast I've read, b/c theyre just like the other posts.

How can I be racist, when there are only 4-5 comments on this article? Only that amount who payed attention, see? The term "racist", has to have an action followed by it: I'm not preaching hatred; you dont see me gathering up a rally of geeks to overthrow you or something. Plus, I'm in a minority group that doesnt have much fictional representation. Look at the Avengers film cast, there is only one minority actor in the damn movie: Sam Jackson. Who's the racist? I didnt even specify which minority groups I was talking about either: all of them. These white characters that we love today, were created back when real racism was ramped. Back when an innocent minority got imprisoned then executed... wait... they do that nowa days... RIP Tony Davis...
Today, there's nothing you can do about Hollywood white roles, being played by minorities. Heimdall-Idris Elba. It's a sign/movement of change in the CBM world. Heck, just picture who would play Superman in a rebooted film, in about 20 years....
SHHH
SHHH - 9/23/2011, 11:05 AM
I Must Agree 100% With You On This.. I Thought I Was The Only One... ;)

For Those Who Don't Like It..

EpicMan
EpicMan - 9/23/2011, 11:15 AM
Your message was overshadowed by your general view of what you deem "acceptable" in fan casting.

In your eyes race reversal as long as its minority to majority is "acceptable" how ever the opposite you would deem as unacceptable.

Here in lies your racist point of view.

For example: if i were to say: I would rather have an all white sports team than allow any "minority" members of society because sports are allready dominated by "minorities". I would be racist and ignorant if that infact did represent my point of view.

If you have a problem with the lack fictional representation of your minority group, thats a valid self aware statement.

This statement however: "Also remember that race reversing, preferably any of the minority to the majority, is acceptable."

Is whats wrong with the subconsciuos of the "minority" and what propels racism and reverse racism today.

I know its hard for a racist to be self aware that they are..... but try to treat all people under God as equal sir, and you might live a happier life.

jaysin420
jaysin420 - 9/23/2011, 12:08 PM
You have some good points, a lot of the fan casts on here seem pretty lazy. But then again they're fan casts so they should be able to do whatever they want.

Maybe the site can make a section for good fan casts and bad fan casts? lol I guess that would be too mean though.
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/23/2011, 3:04 PM
@EpicMan

The point in me writing this was to motive a user to be more creative with fan casting. That means, if changing a characters race becomes necessary-then let it be. Do what you have to do, to stand out! Race was not the main thesis of my argument but if you want an article about that, wait till next time. Still, you seem stuck on 1 little sentence in my post... Dag, it's like I'm typing the same response to your comments, in different words… maybe I need a special translator like George Bush Jr., to talk to you.

The reason minorities “[dominate]” in sports, is because white team owners put them there. There are no pro.-minority sports teams owned by minorities. Just look at the old black and white photos of basketball or football. You don’t see any minorities, do you? But because minorities are athletic (gift by God), whites put them on their teams… this tactic is called exploitation. They go to these urban communities and preach how becoming the next Yao Ming or Lebron James is highly important but never explain that an education is more vital. How do I know? I was a victim! My freshman year in high school, in my science honors course- a coach hunted me down to play on the football team- not knowing that I was more of an intellectual than competitor. He saw that I was a tall/toned minority, which was pretty much important in considering members of his team.

I lol-ed at your response like you really know me and like you’re a lawyer, convicting me of my ‘actions’… But tell me this: why was Lord of the Rings, an all Euro-cast?
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/23/2011, 3:20 PM
@SHHH

LOL Thannks


@JaySin420

True. Its forgettable after reading the same article 5xs, though. Would govern the good cast or bad cast tier?
ROMACK
ROMACK - 9/24/2011, 6:11 AM
I don't give crap what color anyone on here is. I understand both sides of the argument and what you guys need to do is to agree to disagree and let it be.

@bigshow- I see some very valid points in your suggestions, but ultimately we do these fancasts for fun. To share our view, or opinion of how we would like possible movies to turn out. When I do a fan cast I try to think of who I want to play a part. I first consider age, then voice, acting ability, size, appearance. The color of their skin is one of the last things I even think about. Now I totally agree with you that there are some really lazy, thrown together in five minute fancasts out there, and these people need guidance. You put together some great fancasts. I love your layouts, but I don't always agree with your choice of actor. However I don't attack or berate people for their choice. It is after all their fancast and if it is done well we should appreciate that they were willing to share it with us.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 9/25/2011, 3:59 AM
I'm not saying your a racist as that is quite extreme, but you are exhibiting an element of "the white man be keepin' me down" attitude. It is apparent that you make a negative separation between your own race and others, not all others, just whites it seems. If you don't like that comic characters were created during a certain era when America was more white-friendly, then maybe your culture should have beat the Europeans over here to pillage the land from my people ;) I don't care how anyone spins it, I never EVER want to see a Black/Mexican/Asian etc Gambit. Why? Because Remy is white. Neither would it ever be 'cool' to have a White/Asian/Samoan w/e Storm. Why? Because Storm is Black. End of. If you want more racial diversity in your comic heroes, they should make more heroes and apply these cultures to them rather than steal a previously established character.

Why was the LotR cast mostly European actors(and Aussies)? Could you imagine American accents in a fantasy setting? lol. And have you EVER read the books? If you have then you know none of the characters are Black. Why would they be changed?
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/25/2011, 7:11 PM
@ROMACK

I agree... but you know why I do those all black fancast
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/25/2011, 7:15 PM
@ EsseXFactor

I guess you think you’re some sort of a clever comedian, but I don’t find your little remarks funny. In fact, I think YOU are the racist, little stuff like a smiley face or “lol” don’t faze me.

Women of the majority group kills her own daughter and gets away with it






Man of the minority group is accused of killing a police officer with no evidence and gets lethal injection
troy davis Pictures, Images and Photos
troy davis Pictures, Images and Photos
Troy Davis Meeting Pictures, Images and Photos


So why should I not be upset or have the “white man be keepin’ me down” attitude as you put it? But I want you to do more research next time (on your examples too) or perform an extensive read, b/c I didn’t even specify which minority group in particular: you assumed (taking a look at my avatar). You made your self look like an ASS by not reading materials carefully and then commenting.

Then you said that, “If you don't like that comic characters were created during a certain era when America was more white-friendly, then maybe your culture should have beat the Europeans over here to pillage the land from my people ;)”… That daggone smiley face… anyways, since you’re an ASS, I draw that you didn’t participate in school very well, b/c the Africans were actually the first to interact with the Native Americans… so who beat who over here? Why should they (Africans) steal from the Natives? It beats me but I guess some (other) people like to own everything including the world ;) Especially, when I take a close look at American History, when minority inventions (ie Computers, Refrigerators, Stop Lights etc) where pillaged by the majority, so pretty much, you gave me a weapon to use in this argument.

Then you said, ” never EVER want to see a Black/Mexican/Asian etc Gambit. Why? Because Remy is white…” WOW, you sound sooo ignorant! Have you ever been to New Orleans? Dude, the majority of the population is of Minority descent! Even so, its just a comicbook character! Its not like I’m casting a film on Ronald Reagan!
” If you want more racial diversity in your comic heroes, they should make more heroes and apply these cultures to them rather than steal a previously established character.”- WOW, after you just admitted that the land that you very so lay on, is stolen! LOL! Plus the Angelina Jolie character in ‘Wanted’ was initially of a minority group! LOL!
” Why was the LotR cast mostly European actors(and Aussies)? Could you imagine American accents in a fantasy setting? Lol” That daggone ‘LOL’… Anyways, I know that Sean Austin is American, so what are you trying at? Its not like a thespian (meaning an actor) could take voice lessons. Plus your stupid… go comment somewhere else because race wasn’t even the premise in my article… Like I said, I’m trying to help users become better fancasters… you and EpicMan don’t see that… shame.

On minority being played by majority: Well, Angelina did it… its not like I can stop it… But, I always give my challengers this analogy: Would you take from a poor man? Would you steal from the homeless? So why take the little minority characters that we have in the movie world?
ROMACK
ROMACK - 9/26/2011, 2:51 AM
@bigshow- I really like your "All Black Casts" to be very honest. The main reason is that in them is some very original thinking. The other reasons are that your picks are usually very good and your layouts are beautifully done. I wish things were not how they are in this world. I do not think you are a recist. I think you are a man who is proud of his heritage and is unflinching in his convictions about that. I admire that a great deal.

I am a white man married to a Mexican woman(not Mexican-American). When people ask me..."Oh is she Hispanic?" I reply "Nope! She's Mexican." because I am as proud of her and her heritage as she is(if not more). We have three children together. One looks very white, one looks Mexican, the other looks mixed. One is very proud of their entire heritage(They refer to themselves as a Scotch-Irish-Mexican), one is very proud of their Mexican heritage, the other doesn't embrace any of their heritage at all and even shuns their Mexican heritage a bit. Yet we raised them all the same way.

Our media is so saturated with bias and bigotry, and we are so ignorant as a species that we still wage war on one another for things like race, religon and oil. I fear that it is so deeply ingrained into the psyche of the people of this world that when it all comes to an end we will still be killing each other over it.

What you do increases awareness of the underlying bias in some people. Maybe once they see that they will try to change it. I admire what you do, and how you stand by your convictions. So keep up with the "All Black Cast" fan fics. I like them.
EpicMan
EpicMan - 9/26/2011, 8:37 AM
@EsseX I couldnt have stated it any better. We try to reason with... nahh nevermind, no point. Ignorant is Ignorant illustrated by the Casey Anthony pics.


@BigShow Hmm..... you forget to post pictures of OJ you racist. LOL.

Essex you speak the truth!
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/26/2011, 11:29 AM
@EpicMan

Are you serious?? OJ?? He’s in prison now. What’s your point? Hell, I’ll post pics for you to stimulate yourself:





Casey Anthony killed her daughter, with evidence, and got away with it. Troy Davis was the assumed killer of a police officer, no evidence, and was executed. OJ, recently, got robbed and decided to go take his stuff back- got caught-sent to jail. Put yourself in their shoes, stupid.
That shows me how much you know about whats going on outside your xenophobic hut! The Troy Davis and Casey Anthony case happened in 2011, stupid. Next time, come with some hardcore facts if you want an argument- not just dense and unsupported opinion.
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/26/2011, 12:04 PM
@ROMACK

Sorry man if I didn’t reply to your post before my assail on Epic/Essex… I’m beginning to think that either these two are the same ppl or Walmart accidentally sold computers to 2 conservative trash talkers

Anyways, I really appreciate the love, man. I think if the support, understanding, voting, rating, commenting and recognition from you guys weren’t present, then our work would ultimately be in vain (Im glad we’ve caught some attention). We keep doing these so that CBM.com would wake up out of the conformist mind-set it is in and to entertain you.

What you said about your family was really deep… I feel like, ‘wow bigshow-you should do an all brown (latino) fan cast next’… but I don’t wanna come off as a greedy business man… I have a question though: how do you manage 3 kids+fam, work and blogs?

I feel obliged by your compliments! Thanks
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/26/2011, 12:38 PM
@EpicMan

bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 9/26/2011, 12:40 PM
" The parole board in the state of Georgia spared a convicted killer from execution hours before he was due to die by lethal injection on Thursday and commuted his sentence to life in prison. The Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles made its decision less than three hours before Samuel David Crowe, 47, was to be executed, according to a spokeswoman for the state's prisons. "After careful and exhaustive consideration of the requests, the board voted to grant clemency. The board voted to commute the sentence to life without parole," the parole board said. Crowe's death would have marked the third execution since the U.S. Supreme Court lifted an unofficial moratorium on the death penalty last month. Crowe was not present at the parole board hearing in Atlanta. He had already eaten his last meal and was preparing to enter the execution chamber at the prison in Jackson, Georgia, Mallie McCord of the Georgia Department of Corrections said. In March 1988, Crowe killed store manager Joseph Pala during a robbery at the lumber company in Douglas County, west of Atlanta. Crowe, who had previously worked at the store, shot Pala three times with a pistol, beat him with a crowbar and a pot of paint. Crowe pleaded guilty to armed robbery and murder and was sentenced to death the following year. "David (Crowe) takes full responsibility for his crime and experiences profound remorse," according to Georgians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, an advocacy group, who welcomed the board's decision. At Thursday's hearing, his lawyers presented a dossier of evidence attesting to his remorse and good behavior in jail, according to local media reports. The lawyers also said he was suffering from withdrawal symptoms from a cocaine addiction at the time of the crime. The U.S. Supreme Court on April 16 rejected a challenge to the three-drug cocktail used in most U.S. executions, which opponents claimed inflicted unnecessary pain. Georgia then conducted an execution on May 5. Georgia has executed 41 men since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1973 and this week it had 109 prisoners on death row." - Reuters
ROMACK
ROMACK - 9/26/2011, 2:42 PM
@bigshow- My kids are 18, 16, 14 and are pretty focused and disciplined for their age. I don't do Facebook or Twitter. My hobbies are Comics, Movies, CBM and working out. I am not on CBM as much as some people, but try to hit the highlights everyday.
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