Are Wonder Woman´s Villains Naff

A look at Wonder Woman´s villains, how they might really be crap, and why Gina Carano is moreso a worse idea than that of Batfleck. Who should be cast as Wonder Woman? Hit the jump and read on.

Editorial Opinion
By aresww3 - Oct 08, 2013 01:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Wonder Woman
Source: ComicBookMovie.com

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aresww3
aresww3 - 10/8/2013, 1:32 PM
Yeah they suck and Gina Carano was born to play Wonder Woman.
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 10/8/2013, 1:57 PM
Are you arguing with yourself?
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 10/8/2013, 1:59 PM
@yoss

naff
adj. Chiefly British Slang
Unstylish, clichéd, or outmoded.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/8/2013, 2:00 PM
No I just was predicting the kind of answers I´d get :)
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/8/2013, 2:44 PM
manofreal - i won´t lose sleep yankdoodledoo
6of13
6of13 - 10/8/2013, 2:48 PM
Gina Carano for Artemis.

I was thinking the exact same thing about the accent earlier today and I agree, she should not have an American accent.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 10/8/2013, 4:33 PM
I don't think Poison works thematically with WW, and some of these rogues sound similar in their motives. but good video anyway.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/8/2013, 5:35 PM
@martianabomination - I actually don´t mind when people change or tweek villains origins as long as the core stays the same. Villains are devices for the story. Its when they start switching up the heroes origin that pisses me off.

@RobGrizzly - I agree, but I would very much always use or at least mostly use Dr. Poison as a secondary villain. I have her as a him in my script and he is a CIA Scientist who went turn coat. He is a genius who specializes in Chemical Weapons and has no issue testing dangerous biochemical weapons on live human subjects and is being used by Ares in a dastardly plot. He´s basically a sexual sadist marscerading as a scientist whose method of torture is releasing these specialized chemical weapons on test subjects and clinically observing their affects. He also has a bit of an issue with cross dressing. But this is for a film, in comics, I would take a very different approach.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 10/8/2013, 6:47 PM
they dont suck, she has 2 good villains worth using, hades and/or ares, i'd also consider big barda a wonder owman villain, that cheetah chick, who I can never remember the name of
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 10/8/2013, 8:44 PM
Good point about range and villains. BUT, go to Marvel and check out Iron Man. He's got even less than Wonder Woman, and he doesn't have superpowers.

BTW
You sound like you REALLY need to get some sleep, man.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/8/2013, 8:54 PM
Batfleck is much worse than Carano. While Affleck is a mediocre actor, he is completely unconvincing as an action star. I admit Carano is not a stellar actress but in her movies thus far they have worked around it hilighting her action scenes.

Wonder Woman has secondary adversaries that just need a good story. The rogue Amazons from "the Cirlce" Veronica Cale and Osira could all be developed into interesting villains.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 12:17 AM
Thanks for your replies. i fell asleep, but i´ll answer you fangz later
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 12:33 AM
and since I see her as being like this knight of truth, always trying to see thru the world to it's real essence...I immediately think she wouldn't be comfortable with Batman at all.

she would see what drove him, and she would respect him and she would recognize the pain and hardship he had to go thru and that his choices in life were the best he thought he could make to maintain control over himself and the world.

but ultimately, she would know that nothing good would come from the sources that he was tapping into. that at the core, Batman was self destructive and obsessed with order over peace and nature.

so I would imagine she would be able to work with him, but would kind of always have a distaste for doing so. or be apprehensive about the consequences that he was invoking upon the world."

@Fangz - I never thought of it like that, but that interpretation of their relationship really interests me. I think you get the character really well. That sense of wise warrior is exactly who I think she is.

I guess with Batman and Superman I´ve always seen a mutual respect with her and they should play of the differences between the 3 more. I actually figured she wouldn´t like either of their methods and they wouldn´t necessarily like hers, but they come to repsect it and see its value. She would never torture, never beat someone up to get information, she would always try and settle things with Peace first, and she is much more trusting and willing to give her villains an opportunity to change than Superman or Batman. But then if forced she is willing to kill. So there is tthe key difference. But it really is if forced, not the bullshit Geoff Johns is doing these days. I want this to remain paRT OF HER MYTHOLOGY because it makes sense, but at the same time its so misused by writers who can´t see how that subtely differentiates her from Supes and Bats. It´s a last last resort, but only when she sees the life of innocents on the line or a major threat to the world, would she result to such methods.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 10/9/2013, 8:02 AM
@MAC
I like to see it as:
Supes: Hope
Bats: Vengeance
Wondy: Truth
Affleck is a great actor, people just don't give him credit. 2010 on, he's been great
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 10/9/2013, 8:08 AM
@manofreal
Favourite
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Avengers Assemble
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School uniform
The bobbies
Bloody hell
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 10:12 AM
Affleck has been a solid actor, but not a great one and its no slant on him but I really don´t think I can ever see him as Batman. He will have to pull a Ledger on me where he is absolutely nothing like he usually is. I mean even as Bruce Wayne, he´s gonna have to not be Ben Affleck. Really. Heath had the paint to help him Ben won´t. That´s the issue, not that he´s a bad actor. It would be like Joseph Gordan Levitt playing Batman or I don´t know George Clooney playing Batman :( oh yeah they did that. George Clooney is no bad actor but he could not play Batman in a billion years and people need to stop with the excuses that it was bad directing, yeah the film didn´t help, but Uma Thurman didn´t come off half as bad George Clooney and even worse Arnold Schwartnegger. Why, because she actually played the character. As absurd as it was.

@MA -

Superman - Justice
Wonder Woman - Peace
Batman - Vengence

He´s a dark avenger. I know people try and say his mission is beyond vengence, but come on Batman delights in the fear he instils in badguys. In fact he´s obsessed with it.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 10:20 AM
Superman - The heavens (battles the gods who wish to squash us ants Darksied, Braniac, Lex Luthor)
Wonder Woman - Purgatory (Battles the violence and intolerance and the inherent corruption that is a potential within us all, The Nazis, God Of War, Genocide, Cheetah)
Batman - The Underworld (battles the demons that crawl out of the underworld The shadows, The Joker, The Riddler, Killer Croc, Ras Al Ghul The league of shadows)
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 11:56 AM
@MAC - So right. One agree with Pandora absolutely, also Lilith and other such characters, that are based on greek and ancient myth. But you have to have a really strong angle I think to add them. Pandora can´t just be a mystic or witch etc Same with Lilith. For instance I´ve given Ares a new origin. I think staying to close to Greek Mythology or ancient mythology is a mistake. If your gonna use the characters you have to make them your own and give them an organic relationship to the hero.
6of13
6of13 - 10/9/2013, 1:59 PM
I would like to see Ares as the villain in a WW film. I had this idea about Ares as a way to link to another member of the Justice League before the Justice League is formed: What if Ares was a white Martian? Ares is aggressive, militaristic and warlike. The white Martians are aggressive, militaristic and warlike. Ares is the Roman god of Mars. So, perhaps he is a white Martian who came to Earth during ancient times to find war because of a period of peace on Mars. I definitely want a WW film to be faithful to the resource material, but I thought making Ares a white Martian might be an interesting way to link to the Martian Manhunter.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/9/2013, 5:49 PM

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aresww3 - 10/10/2013, 3:27 AM
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aresww3
aresww3 - 10/10/2013, 3:44 AM
@6of13 - Sorry, but Ares a White Martian? Just think about that a second. No. I also really don´t think Martian Manhunter should be from Mars. I know, I know silly right, but I´ve written a story about this and alot of people who are big MMH fans think its a cool idea. He crash lands on mars from another gallaxy, causing our first mission to mars, when we find him there in a stasis, we think he´s actually from Mars, but Dr. Erdel the scientist behind the mars mission knows better. Jónn is actually from a star system in which two planets are inhabited by intelligent species. One named "Ma'aleca'andra" with Green humanoid with telepathic and other varying abilities, which is a much more hospitable planet and the other which is far more technologically advanced, but also far more hostile, harsh and cold enviroment inhabited by the Imperix a locust like intelligent life form that are kind of like space pirates. They wipe out Jónns people, but Jónn escapes on one of their scout ships and travels at light speeds through the galaxy coming crash landing on Mars.
There´s more to it, but basically that´s how the story transpires.
I just think being from Mars is not what is essential to that character. Its more about him being the only true being alone in the universe and surviving the tragedy of planetary wide genocide. Being from Mars works for him well in comics but in film he could do with a far more scifi edge to him. I really don´t think it will hurt the character at all and I think he can still be called Martian Manhunter as a code name because of how he was found. Or just The Manhunter.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/10/2013, 10:17 AM
@mac - My screen gets cut off and the only way I can change it is posting a comment or I can´t read what others are saying.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/10/2013, 10:24 AM
@MAC - Cheetahs a funny one for me, because on one level when I saw her first I thought thats just really silly, but on another level she has actually grown on me. But I maintain when you have Ares, Dr. Psycho, and Alkyone, why would you put Cheetah as the poster child of wonder womans villains. Its just not that smart a play. Ares should be her Lex Luthor or Joker. That simple. But I still maintain she is a valid villain, more on the level of Killer Croc or Man Bat style of villain. I think people don´t take her seriously mainly because she´s associated with being wonder woman´s main nemisis which is crazy to me.
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 10/10/2013, 9:48 PM
Howdy all,

Casting WW is a futile effort to govern from fans. That's truly up to the director and/or producer.

Ya'll are correct on how a villain is used on whether they become a principle nemesis or secondary.

Lilith (from scripture) was the first woman created by God, like Adam, from the Earth. She failed God and was cursed to forever see her children suffer and die over and over. God then created Eve from Adam's rib. Lilith is cursed much like Maddusa. Being created from Earth(Clay), she is a direct polar opposite to Diana(old origin) which could be significate in a story. Lilith was cursed while Diana is blessed.

BTW, I like Gina and hope she can improve herself to be more acceptable. Hey, wouldn't she make a great Big Barda? Just a thought.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/11/2013, 2:35 PM
@MA - cool idea for cheetah. I´m going with the fur but I havent thought it through yet.
@jcow - thats what i was thinking about Lilith and further, the connection with being to independent for men and being punished for it could be fascinating as a wonder woman villain. adam wouldn´t accept her so she´s punished by god. the only problem is the judeo- christian element to her story, but I think there are earlier versions of the myth that can be drawn on.
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