William Shatner Brilliantly Defends Modern STAR TREK Against Elon Musk

@HistoryofMatt - Came here to say this. lol He's not "owning Elon!" he's actually owning modern Star Trek. He even made fun of the fact that the latest Captain needed glasses. As if near or far sighted issues wouldn't be totally fixed by this era. We can fix Geordi's eyes, but get this idiot Captain some bifocals! 😂 How absurd. Also apparently Spock was lying when he said Klingon's can't cry. 😂 They've destroyed Star Trek because they neither love nor care about it. Shatner even offered to take over the franchise for them. He'd do a sight better than them. (pun intended)

@PerfectOpinions - Yeah well, we shouldn't be focusing on other planets until we fix ours. That should be common sense, but here we are.

@JackDeth - just satellite technology by itself is the heart of climate change research.. we wouldn’t have known without that data..

@PerfectOpinions - LOL, but the reason why people in Star Trek are able to go to space is because they worked to better themselves. Not by finances. Not by starving out people through classes of poor vs elite, but by working to build a better humanity.

Granted Vulcans did travel to the planet and were the first to make first contact with humans...but again this was post WW3...in a time where everyone is still on the edge and everyone is still using money. So now, just because "south africsn man" wants to go to space, where does he get said "money?" Are we at a time where we do need to go to space to explore what?

We're closer and closer to a reality similar to Alien than we are to Star Trek.

@PerfectOpinions - Nope, just look at TOS. They didn't start exploring space until they had their own shit figured out. They fixed the UN, then moved on to the UFP. That's the order things should be done in.

@Irregular - A lot forget the timing and cast details of ToS.

WWII was still in living memory for anyone over 21yrs old, internment of Japanese Americans including those who had been serving in the US military up until Pearl Harbor was still in living memory (and one of the main cast a victim of it), the 64'civil rights act and voting rights act of 65' had only just passed, the cold war was very much still a thing and you had a bridge crew with a Russian, a Black comms officer, Asian helmsman and the FIRST pilot a female first officer (which was considered a step too far thus a second pilot ordered).

So a LOT of very MAJOR RL dark withing the prior 25yrs plus whilst the space race was a source of a lot of positivity and the cast couldn't have broken more barriers than it did in what now would be considered DEI without being fully scrapped (faced some regional bans for it as it was).

Yes modern Trek has had some darker tones at times when dealing with the canon past in prequel form and a future major disaster of apocalyptic levels but STILL mostly framed Starfleet as a force for peace, positivity, hope etc most of the time. They simply had to show more of the darker times/aspects of their canon as memory faded of the holocaust etc for that progressive ideology of the show to still resonate anywhere close to how the original show did (there can be no light without dark as they say).

As an aside find it funny the issues some have with including fat characters, one is half Klingon and ALWAYS been overweight looking Klingons by human standards since ToS ended, the other is a fricking holographic creation who could theoretically have any body shape so an easy way to include a larger cast member in a future where there shouldn't be much obesity if any. Likewise some wearing glasses has been a thing since the original show, even Kirk had a pair in the films and the character wearing them is 420yrs old for fricks sake. Let's not forget even Shatner had weight issues at times during filming of the original series and ToS films.

TLDR Trek is no more 'woke' now than it was when it first launched, if anything breaks less social barriers than it did originally. Has it changed over the years in various ways (for good and bad) sure, but had to move with the times just like any show and for every Star Trek Discovery that had a lot of issues we've had a Strange New Worlds considered by most into Star Trek great (bar the odd meh episode but every series has had those including ToS).

@Clintthahamster - no, you are just insane and your brain has deformed into bad faith as a first response

@PerfectOpinions - Come on, dude, you literally said "fixing africa" wasn't worth the impact it might have on the development of rocket ships. What's a good faith way to interpret that?

@Twinkie - Oh, snap, I wasn't responding to you, but to @perfectopinion who I guess has blocked me now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, I think you and I are on the same page. The space program is a perfect example of science for science' sake, and is an excellent use of public funds. I have no beef with Musk (or Bezos, or Branson) for pursuing advances in space travel (other than the ways in which Musk in particular disregards environmental concerns across the board.)

That said, I maintain that it's unconscionable for someone like Musk to amass even a fraction of the amount of wealth that he's currently hoarding. His net worth has DOUBLED from ~400 to ~800 billion dollars in the past year. He could liquidate 90% of his wealth and personally end world hunger for decades, and STILL have more money than any one person could spend in a lifetime.

@Twinkie - you sound ridiculous speaking like what you think liberals believe in goes for anyone on the left side of the political spectrum. The things people like you try to speak into existence may be true for the radical left but that is more a vocal minority that does NOT speak for most.

Im sure my comment wont make much difference to you though as you easily show yourself to be someone much more concerned with right vs left than right vs wrong

@Clintthahamster - that’s just getting in the weeds. I’m not mixing things up, those sentiments were already shared in this exact thread by yourselves:

“We need to fix the earth first before we spend money on space”

And

“Why spend money on rockets when there are starving children”

I didn’t separate NASA from private venture because you guys didn’t separate it first.

They arent nebulous projections from a right-winger casting everyone as a far left communist.

You guys said those things. Right here. Today.

I’m done with this one, I think I’ve listened and I feel secure in what I’ve said. It’s something everyone on the left should look inward about, it’s not a good change for your platform, it’s one of the good ideals you shouldn’t abandon.

I’ll read your reply if you feel the need to respond, I would like to compliment you for being mature, considerate, and patient.

@Twinkie - "those sentiments were already shared in this exact thread by yourselves"



All's I'm saying is, if there's a choice (which I know there's not) I'm going to choose "feed the poors" over "rocketship to Mars." But the real answer is, por que no los dos?

@Twinkie - You lost me at liberals... Someone always, always, always goes politickin on this site. I always wonder what the prize is exactly? I guess a good troll is it's own reward.

@Twinkie - A list. Lovely. 1, didn't know, that came later. 2, I like Bill Shatner so I was curious what he actually said. 3, I read and respond to many different comments...not just the political ones. 4, I don't look I scroll down. 5, I wasn't triggered...I'm generally just disappointed, but I know not everyone sees the world as I do. It's called discourse.

It seems you went through each step with the usual vitriol and, thought I was making a point here logic some here do without thinking it through.

And, in closing you closed it out with the "I know you are but what am I" closing insult.

Yes...you made your point. Truly, a credit to your race. Also, Justin Bieber, huh? GTFOH lmao.

@Fogs - These kids want to be important, they just aren't.

@dracula - Some people clearly have their heads in the sand.

@TK420

How old are you guys

@Termin8r - You believe what you will. But it only shows ignorance on the broader scenario.

@TK420 - Yeap. The "older generations had it made" was really painful to read. Dunning-Kruger at its best.