More From Chris Claremont On Future X Movies, Hopes To One Day See An X-Men/Thor Cross-Over!

Well on a reality note...

That'll NEVER happen until we stop funding FOX's pockets and stop going to see their weak a$$ movies... I don't wanna h8 the X-MEN franchise but they've [frick]ed it up so much its impossible to like it...

CROSS-OVER action would be awesome, we need EVERYTHING back at Marvel Studios where they belong for that to happen!


So far we have Punisher.

its not gonna happen all the while fox has got the rights,it'll be a dream come true when the "house of mm" have all there properties back under one roof.

but its gonna take time for that to happen.

Brilliant article, Ror ;)

But personally, i can't "fully" agree with his statements on fans vs the creator/writer. The reason being that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No one can say we're right or wrong because tastes are personal. I mean, Frank Miller's a huge Spirit fan, does that mean we should take his word for it and embrace that pile of garbage he directed? I think not. I get where the man's coming from but in the end, he's not buying us the books, we're paying him to make them. And in regards to the film adaptations, "essence" is definitely the first aspect that should be respected but there is a lot more to comic books than the mere essence of the characters. The established continuity is responsible for the preservation of that essence in the sense that if certain things happen before they should, then it changes everything and everyone involved. It can still be very enjoyable but if they don't think things through it's a slippery slope that can get as slick as a butt where everything can go spiraling out of control and head straight for the gutter in no time. Some get lucky like in the case of The Crow, V for Vendetta and Constantine but most of the ambitious productions that completely disregard the source tend to quickly turn to shit. Take Superman Returns for an example. I was able to enjoy the film very much yet there was a definite switch in the characters' essences when they introduced the super kid. And that "switch" happened ONLY because they ignored the source material. I'm not saying that they should religiously follow the 60 years of established continuity in their film adaptations, just don't jump the gun... regardless if the "creator" is okay with it. I think Ironman 1 is a perfect blueprint to follow IMHO. It took some and left some but what it took was crucial to the characters' essences and that's definitely the way to go.

@ comiccritic87

1990 their was tpb called "x-men the asgardian wars" written by chris claremont.

it collected x-men & alpha flight 1 & 2,new mutants special edition & x-men annual 9.

Cheers Shaman, ands nah I don't fully agree either. But I don't think he's saying that its black and white, the creators opinion is infallible. I think he just means that if someone who gave birth to these characters can look past the changes made in adaptation then the fans should be able to too. That I do agree with. Although some changes are unnecessary/silly, to be honest there haven't been to many CBMs so far that I think have gone to far in that regard. We have had bad movies yes, but aside from a handful I don't think that many have stepped over the adaptation line.

It won't happen and if it dose it will suck becouse it's fox

Great job Ror! I'll be open Fox screwed up X-men bad. Real bad. But if Thor is awesome it could give way to some X-men awesomeness. X-men has such a rich comic history and could be done so well with the right story. I mean, I figure First Class is going to suck, but once that is all over maybe, just maybe with all the great comic movies out there, the X-men will get their second shot and be done right.

@LEEE wishful thinking, but who's to say they don't bring Cable into First Class (a little like they keep saying it has parallels to Star Trek)- that would be the perfect way to keep the timeline of the previous X-movies and spin to something fresher and less of an obvious re-boot

the poster next to the old man, thats the movie id like to see!! [frick]ing un [frick]ing canny [frick]ing x-men!! id be happy with a cartoon movie

.... Then Wolverine really set things back in terms of continuity and general quality, although I did enjoy elements of even that film. People like Lee are disappointed that they are not getting the full reboot adventures of DoucheClops and his high school buddies. And that disappointment turns to bitterness so that they can't just wait and see what the film is like. Thats fine. But what we are getting with First Class is a real Silver Age movie with some, imo, great actors playing some great characters. Not the characters everyone wants? Sure. But what the Hell are they supposed to do? make multiple choice films? I honestly think thats the only way some fanboys will ever be happy.

One thing that really annoys me is the fact that there are too many mutants crammed in the movies. I mean if there's no character development or reason for them to be there in the first place than why bother (angel for example)? And I may be nitpicking but it doesn't seem like mutants are a minority in the films. Like the long line for the cure in 3. But before we do tie ins lets hit the existence of mutants first in another marvel film. And yeah FOX shouldn't be doing anymore Xmen films.

Shaman, it is easy to say that every CBM should follow the Ironman blueprint, but that character is so much less complex and easy to establish then the X-men comics who represent 100s of different, diverse character and at least 20 essential characters. And the continuity or storyline has nothing to do with character essence, the essence of a character would be them reacting to a certain situation appropriately according to the characters establish personality from the comics...And Ironman 2 sucked and it wasn't made by Fox and Joe Johnston is directing Captain America so First Class has a much better shot at being good!

i want the X-men in the MCU... now!

Too true, Ror! And great point of view in regards to Claremont's statement. Maybe we should follow his lead. But the thing is, especially in regards to first class, even if he's okay with Havok coming in before Cyclops, interchanging both of them would severely change both character's essences. So he kinda contradicts himself indirectly here. Or... like i've always suspected, maybe Havok really isn't in it and it's just a code name for Cyclops in the end. If so, then i don't care what continuity they would go with because everything would be as it should in regards to the characters' essences. At least the characters i care about. But if it is as what was announced, then Havok would be present only in name and we'll be getting a brand new character with the same powers. And that would be tragic to me since i am a fan of Havok as he's always been. That wouldn't make or break the film for me but i'd still be significantly pissed regardless if i enjoy the film or not. Of course studios can't make "multiple choice films" but before they ever start production, they should really read up on WHAT has made these popular characters who they are in the books, so that their essence can be brilliantly adapted to the big screen. They shouldn't incorporate all of it because they clearly can't within any reasonable time frame, but they shouldn't jump the gun either and re-invent the characters to be something they never were. I thank the stars that i'm more open minded than the average LEEE so that i can still enjoy these films, but i can still fully understand the angry fans' point of view as well.

Ryguy88- You have a point, Ironman's blueprint is definitelly easier to follow when compared to X-Men. But events shape a character and screwing with them changes the character's core essence. The essence is who the character is. And they wouldn't be who they are if their history was drastically changed. What if Bruce Wayne's parents were never killed? Look at how Bruce is portrayed in the books now, after he died and came back. He's relatively the same but much has changed. Dick Grayson himself has had much to deal with taking over the cowl in Bruce's absence. These events are changing the characters into something they never were. Change is good, but not when in form of an adaptation IMO. The term "adaptation" is not the same as "inspiration". What Fox is doing is making a film INSPIRED by the X-Men, but they aren't adapting their books to film. Which is why the films are very different from the books. I understand why and i can accept it to a certain extent but i can still understand why so many are mad at them. And a part of me does agree with them.

@ teois42

right i explain i was using "word play",i was talking about the x-men rights that fox own,it'll be a dream come true if marvel got the rights back.

marvel & disney have joined forces.

disney own a character called "micky mouse".

marvel done a story called "house of m".

combine the two you've got "house of m m"

i thought it was quite clever.

house of m story was alright,quite important story & with all the characters crossover books as well could be classed as quite epic story.

Ryguy88- You are right in regards to what level fans take their expectations to heart. I know i've been guilty of that myself, here and there. Completely pissing on an entertaining and brilliantly filmed movie only because certain details are missing is definitely irrational. I'm just glad it doesn't happen to me often cause man... i'd be one sad puppy LOL. As for Havok/Cyclops... with all the "rumours" going around, and litterally nothing but the cast of the actors being confirmed (not even their roles), all we're left with are uncertainties. From the articles i read so far, it seemed that Cyclops wouldn't be in the film unless if he's extremely young and that Havok would be in the film as Cyclops' older brother. HERE is where it "seems" to be confirmed but actually isn't. So until we do get confirmations, i'm just sitting on the fence ;)

A crossover in a Marvel movie, would b nice to see Onslaught :D

i think fans complian more about how the characters are personality wise and not look wise. wolverine was a softie in the films. he got his a$$ smashed by everyone. that is not wolverine. he is the ultimate weapon, not the ultimate wuss. rogue was a cry baby in the films, that is not rogue. she is a strong woman who demands respect and stands up for herself. perfect example is the 90's cartoon. the stories were not exactly like the comics, but the charcters peronality were.