LOKI EP On Whether Season 2 Finale Impacts Future Plans For Jonathan Majors' Kang

LOKI EP On Whether Season 2 Finale Impacts Future Plans For Jonathan Majors' Kang

Did the season 2 finale of Loki pave the way for Jonathan Majors to be replaced as the Multiverse Saga's big bad? The show's executive producer weigh in...

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By MarkCassidy - Nov 13, 2023 09:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Loki

Season 2 of Loki concluded with Tom Hiddleston's God of Mischief Stories fulfilling his "Glorious Purpose" as the new guardian of the Multiverse, but where does that leave the former Man at the end of Time, He Who Remains, and, more importantly, his Variants?

Ever since actor Jonathan Majors was arrested for felony assault, there's been speculation that Marvel Studios might be putting plans in place to replace Kang the Conqueror as the big bad of the Multiverse Saga, and Loki (seemingly) having borderline omniscient abilities could give them an out.

Executive Producer Kevin Wright was asked if the finale "could affect how (and if) we might see Jonathan Majors' Kang the Conqueror in future Marvel projects" during an interview with EW.

"I'm going to tread probably infuriatingly lightly, but for me — and I know all the filmmakers agree — we think everything is there on screen. I think all the details are there, and there is a lot that people haven't picked up on, or haven't fully understood what is being said. The key to the future is in that conversation with Sylvie, and this doesn't necessarily undo any of those threats. In my mind, it's what Sylvie said: 'At least give us a chance. Let us fight that battle for ourselves and define our own destiny.'"

It sounds like, in Wright's mind at least, that (Secret?) war against the Kangs is still on the way - although the mention that there are things people have yet to pick up on is interesting.

Rumors are once again doing the rounds that studio intends to "pivot" away from the Kang-focused arc, but we'd assume nothing is set in stone just yet. Should Majors get convicted, that could change very quickly.

Loki season 2 "promises new excitement as it thrusts the infamous God of Mischief into a new set of adventures with the TVA."

The series stars Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Wunmi Mosaku, Eugene Cordero, Rafael Casal, Tara Strong, Kate Dickie, Liz Carr, Neil Ellice, with Jonathan Majors, Ke Huy Quan and Owen Wilson.

Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead, Dan Deleeuw and Kasra Farahani will direct all six episodes.

The head writer is Eric Martin. Kevin Feige, Stephen Broussard, Louis D’Esposito, Victoria Alonso, Brad Winderbaum, Kevin R. Wright, Tom Hiddleston, Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead, Eric Martin and Michael Waldron are the executive producers, with Trevor Waterson serving as co-executive producer.

All six episodes of Loki season 2 are now streaming on Disney+.

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LordHarryLatts
LordHarryLatts - 11/13/2023, 9:40 PM
So even the showrunners assume the audience didn't fully understand all the crappy time travel gibberish.
IPfreely
IPfreely - 11/13/2023, 10:22 PM
@LordHarryLatts - I was about to say the same thing.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 11/13/2023, 11:33 PM
@LordHarryLatts - thsts not what he said lmfao.

You're proving him right.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 11/13/2023, 9:43 PM
Sounds like Sylvie was talking about MCU.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 11/13/2023, 9:44 PM
Kang is a goner. At the very least he will be a henchmen. He won't be the big bad.
Madman
Madman - 11/13/2023, 10:17 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - definitely saw an extra ‘o’ for a second 😂 Kang’s a WHAT?! 👀
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 11/13/2023, 9:45 PM
Recast kang. It's not like they didn't done that before.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 11/13/2023, 9:53 PM
@Gabimaru -


It's not just the casting that's the problem. He just isn't menacing enough. We don't have alpha Kang and he hasn't done anything truly evil. He got beat by ants😑....



Feige has ran into the problem of having too much success with Thanos and people comparing the infinity saga to the multiverse saga.


It's just not fair but that's the way it is.



Feige miscalculated thinking he can scale down after giving us endgame epicness. He thought he can delegate and sit back and relax.😳


I'm glad feige has cancelled projects and is scaling back. He is course correcting and one of the main things he will do is replace Kang. 100 percent.
StSteven
StSteven - 11/13/2023, 11:05 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - Hey hey hey, I think that you're underestimating the potential threat and downright evil that aunts can present. I mean, trust me, if you ever met my Aunt Judy, Aunt Tracy, Aunt Harriet, and Aunt "Wacky Jackie" (whoo-boy!), you'd have some idea of how truly menacing aunts can be. I mean, what they do to your cheeks alone, with all the pinching and shit! And have you ever seen "A Christmas Story"?!? (Rereads above comment...)

*Ahem* Nevermind. Carry on.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/14/2023, 12:03 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - I think Feige miscalculated how important Captain America and Iron Man were to the MCU. And not just them, but the Avengers as a whole.

The Avengers movies were the threads holding the main storylines down. They were the most important movies in the MCU because something serious and world-altering always happened in them.

Without the Avengers films, it's felt pretty disjointed. And we have nothing to play that role. Loki would be the closest thing. Everything else has just been telling solo stories that don't seem to be pushing any overall narrative.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/14/2023, 12:52 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - getting beat by ants is an extreme oversimplification. Kang is just a man without time. I would argue He Who Remains conversation with Loki showed just how scary and calculated Kang's can be.

A Kang without time still ruled the quantum realm
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/14/2023, 3:51 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - all they did was pick weak villain for fans should have picked annilias , or skrulls,
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/13/2023, 10:00 PM
If Majors is found guilty,then Disney will move on from Kang.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 11/13/2023, 10:14 PM
@marvel72 - I kind of think this is where we’re at

All of the narrative about weak Kang getting beaten by ants misses the greater opportunity.

If Feige can position Kang Prime as nigh on unbeatable, even by a multiversal teamup armada, this would serve as an ironic counterpoint to the ways in which Timely and The Conqueror went out

Majors showed you with his portrayal of HWR just how formidable he has the potential to be
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/14/2023, 12:10 AM
@SauronthePower - There's also no way The Conqueror died in Ant Man 3. He got pushed into a "dimensional engine" or whatever they called it. He obviously got sent to another timeline or somewhere else out in space.

I'm sure he was going to return even more powerful. I kind of like the rumor that he would return as The Beyonder for Secret Wars.

But there's absolutely no way we saw the last of him. That might change now, with all the court drama coming. But I doubt the original plan was for Kang to die permanently in Ant Man 3.

And let's be honest. All the people comparing him to Thanos? Thanos didn't do shit until Infinity War. 10 years of movies and all we saw him do was sit in a chair and bark orders at Ronan, and put on the Infinity Gauntlet that had no stones. We also know he made the weird decision to give away one of his stones to Loki so Loki could bring him a different stone. Obviously Feige hadn't worked out that the staff was the mind stone yet and that got changed later. But still. The point is, Thanos did nothing before Infinity War.

So they took a different approach, showed this big bad in action, he got beaten, and was going to return even more powerful. I'm not sure I see the problem with that plan.

But now I'm not sure we even will see that plan come to fruition anymore.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 11/14/2023, 1:09 AM
@CorndogBurglar - all well stated

The line ‘we had a bit of a hiccup in a 616 adjunct room’ makes me think that tie-in is still there

Would make no sense to pivot away when they could have just excised that line far more easily in editing
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/14/2023, 2:30 AM
@CorndogBurglar - exactly. Thanos had just a few small, if not confusing, appearances. Kang can still happen, and imo Doom can as well.

I do think they need to lean more into McGuffins though. The rings, the bangles, the TVA handbook and maybe another Eternals/Celestials related thing. They do a lot of working setting up a villain, without having to go into a villain themelves.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/14/2023, 7:18 AM
@bkmeijer1 - In my personal opinion, not only can Kang and Doom both work, but they can both work in the same story.

If Doom were to get introduced soon, and then have him in Secret Wars, he could be fighting alongside the heroes to stop Beyonder-Kang. But he would of course have his own agenda and at the first possible chance they could have him turn on the heroes and steal Beyonder-Kang's powers. Then he could take the stage as the real big bad.

I don't think this will happen, though. And I'm not sure it should. I think they should stick with Kang as the big bad, whatever final form that looks like. But, Doom and Kang could both work of they wanted to do it.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/14/2023, 8:25 AM
@marvel72 - How long until he gets a verdict?
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/14/2023, 8:53 AM
@JustAWaffle -



Maybe end of the month.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/14/2023, 9:27 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I could see that work in Kang Dynasty to be honest.

Kang Dynasty could end with Kang winning and throwing all the Avengers on Battleworld, only for Doom to step in and deliver the final blow (i.e. rip out his spine Thanos-style) before Kang himself can go to Battleworld himself.

Secret Wars can then opem with all the Avengers expecting Kang, but it's actually Doom as the God Emperor now. And if they're going with Beyonder, I think it works just the same.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 11/13/2023, 10:23 PM
Well the trial is set for 11/29/23. So I guess we will see what Marvel chooses to do before the end of the year. I'm praying for a honest but great outcome for Majors. But if they had to recast it wouldn't necessarily be too difficult. It's now or never honestly.

As for Doom being a big bad for Secret Wars? Very possible but I feel as if it'll be too soon. Would we really want Doom's first appearance to be God Emperor Doom or should/would the character have enough time to flesh out before 2027?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/14/2023, 12:13 AM
@TheRationalNerd - If Doom is their fallback villain for Secret Wars then they need to introduce him, asap. You can't just have him show up in Secret Wars. We need to already know who he is and what he's all about before that happens.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 11/14/2023, 12:19 AM
@CorndogBurglar - Totally agreed. Had he been teased in Wakanda Forever it would've slightly helped but to just have him pop all of a sudden is a bit absurd. BUT...Loki popped up in Thor and was an Avengers level threat in the same phase so I guess the same could be done here. I just doubt he'll show up in F4. And F4 is 2025, now way they're doing it that quick.
Order66
Order66 - 11/13/2023, 10:25 PM
Just recast him. You did it with banner rhodey and Ross. Just pull the trigger if you have to. Don’t write out Kang.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/13/2023, 10:52 PM
"I'm going to tread probably infuriatingly lightly, but for me — and I know all the filmmakers agree — we think everything is there on screen. I think all the details are there, and there is a lot that people haven't picked up on, or haven't fully understood what is being said. The key to the future is in that conversation with Sylvie, and this doesn't necessarily undo any of those threats. In my mind, it's what Sylvie said: 'At least give us a chance. Let us fight that battle for ourselves and define our own destiny.'"
micvalpro
micvalpro - 11/13/2023, 11:13 PM
Make Samuel Jackson a variant of KANG and let him play a new bad ass character.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 11/13/2023, 11:49 PM
@micvalpro - Oooor... give us Immortus, an older Kang variant, played by this guy:
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/14/2023, 8:24 AM
@SethBullock - OooooohooooohooHOOOOOO. That’s a solid idea.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 11/14/2023, 8:47 AM
@SethBullock - The only time I can remember him playing something like a villain was Training Day, and he KILLED that role. I would love to see him take a crack at an older Kang.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 11/13/2023, 11:44 PM
He is so good as He Who Remains. Best version of Kang. Such a shame shame all this happened for many reasons. I think it is inevitable that they recast or drop the arc. I still think the multiverse angle gives and easy excuse to recast and John Boyega is still the best pick to take over. The dude is insanely talented and stuff like Breaking shows he has the gavitas for the role.

Wish Major could stay but if he did the things he is accused of, they have options to move on while maintaining some integrity.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/14/2023, 12:55 AM
I really don't know where they go with the next avengers movies. I dont think anyone wants Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars to be infinity wars and Endgame but bigger but there's no chance of Kang losing to the avengers
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/14/2023, 2:34 AM
@MyCoolYoung - with it being a sort of two-parter finale to a saga, I think there is a fair expectation for them to be of epic proportions.

Think they should've had Kang Dynasty as a Phase capper and Secret Wars as one with two or three years between them instead if they didn't want them to be this big.

Will Kang lose? Unless Doom steps in at the last second, another Kang (i.e. the Beyonder) will take the place of the Kang standing at the end of KD.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/14/2023, 4:12 AM
@bkmeijer1 - that would be a good one. The way I see it is it ends similarly to how crisis ended on the CW with the world's being destroyed and certain heroes and villains being spared
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/14/2023, 9:18 AM
@MyCoolYoung - that's my expectation as well. Kang Dynasty probably ends with a lot of incursions, which sees one character (Kang, Doom, Beyonder, or whoever) to throw everything together on Battleworld.
cubrn
cubrn - 11/14/2023, 4:03 AM
I'm not understanding why Kang needs to be dropped or recast to begin with. All the evidence I've read about concerning his legal case involves minor injuries pertaining to him prying her fingers off of his property that she wouldn't let go of. I'd do the same thing if somebody refused to give me my property back. It's not as if he just beat the ever loving crap out of her like Chris Brown did to Rihanna and who never suffered professionally for it.
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