STAR TREK 4 Writers Detail Their Scrapped Plans For Chris Hemsworth's George Kirk Return

STAR TREK 4 Writers Detail Their Scrapped Plans For Chris Hemsworth's George Kirk Return

Original Star Trek 4 writers Patrick McKay and J.D. Payne have opened up on the version of the movie that was set to see Chris Hemsworth return as George Kirk for a team-up with Chris Pine's James T. Kirk.

By JoshWilding - Oct 18, 2022 07:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Trek
Source: Esquire (via SFFGazette.com)

Patrick McKay and J.D. Payne went from writers with no official credits to the showrunners in charge of Prime Video's The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. However, they also wrote a version of Star Trek 4 for The Defenders director S.J. Clarkson. Similar to seemingly every other iteration of that sequel, it never became a reality, though losing this one stung.

Why? Well, it would have seen Thor: Love and Thunder star Chris Hemsworth return as George Kirk, the father of Chris Pine's James Kirk. The team-up is one that left fans salivating over the storytelling possibilities, though it's believed Paramount Pictures not paying key cast members - primarily Hemsworth - what they wanted was the biggest issue here.

"I would love to tell you about it," McKay told Esquire (via SFFGazette.com). "We worked on a couple of ‘Star Trek’ movies. The one you’re asking about would have been the fourth in the franchise, reuniting Chris Hemsworth and Chris Pine."

"The conceit was that through a cosmic quirk in the ‘Star Trek’ world, they were the same age. It was going to be a grand father-son space adventure - think 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade' in space. We were really thrilled about it."

McKay added that they had created an "original villain" for Star Trek 4, saying the script had "a really cool '2001: A Space Odyssey'-esque sci-fi idea at the core."

"We worked on it for two and half years with Lindsey Weber, our non-writing executive producer on 'Rings of Power,' and an amazing director, S.J. Clarkson," he continues. "The movie eventually fell apart and it really was a heartbreak for us...we would have loved to make that movie."

Of course, we're sure many of you are curious how this team-up happened when George's death in Star Trek was definitive and a huge part of James' journey. Well, it wouldn't have broken canon!

Payne explains, "There’s an episode of 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' called 'Relics; where they find Scotty, who’s been trapped a transporter for a couple of decades, and they’re able to have cool adventure with him. Our conceit was, 'What if right before the Kelvin impacted with that huge mining ship, George Kirk had tried to beam himself over to his wife’s shuttle where his son, Jim Kirk, had just been born? And what if the ship hadn’t completely exploded - what if it left some space junk?'"

"Think about when you send a text message and you’ve typed it out, but you haven’t quite hit send. On the other side, they see those three little dots that someone has typed. It’s like the transporter had absorbed his pattern up into the pattern buffer, but hadn’t spit him out on the other side. It was actually a saved copy of him that was in the computer."

"So the adventure is that Chris Pine and the crew of the Enterprise have to seek out the wreckage of the ship that his father died on because of a mystery and a new villain. In the ship, they stumble across his father’s pattern," Payne concluded. "They beam him out and he has no idea that no time has passed at all, and that he’s looking at his son. Then the adventure goes from there."

That sounds brilliant, and we can't quite believe it didn't happen. Since then, Paramount has considered versions of the movie from Quentin Tarantino and Noah Hawley, while it looked like WandaVision director Matt Shakman would be the one to helm the project for a time.

Then, he jumped ship to Marvel Studios to direct the Fantastic Four reboot. As a result, Star Trek 4 still has no release date.

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GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 10/18/2022, 7:04 PM
"That sounds brilliant"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
GoldGuy
GoldGuy - 10/18/2022, 7:05 PM
Sigh. We could have had it all...
dracula
dracula - 10/18/2022, 7:08 PM
Last time star trek tried to go all 2001, we got the motionless picture

Would they have done it better
Dredd97
Dredd97 - 10/18/2022, 9:08 PM
@dracula - TMP is great lol
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/18/2022, 9:28 PM
@dracula - Hey, Star Trek the Motion Picture while slow...was visually great and wasn't a bad story.

However, The movie is much better if you apply the story from Shatner's book Star Trek: The Return.

That makes it very interesting.
dracula
dracula - 10/18/2022, 7:10 PM
Got to wonder how they would explain it

We saw him as he rammed into nero’s ship, nothing around to save him
captainireland
captainireland - 10/18/2022, 7:23 PM
@dracula - was thinking the same. We see him literally thrown from his chair towards the screen with no indication that he was in the process of trying to transport himself, because he was just sitting in the chair talking to his wife right until the moment of impact.
LilJimmy
LilJimmy - 10/18/2022, 7:35 PM
@captainireland - well see what happened was as he’s flying through the air, he reaches out and tries to teleport himself out. We see this moment recreated in slow motion…..when the crew finds him, he’s in the Superhero landing pose. When he looks up at Kirk he says “Hey son. What took you so long?”.
Spoken
Spoken - 10/18/2022, 7:17 PM
Oh dear GOD! That is absolutely terrible.

It's like the writers didn't even watch the first film and see him get FLUNG right into the damn viewing screen he was watching before his death.


No wonder why they wanted more money, the script sucked. I always thought they were going with the Mirror Universe for this idea....not get inspired by a tongue in cheek cameo from TNG...sooooo glad this was not made.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 10/18/2022, 8:30 PM
@HWestRE420 - Yeah, he had to manually fly the ship.

Plus, later in movie, transporting people is difficult, especially when moving and takes Scotty and Chechov - both Martha geniuses - time to calculate how to do it.

Yet, they are proposing Kirk Senior managed to beam from one moving ship on to another smaller moving ship while under attack and firing missiles to save shuttles PLUS to top it all off, he did it one handed while flying his ship in the other
Knightrider
Knightrider - 10/18/2022, 8:30 PM
@Knightrider - mathematically* not Martha.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 10/18/2022, 7:25 PM
Would it really be that difficult to use the Nexus? It worked as a plot device for Generations and I could imagine that a younger kirk who has issues growing up without his father might see him in the Nexus, pulling him out and there you would have your reason for George Kirk. Give Jim a reason to leave the Nexus (to save his crew) and bring in a decent villain (since I don't think we want to do Soran yet).

Alternatively remake Generations but with a Kelvin Verse TNG crew and crossover with the Classic Kelvin Crew (Minus Chekov unfortunately) and I'm sure that would make a buck or two.
seismicblast
seismicblast - 10/19/2022, 4:13 AM
@BobGarlen - An easier solution would simply use a Guardian of Forever. Let's say an older Admiral George Kirk was to save humanity in the future, so a time traveling villain commands a Guardian to go back in time on a mining vessel and kill George in his youth. However the Guardian deceives this villain during the battle and tosses a portal around George Kirk as he is jettisoned into space. Thus due to the Guardian's influence instead of killing George he is simply removed from the timeline for a few decades.

George arrives in the future with the memories of time travel implanted in him by the weakened Guardian and with it he becomes the Guardian's defacto avatar in Jim Kirk's era. Thus they go on a hunt to rescue the Guardian, kill the time traveler bad guy and install George Kirk into his rightful place in history as the leader who saves humanity from some sort of unforeseen space disaster/invasion/revolt. Thus Chris Hemsworth gets some justifiable screen time!

BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 10/19/2022, 8:22 AM
@seismicblast - yeah, that's better. Sounds like it would fit the Kelvin timeline perfectly.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 10/18/2022, 7:30 PM
Still hoping this comes together. I’m a fan of the Kelvin films and they have a killer cast. I’d like to see another.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/18/2022, 7:47 PM
@MrDandy - I love the Kelvin films. They made Star Trek cool again.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 10/18/2022, 8:30 PM
"It’s like the transporter had absorbed his pattern up into the pattern buffer, but hadn’t spit him out on the other side. It was actually a saved copy of him that was in the computer."

I'm like 53% sure that was a Next Generation episode. Probably with Riker.
QuietStorm
QuietStorm - 10/18/2022, 8:40 PM
How would they explain how swole he is now though lol
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 10/18/2022, 9:06 PM
A better idea would be 'Star Trek: Depends' featuring the Star Trek The Next Generation crew.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/18/2022, 9:12 PM
They need to use some of that great time travel, change in the space time continuum, Star Trek stuff to find a way to reboot the Paramount+ shows and put is back on track after the original Star Trek TNG.

Everything they have done since the launch of Discovery has been terrible.
Dredd97
Dredd97 - 10/18/2022, 9:13 PM
that could've been interesting, if done right. but honestly, they've done it before and better. That Scotty episode is gold.
I'd love to get Trek back to the thoughtful, philosophical, Shakespeare quoting franchise it once was. It used to be on a different level and now its like every other lame sci-fi franchise. I loved Strange New Worlds, and hope the stories are on their way up
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