OBI-WAN KENOBI Writer Andrew Stanton Explains Why Working On The Series Could Be A Frustrating Process

OBI-WAN KENOBI Writer Andrew Stanton Explains Why Working On The Series Could Be A Frustrating Process

Wall-E director Andrew Stanton has opened up on his time working on Obi-Wan Kenobi, explaining why heading to that specific corner of the Star Wars Universe could be a frustrating process for him...

By JoshWilding - Nov 06, 2022 05:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Source: io9 (via SFFGazette.com)

Andrew Stanton is a two-time Oscar winner who is might be best known for helming movies like Finding NemoWall-E, and John Carter. In recent years, he's also helmed episodes of TV shows like Better Call Saul, Legion, and For All Mankind, though was enlisted as a writer on the final couple of chapters of Obi-Wan Kenobi

Stanton's name being in the Star Wars series' credits was definitely a pleasant surprise, and he's now opened up on what it was like to head into this iconic Galaxy Far, Far Away. 

"That was the blessing and the curse of it," he told io9 (via SFFGazette.com) during a recent interview. "It’s like one, you’re geeking out that you get to type ‘Vader says’ this and ‘Kenobi says’ that. You pause and say ‘I can’t believe I’m actually getting paid to type this. I can’t believe these words may be said.’"

"But then another part of you, it has to go through such a rigorous like ‘Does that fit the canon?’ And I feel like it’s bittersweet. [The reason that happens is] because people care, but it also kind of doesn’t allow, sometimes, things to venture beyond where maybe they should to tell a better story. So it can sometimes really handicap what I think are better narrative options."

"And so I was frustrated sometimes - not a lot - but I just felt it wasn’t as conducive to [the story]," Stanton admitted. "So I love it when something like Andor is in a safe spot. And it can just do whatever the heck it wants...I got some moments in there that I’m very happy with."

It's interesting to see the comparison with Andor here, but one that's not overly surprising. After all, while that show needs to hit a couple of specific beats - such as Cassian meeting K-2SO for the first time - Tony Gilroy and his team are able to tell that story however they like, all while building their own history by exploring the Rebellion's formation. 

Obi-Wan Kenobi, on the other hand, had to tread carefully in order to avoid contradicting anything we saw in the original Star Wars sequels. That may have been a little frustrating at times for Stanton, but he and everyone else who worked on the Disney+ series managed to pull it off in a convincing fashion. 

All six episodes of Obi-Wan Kenobi are now streaming on Disney+.

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Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 11/6/2022, 5:02 PM
Good show. Need to rewatch it.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 11/6/2022, 5:06 PM
@Gmoney84 - it got a lot of weird, unwarranted hate. After tRoS, many were ready to pounce regardless of what the next project was.
TocharianMonk
TocharianMonk - 11/6/2022, 5:16 PM
@thewanderer - not really unwarranted. The show was hot garbage. Legitimately some of the worst writing and directing I've ever seen. Alot of fan films are better than this.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 11/6/2022, 5:23 PM
@TocharianMonk - it really wasn’t.


And let’s not start pretending that Star Wars has ever been the epitome of quality writing.
kylo0607
kylo0607 - 11/6/2022, 5:47 PM
@Gmoney84 - I really liked it.

Rewatched it 3 times so far.

That being said, Andor seems to have a much better production design, which is shocking and the least I expected from an Andor show vs fricking Obi-Wan Kenobi.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 11/6/2022, 6:12 PM
@thewanderer - I think that's not the point. The point could be that this was just a dumb show.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 11/6/2022, 6:13 PM
@thewanderer - Clearly that's false, because a lot of people have liked Mando, and Andor, as far as I've seen. Maybe they just pounced on something they thought was dumb as bag of hammers. I think TBOBF and OWK can fall into that.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/6/2022, 6:47 PM
@thewanderer - There’s this odd phenomenon where fans dismiss all criticism of a product they like as being illegitimate.

Some good reasons the show was disliked:
1) It felt tacked in and unnecessary. It really didn’t add anything to the lore other than maybe a tacked on reason that Obi Wan told Luke that Anakin was dead.
2) Other than the final battle, Obi Wan made really stupid decisions and was really lame throughout.
3) Leia was annoying, every scene of her running away from adults was cartoonish, and even more cartoonish was the smuggle her out under a coat scene.
4) Reva was dumb. A youngling that survived the attack on the temple has potential, but they wasted that when she worked for Vader hunting down Jedi. Kind of destroys her entire character motivation.
5) Obi was supposed to be protecting Luke and abandoned him in favor of going after Leia. Organa could have had any of a number of resources help
him with that.

There’s more too. If you liked it fine. But don’t pretend that criticisms of the show are unwarranted.
GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 11/6/2022, 7:00 PM
@mountainman - good points. It was really a crappy show.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 11/6/2022, 7:08 PM
@GreedoSarducci - this just proves my point..

You can have criticisms, but thinking it’s a “crappy show” just shows you were inclined to hate it no matter the content.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/6/2022, 7:43 PM
@thewanderer - Weird how you responded to the person that agreed with me but failed to address my points.

I think Obi Wan had more hype going into it than any other Star Wars show so far. That would counter your argument that people were biased against it before it aired.

The fact is that there were problems in many people’s eyes.

Personally I want good Star Wars content. Let’s get more stuff like Rogue One, The Mandelorian, and Andor and less stuff like all the other Disney Star Wars content that has come out.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 11/6/2022, 10:03 PM
@thewanderer - Or they think it's bad enough to warrant it. You don't decide otherwise.
Origame
Origame - 11/7/2022, 4:43 AM
@mountainman - exactly. People were going into obi wan feeling it was the last saving grace of the franchise. This really isn't a matter of unwarranted hate.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/7/2022, 9:19 AM
@Origame - Is there some unwarranted hate? Absolutely. This is Star Wars we are talking about.

Very rarely is anything from this franchise met with universal acclaim.

But let’s be real. There are legitimate complaints too.

You don’t find it odd that productions like The Mandelorian and Andor have near universal acclaim while Obi Wan and Episodes 7-9 didn’t?

Expectations for established characters play a part. But so does writing quality.

We really need to enter an era where people can have balanced discussions around likes and dislikes without it turning so toxic. We probably won’t, but we should.
Origame
Origame - 11/7/2022, 9:36 AM
@mountainman - yeah. While I do feel like there's toxicity in Fandom nowadays, it's mostly not where people keep saying it is. It's mostly not in blindly hating something for whatever reason. It's sheeple mindlessly praising a product and taking any criticism against it as some offensive attack.

Like come on. No one is misogynistic or racist for not liking reva in the obi wan show. And it's a valid complaint to not like her importance to the story when we came to see obi wan and vader.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/7/2022, 10:23 AM
@Origame - Entertainment has become tribalistic much like most things. And the ability for social media, message boards, and YouTube to make opinions easily shareable with algorithms that promote hive mind thinking have made it worse. With entertainment specifically, everything has to be the best thing ever or worst thing ever. No middle ground of nuance.

Overall I didn’t like Obi Wan, but there were pieces that I did. I like a lot of the smaller characters these shows are introducing. I like character moments that exist in shows over movies. But I just don’t like sloppy writing and acting.

Honestly the OT wasn’t some epitome of writing and acting, but it did what it did well. I didn’t like the prequels when they came out but i’ve come to appreciate their ambitious nature over time.

I didn’t like the prequels, but found parts of 7 & 8 that worked.

Maybe I’m the wrong kind of Star Wars fan. The only live action screen adaptations that i’ve ever fully liked are the OT, Rogue One, Mando and Andor. Most of the rest of it has been ok at best.

But so many good video games, books, and other stuff. It’s. really cool universe with inconsistent execution.

mountainman
mountainman - 11/7/2022, 10:25 AM
@Origame - Oh to Reva. She could have been cool. A youngling that survived Order 66 and wanted revenge on Anakin. Super neat story. But why on Earth did she work for Darth Vader hunting down Jedi for so long? That kind of destroys her entire character motivation.
Origame
Origame - 11/7/2022, 10:37 AM
@mountainman - not to mention disney was feeding that behavior. Like sharing that they warned the actress about online harassment, sharing some messages she got (which weren't even that bad from a harassment perspective let's be honest), and just a constant stream of articles all basically calling the star wars fans terrible.

Also, for reva, the reason she didn't work is because she's a rip off of a similar inquisitor in the game jedi fallen order. The second sister was brainwashed into believing the jedi abandoned her, and that's why she hunted them. So the concept makes so much more sense under that context.

In fact they ripped a lot off of that game. Just play fallen order. It's basically the obi wan show if everything they did actually made sense.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/7/2022, 11:00 AM
@Origame - I don’t have a ton of time for games these days. I have heard that one was good.

Maybe I can watch the story summary on YouTube. Isn’t that story cannon to modern Star Wars? I know Disney has a tendency to take stories and characters from the old extended universe and adapt but it seems odd to borrow from something that is canon.
Origame
Origame - 11/7/2022, 11:08 AM
@mountainman - it is Canon. And honestly I'd say just watch the cut scenes online.
GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 11/7/2022, 1:19 PM
@thewanderer - calling it crappy is exactly that, my criticism. It was badly written, looks cheap and felt like a waste of my time. In other words, it was crappy.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 11/6/2022, 5:07 PM
There wasnt enough material to stretch it to a show. Should have just been a movie instead with episodes 5 and 6. Or maybe there was enough material but not competent writing. Also curious as to why a legacy character like Obi Wan was given a lower budget. Andor's production quality, dare I say looks better than all the Disney Star Wars shows combined.
TocharianMonk
TocharianMonk - 11/6/2022, 5:15 PM
It's frustrating because you can't write you schmuck. Idk how a series could be this bad, ruined almost every og character. Doesn't fit into continuity at all.
Fogs
Fogs - 11/6/2022, 5:17 PM
This was so bad.
But Boba Fett was worse.
SirDuckAlot
SirDuckAlot - 11/6/2022, 5:26 PM
This show was a complete mess. It's not hard to tell a great story while fitting it into Canon. This writer seems lazy as hell.
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