RUMOR: THUNDERBOLTS Won't Feature [SPOILER]; Kevin Feige May Add Deadpool & Wolverine To AVENGERS 5

RUMOR: THUNDERBOLTS Won't Feature [SPOILER]; Kevin Feige May Add Deadpool & Wolverine To AVENGERS 5

We have some big MCU rumours to share with you today, including news on a character who won't be in Thunderbolts next year and Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige's shifting plans for Deadpool and Wolverine.

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By JoshWilding - Feb 15, 2024 11:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Thunderbolts

Following delays caused by the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, Thunderbolts is finally gearing up to begin production. In fact, despite a couple of cast members publicly wondering if it will ever actually happen, scooper Daniel Richtman says pre-production begins next week ahead of filming in March.

Despite speculation that the team will assemble to battle The Sentry and Red Hulk, Richtman says Harrison Ford's "Thunderbolt" Ross isn't in the movie and has nothing to do with the plot.

Does this mean the Thunderbolts aren't even named after a character we expect to see become President in Captain America: Brave New World? It would be odd if they aren't, but then again, Ross is expected to transform into a rampaging Hulk! 

It's added that Yelena Belova, The Sentry, and Val are at the centre of the story and there are no plans, despite speculation, for Thunderbolts to be R-Rated.

In other news, following the release of the record-breaking Deadpool & Wolverine trailer, Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige is supposedly mulling over new plans for the titular duo. Impressed by what he's seen from the movie, he's considering adding Wade Wilson and Logan to Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, despite the previous idea being to save them for Avengers: Secret Wars.

We'd take all of this with a pinch of salt for now, but it's food for thought at the end of what's been an exciting week for the MCU.

Thunderbolts' confirmed cast members include Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, Florence Pugh as Yelena Boleva, Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes, David Harbour as Red Guardian, Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent, Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost, Olga Kurylenko as Taskmaster, and Lewis Pullman as The Sentry. 

Written by Eric Pearson and Lee Sung Jin, and directed by Jake Schreier, Thunderbolts is currently set to be released in theaters on May 2, 2025.

As for Deadpool & Wolverine, it stars Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Emma Corrin, Morena Baccarin, Rob Delaney, Leslie Uggams, Karan Soni, and Matthew Macfadyen. 

Shawn Levy directs from a script written by Ryan Reynolds & Rhett Reese & Paul Wernick & Zeb Wells & Shawn Levy. The movie arrives in theaters on July 26, later this year. 

Finally, when it comes to Avengers 5/Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, Michael Waldron is said to be rewriting the movie after it lost director Destin Daniel Cretton. For now, it remains on track to be released on May 1, 2026, though we'd be shocked if that doesn't change.

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HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 2/15/2024, 12:02 PM
Kevin isnt thinking of doing that.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 12:04 PM
Honestly, it would be pretty funny. This whole multiversal saga was clearly designed to "fix" the past by focusing on diversity. So them ultimately relying on two white men to save their franchise is just hilarious. 🤣
JonC
JonC - 2/15/2024, 12:07 PM
@Origame - "This whole multiversal saga was clearly designed to "fix" the past by focusing on diversity"
...what?
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 2/15/2024, 12:10 PM
@JonC -

Don't engage. This weirdo is obsessed with culture war topics. Literally a child head. His brain is melted🤡
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 12:10 PM
@Origame - Kind of a nonsensical statement 🤔
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 12:15 PM
@JonC - ...do I really need to point to all the examples of projects no one cares about being made simply because of pandering and "muh representation"? This isn't new.

Panderverse anyone?
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 12:18 PM
@Izaizaiza - how is it nonsensical? Pretty straight forward.

They deliberately focused on diversity viewing "too many white men" as a problem. Now they're relying on two white male characters (Deadpool and wolverine) to save their failing franchise.

Or are we at the part where you guys are gonna insist they weren't doing that 🙄

https://youtube.com/shorts/W1hf9Hukxkc?si=1Cvzq64g27_r0_Be
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 12:20 PM
@JFerguson - feige even said he wasn't gonna let 4 white people star in the fantastic four and his goal for marvel was to get specifically half of the superheroes as women. Stop acting like they haven't been trying for diversity before.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 2/15/2024, 12:21 PM
@Origame - You are aware that the only entries that focused specifically on the Multiverse Saga have been No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Loki, What If..., and the very end of The Marvels. The "diversity" projects you seem to be disgusted by were all 616 based storylines that were grounded on Planet Earth.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 12:21 PM
@Origame - Black Panther?
AvalonX
AvalonX - 2/15/2024, 12:22 PM
@Origame - Post that video of all the marvel writers saying they ignored the comics along with Disneys (illegal) DEI requirements. They dont want to hear it. Its a religion to them. Imagine if they just all turned out to be the racists they claim you are...
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 12:25 PM
@Origame - Oh, there has definitely been an attempt to add diversity, which is a good thing. Some of them have been good (Black Panther 1&2, Ms. MARVEL, Moon Knight), others have not been good (The Marvels).

What is clear though, is your fragility. 🤷🏻‍♂️
JFerguson
JFerguson - 2/15/2024, 12:27 PM
@Origame - what the hell are you talking about? They got 4 white people. Even ask your good buddy Superawesomespecialguy, I’ve seen him intricately plot a picture on previous threads that Pascal is a white Latino man.

Also, Feige never stated anything you mentioned you false advertisement. Respectfully, you have brainrot
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/15/2024, 12:50 PM
@Origame - the bots cant seem to get out of the "it's not happening" stage
DTor91
DTor91 - 2/15/2024, 1:08 PM
@Origame - it’s easier to just say you’re a loud and proud racist on every article and move on with your life.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 2/15/2024, 1:14 PM
@Izaizaiza - "which is a good thing" we have one mediocre film that was over praised to shit, the rest of the films that tried pushing the same sh1t turned out to be sh1t, deny it all you want but you can't deny the general audience's opinion has shifted, it took some time but we're at that point now and the blame land's Disney's insistence to hire egotistical activist's over competent writers. Where's the "good thing" again? you don't have to look like someone to find them relatable, Blade didn't need to be white or Asian for people to enjoy his films, why do they pretend we never lined up to watch films staring Actors like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, these creatives have it all backwards and their doing the opposite of bringing people together.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:45 PM
@SonOfAGif - ...you are aware all phase 4-5 movies are in what marvel themselves call the multiverse saga, right?

And dude, I'm disgusted by the terrible writing that came about because they prioritized diversity instead of stories worth telling.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:47 PM
@Izaizaiza - thats one of them.

And no, by itself it's not a good thing. It's just a thing. But focusing specifically on that instead of things like acting, directing, and writing isnt.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:52 PM
@AvalonX - it's definitively racist. It legit excludes white people and men for no other reason than they're white and male, and it implies these groups legit need franchises that were made successful by white men in order to get anywhere.

George lucas had to work his a$$ off making star wars, to the point he had to take money out of his own pocket to finish the first two.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:53 PM
@Ryguy88 - apparently...
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:55 PM
@DTor91 - funny, because I grew up in the 90s. Back then we had a term for this. It's called tokenization. And it was a practice viewed as racist in and of itself.

So when did the definition of racist change to include not wanting box checking over good products?
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/15/2024, 1:57 PM
@Ryguy88 - Some are just scared of speaking up.
The others are just going along with the narrative, makes them feel special and better than the rest of us.
I'm glad I and others see the truth.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 1:59 PM
@AvalonX
@Ryguy88
@HashTagSwagg

Thanks for the support. I swear, these people would rather see this franchise burn then realize their ideology was the problem.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 2:01 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Well, we certainly have had some mediocre/bad marvel films. Ant Man 3 and The Marvels come to mind. Both were bad because of bad writing.

I know that the extremely insecure, embarrassingly fragile, small dick white snowflakes out there claim that films flopped because of "woke", but they are conveniently ignoring that Black Panther 1&2, Barbie, etc did well while Ant Man 3 was the third film in a franchise with a predominantly white, male cast. Also seem oblivious to the fact that the most recent mission impossible tanked.

The film industry is going through massive changes, and far more people are watching films at home. Are there showcasing a diverse cast that are bad? Sure, it's called bad writing. Are films clumsily pushing some agenda, any agenda, annoying? Sure. It's called bad writing.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 2:08 PM
@Origame - Let point out exactly where your logical flaw happens: "focusing specifically on that INSTEAD of acting, directing and writing".

Literally nobody is saying that having a more balanced, realistic representation replaces what makes a good film good. I've said many times, The Marvels sucked because of bad writing and uninspired direction, not because of inclusion. The three leads did a great job with the shit they were given. The excellence of Black Panther and the Ms. Marvel Disney+ shows that shows that specifically showcase diversity can be excellent and highly successful.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 3:05 PM
@Izaizaiza - it objectively does. When it comes to writing and directing you're lowering the pool of available writers and skill is inevitably going to need to be sacrificed. Hence us constantly getting no name writers and directors more concerned with preaching than story.

As for acting, in order to get minority superheroes, they have to either scrape the bottom of the barrel for characters no one actually cares about or race swap which only angers fans because they want their character adapted accurately.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/15/2024, 3:53 PM
@marvel72 @Origame - it's funny they call us racist but then defend the premise that not being able to identify or empathize with someone of a different race then them somehow ISNT racist.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 3:55 PM
@Origame - I mentioned two characters: black panther and Ms. Marvel. Two popular characters.

Of course, you always want to pick a writer who can do the source material justice. Should a white writer have been picked for Black Panther or Ms. Marvel? Would they somehow have better insights into the characters? Bisha K. Ali did a great job with Miss Marvel. Coogler and Cole did a fantastic job with Black Panther. While white Jeff Loveness gave us absolute garbage in Ant-Man 3. Diversity doesn't mean less qualified.

Marvel used the Disney Plus platform to try out shows of lesser known characters, many from diverse backgrounds. That seems like an absolutely appropriate way to approach this new format, especially since the main criticism of the MCU before that is that the movies were getting generic, had the same tone and mostly starred a white guy named Chris.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/15/2024, 3:57 PM
@Izaizaiza - your definition of "woke" seems to be the strawman version of it. To say that a movie is woke merely because it stars a non white male character is absurd and I dare you to find 1 person who thinks like this.

I know you can argue your point without being disingenuous at the same time. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 4:08 PM
@Ryguy88 - Well, let's be honest...there is no real definition of "woke". If I'm being honest, I'd say that it originally (and still, to some degree) means "Aware of social injustice". I'd say now it has moved to mean "Anything that makes painfully insecure white men uncomfortable, or an issue that right wing do nothing culture warrior politicians use to mobilize their base".
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 4:09 PM
@Izaizaiza - no, that's one popular character. Black panther. If Ms marvel were popular, you'd think that her show would be successful, or her appearance in the marvels would at least give that movie a boost for opening weekend. But nothing. Also, I didn't say there weren't good popular characters. But in the pursuit of diversity it's inevitable you're gonna need to choose the unpopular ones because it's a limited pool.

Also, what's wrong with black panther being written by white people? The comics were literally created by white people. And again, no one watched Ms marvel. But even taking that point into consideration, it's not saying talented minority writers and directors don't exist. But it's a much smaller pool of talent to draw from. Hence why you only named the two. Remember, she hulk exists too. As well as the marvels, black widow, the eternals, and so on.

And all that did was flood the market with bad shows and no means of sifting through what was needed to understand the movies.

And dude, come on. Are you genuinely telling me people found fault in them mostly starring white guys named Chris? Ffs, most people now want those chris' back.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 4:39 PM
@Ryguy88 - exactly. I genuinely can't believe the massive inconsistencies they miss in this ideology 🤣
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 2/15/2024, 4:45 PM
@Origame - Dude, the Ms. Marvel original comic broke selling records, and I have say, is one of the best mainstream comics I've ever read. That said, I won't say the show did great, because its viewership was poor. Which does blow my mind as it was a great show, and Loki is absolute dog shit.

The Marvels was a bad film, and the MCU definitely lost its momentum after endgame. Not surprised it did poorly. My point was rolling the dice on lesser known characters wasn't a bad move, even if the quality/success was hit or miss.

I never said that there is anything wrong with a minority character being written by white people. I said that there is also nothing wrong with it being written by someone of the minority group that the character belongs to...and that that person, obviously, will have a perspective that a white writer most likely will not. Diversity does not mean less qualified.

"Hence you can only name two" C'mon man, stop with the logical errors. First, I named three, and second, I named the writers associated with the specific characters WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

Did you want to talk about She Hulk, or Eternals, or Black Widow? I have thoughts about all of them.

Are you genuinely telling me that over the years you never read all the criticism of Marvel just showcasing "Handsome white guys named Chris"? Regardless of what you are I might think of that criticism, it was there.

Only one of the Chris's is gone. We still have Pratt and Hemsworth. Thor...another franchise ruined by bad writing.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 5:24 PM
@Izaizaiza - 1) yeah, the original comic that marvel made a big push for and changed the status quo for an established comic marvel was adapting into the mcu. First issues establishing new characters into a franchise like marvel often sell well because of collectors are hoping the story becomes more important and the comic goes up in value. But when the comic goes through its run and people realize what it actually is like that gives the full impression of what people think. And guess what/ Ms marvel keeps having its runs canceled. Not only that, but again, the show failed and her theatrical debut failed. She isn't popular.

2) and the show failing didn't put the thought in your head that people just don't give a sh!t about her/ Ffs.

3) that is a bad move when it's almost exclusively new characters.

4) and I never said there was anything wrong with it being written by a minority. I'm saying you shouldn't limit yourself to only minorities. Why is this so hard to grasp/

5) no. You only gave 2 examples of good minority led properties. You even mentioned how you listed two superheroes.

6) well what are your thoughts on those/ I'd love to hear.

7) ...not as a genuine criticism. I heard people joking about marvel keeps hiring chris'. But never someone genuinely having a problem with marvel hiring good looking guys named Chris. Because people are looking at the acting and seeing good performances that fit the characters. They don't care about the race, gender, or name of Chris.

8) nope. 2 of the chris' are gone. Evans after endgame, pratt at the end of guardians 3, while stating there are no plans and he has conditions for if he were to ever return. Also, Hemsworth already showed frustration with the last Thor movie probably won't return.

Also, funny you should mention Thor 4 had bad writing when it was written by waititi. And do I really need to tell you he isn't white/
AvalonX
AvalonX - 2/15/2024, 6:40 PM
@Origame - Because they would have to look in the mirror and admit they legit hate other people who are either different then them or they disagree with. That must be an awful place to be in. Imagine a world where liberals who were war hating, pot smoking, hippies are now the most tight ass people you would ever meet. Then imagine they are fighting some imagined culture war generated by the people they used to hate. DEI is spearheaded but the largest, 1% companies on the planet. Blackrock is led by a white guy as is Disney. Corporate america is suddenly noble and backed by the left? Congratulations idiots.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/15/2024, 7:59 PM
@Izaizaiza - I feel like you have a lot of hatred towards people about this subject, just going on your comments here.

The term woke did indeed originate from those who are now mocked for being woke. It's a classic self own. Thats what you get when those only communicating with people within their own protected bubble try to put their untested and ilogical views out into the wild.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/15/2024, 8:04 PM
@Izaizaiza - "Diversity does not mean less qualified."

Diversity, as in the D in DEI, means that diversity is prioritized over quality. You can sometimes get lucky and have both, but that's not the goal of DEI. Is discriminatory, regressive and probably illegal.

Diversity is great, but DEI diversity is bullshit.
TwinkleToes
TwinkleToes - 2/15/2024, 8:41 PM
@JFerguson - Don't drink and post.
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