AVENGERS: Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige Confirms The Team No Longer Exists In The MCU

AVENGERS: Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige Confirms The Team No Longer Exists In The MCU

Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige has confirmed The Avengers are no more in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, suggesting the Thunderbolts will step up to fill the void left by Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

By JoshWilding - Sep 12, 2022 06:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

Marvel Studios' Phase 4 has been a little directionless, with the main complaint from fans being that most of these stories aren't linking up the same way they used to. Much of that can probably be blamed on all the many movies and TV shows we're getting being produced at the same time, something that makes it increasingly challenging to have them all seamlessly sync up. 

As this Phase nears its end with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, there's been no real mention of The Avengers since we kicked things off with WandaVision. Well, it turns out there's a pretty good reason for that. 

There are no Avengers!

Talking during Marvel Studios' D23 presentation on Saturday, Kevin Feige said, "You know, one thing in the Captain America film is that there currently is a world without the Avengers. Sam Wilson finds himself as Cap at a time where there's not an organization of Avengers."

"But just because there's not an organization of the Avengers doesn't mean there's not a group of superheroes in the MCU," he continued. "Not a group, perhaps, as The Avengers but there's a group and they're called the Thunderbolts."

It seems the deaths of Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, and Natasha Romanoff have led to The Avengers disassembling, though Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings suggested Earth's Mightiest Heroes still meet up occasionally. However, with the Thunderbolts set to fill the void left by the team, it appears the MCU is about to get a very different superhero team.

The Thunderbolts is a much different group to the one many fans expected, though, with the roster primarily made up of Super Soldiers and no outright villains. It's an interesting choice by Marvel Studios, and one that could point to the team actually stepping in to serve as a rival team to The Avengers when they assemble again in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.

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5. Hawkeye

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Clint Barton has yet to fully atone for his actions between the events of Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, and if anyone's got dirt on Hawkeye's time as Ronin, it's probably Val. 

The Avenger may have put those dark years behind him during last year's Hawkeye, but the archer's past could still catch up with him! Forcing a beloved Avenger to join her team would be a smart move on Val's part, and it would be a lot of fun seeing Clint forced to work alongside those he would normally be setting out to take down.

Along the way, the original Hawkeye can keep them in check and perhaps even teach his fellow Thunderbolts a few things. The fact Clint has a storied history with the team on the page is also a good indication this is where we'll next see Jeremy Renner in the MCU. 
 

4. Bucky Barnes

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Bucky Barnes is clearly done with being manipulated, so something tells us Val won't be able to force him into joining her Thunderbolts. However, we can see him attempting to be part of their ranks for noble reasons, even if it's just to keep an eye on John Walker and Baron Zemo.

We're assuming the team will be made up villains posing as heroes, but if they are actually anti-heroes and those looking for a second chance, then this group would be a perfect fit for Bucky. He probably doesn't see himself as Avengers material, and we could quite easily picture him leading this team into battle...and butting heads with U.S. Agent, of course. 

There's always a chance there are plans for Bucky in Captain America: New World Order, but Thunderbolts actually feels like a better fit for the former Winter Soldier. 
 

4. The Vision

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The Vision brought back from the dead by S.W.O.R.D. was clearly not the same Vision who died at Thanos' hands five years prior. While Westview's Vision restored his doppelganger's memories, the fact the synthezoid flew off without even checking on Wanda Maximoff indicates he's not himself.

Yes, Vision has his memories again, but with no Soul Stone, we have a feeling his emotions are gone. This would line up with comic books where an emotionless, colourless Vision ended up joining the West Coast Avengers. In the MCU, however, we think it's far more likely the hero joins the Thunderbolts. 

It would be fascinating seeing a Vision who believes he's doing the right thing and has no real response to the lack of morals some of his teammates have. This team-up could help restore who he once was or send him down a darker path...either way, we'd like to find out!
 

2. Moon Knight

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When it comes to a hero who could quite easily be manipulated into joining the Thunderbolts, look no further than Moon Knight. While Marc Spector and Steven Grant may have made peace with each other, Jake Lockley is still out there and could be the personality who ends up kicking ass and taking names lives as part of Val's "superhero" team.

Marvel Studios still hasn't confirmed plans for Moon Knight season 2, and if the character is about to make the leap to the big screen, Thunderbolts may be the place to do it. 

Moon Knight has never been much of a team player, but this movie could serve as a fantastic platform to better explore who Jake is and what this hero's place in the MCU will be moving forward. Marc and Steven believe themselves powerless, remember, so that third personality does seem the most likely candidate. 
 

1. Daredevil

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Between his appearances in Spider-Man: No Way Home and She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, it's clear Marvel Studios has big plans for Daredevil. Echo is believed to be next for the Man Without Fear, while it's already been confirmed that he'll take centre stage in the 19-episode Daredevil: Born Again

Given when that series is set to arrive on Disney+, we think it's probably unlikely that Matt Murdock will be part of this team. However, we do think he would be a fun addition to the group, especially as his morals are likely to be far stronger than many of the other members of this group.

It's the character interactions that would be the most fun, though we would love to see Daredevil brought back to the big screen as part of a team as important as this one. If not Thunderbolts, though, fingers crossed there are plans for 'ol Hornhead in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars.
 

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DCasAhobby
DCasAhobby - 9/12/2022, 6:43 AM
Can't wait!! 🔥🔥🔥
lvcl
lvcl - 9/12/2022, 8:51 AM
@DCasAhobby -
Thunderbolts' line-up has no frontline or interesting character.

After seeing the crap of Eternals and Thor 4, and the poor quality of the TV series, I think the time has come to throw in the damn towel until Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars

DCasAhobby
DCasAhobby - 9/12/2022, 11:47 AM
@lvcl - neat opinion
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 9/12/2022, 9:58 PM
@lvcl - I said this before. The MCU will consist of micro teams going forward. The Thunderbolts (Anti-Hero government taskforce), Young Avengers (Young Avenger fanatics who team up to fill the void left by the Avengers), Midnight Sons (Wong's Supernatural warriors who combat spiritual and mystical threats), The Defenders (Street Level heroes battling Fisk and his corruption).
marvel72
marvel72 - 9/12/2022, 6:53 AM
So they broke up like The Beatles.
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 7:56 AM
@marvel72 - half of them died and one of them retired. Not to mention Thor went to space. So the avengers would literally just be hulk now.

Why wasn't this obvious?
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 8:02 AM
@Origame - he's quoting a line from infinity war
inkniron
inkniron - 9/12/2022, 8:17 AM
@Origame - Not to mention the hulk is unreachable, Wanda’s gone off the deep end, Strange has his own drama and Spider-Man‘s persona non grata. I thought it was pretty obvious
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 8:18 AM
@Vigor - ...so?
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 8:22 AM
@inkniron - hell, strange wasn't even formally an avenger (unless they were going by defenders logic where if you helped the team you're a member).

But on top of that stark industries is struggling with the legal issues from financing spiderman's mishaps as seen in no way home, so they aren't gonna fund a hypothetical new team.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 9:16 AM
@Origame - he's making a joke. I know sense of humor is foreign to you
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 9:24 AM
@Vigor - ...what do I have to openly laugh at it in text? It's called trying to have a conversation. I know that might be a foreign concept for you, but a joke can be followed by talking.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 9:26 AM
@Origame - your response to marvel72 was as if you took him seriously. As noted by your comment "why wasn't this obvious?"

Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 9:28 AM
@Vigor - no, I was actually agreeing with him, because I knew he was joking. I'm basically saying, "but seriously, why wasn't this obvious?"
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 9:30 AM
@Origame - gotcha! My bad
Origame
Origame - 9/12/2022, 9:31 AM
@Vigor - no problem.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 9/13/2022, 10:42 PM
@Origame - Maybe because they keep contradicting themselves by implying things like the Avengers rejected She-Hulk. :)
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 9/13/2022, 10:44 PM
@Origame - Spiderman technically never had any dealings with Stark or the Avengers since that was all erased.
Origame
Origame - 9/14/2022, 4:21 AM
@ComicBandit - he actually did. The spell just made people forget specifically Peter Parker. Happy highlights the extent of this, pointing out he remembers working with Spiderman and that's the reason may died. He just didn't know about Peter Parker.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 10/6/2022, 12:21 PM
@Origame - Ah Okay. Right you are. :)
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/12/2022, 7:01 AM
It is funny how this Thunderbolts is 3 super soldiers, 2 black widows and a ghost.
Really needs Zemo and Abomination to break up the monotony.
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 9/12/2022, 7:34 AM
@BritishMonkey - Yeah, someone like Abomination or Red Hulk would have been visually different, although Zemo may be too evil for this line-up which seems more anti-hero-ish.

It really is super bland and too easily overlapped though. Not only do you have three super soldiers and two black widows (three if you include RG), but you have two masked badasses wearing hoods. Ghost aside, everyone is just a cast member from Black Widow or FatWS, which makes it feel less like an MCU spanning project and more like a direct sequel to those two.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 9/12/2022, 8:11 AM
@BritishMonkey - I think the lineup is very deliberate and will play into the plot.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/12/2022, 10:54 AM
@DalekCraigWasson - I kinda don't mind it like that, hearing you put it that way. Cap and Widow stuff have always been close and similar, since Winter Soldier it seems, so it matches.
I figure if they have Zemo be the main villain that would work very well.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/12/2022, 10:54 AM
@thewanderer - I agree. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 9/12/2022, 11:03 AM
@BritishMonkey - my hunch, or maybe want. Is that In New World Order, The Leader and Zemo are working together to form a Masters of Evil.

Something happens in the movie that leads the government to lose faith in Sam and the ideal of the Avengers, so the Government forms the Thunderbolts as their own government controlled Avengers team.


I totally expect both movies to be tied together.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 9/12/2022, 7:01 AM
I liked the Avengers. I don't like any of these new characters and the ones I did like before this Phase I no longer find interesting. MCU was fun when it was interesting and cool and I'll always be thankful for the movies we have now that existed before Endgame.
Kyos
Kyos - 9/12/2022, 8:10 AM
@WarMonkey - I too liked the Avengers. I like most of the new characters as well, and the only returning character I now like less is Strange. The MCU is still pretty cool. 🙂
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 9/12/2022, 8:29 AM
@Kyos - If they have competent writers they could turn Ghost played by Hannah (forget how to spell her last name) into a major player in the MCU and a star. She has the acting talent and the action experience to play an amazing character. I doubt they will do this though or even could anymore. I would love to be proven wrong though and get some amazing new stories and characters!
Supercat6376
Supercat6376 - 9/12/2022, 7:06 AM
I can’t imagine that many people are interested in this.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 8:00 AM
@Supercat6376 - I've found that the feel between here and say the marvel reddit, vs. Ign comment sections, and io9.gizmodo.com sections to differ greatly when it comes to marvel sentiment. It's mostly negative here of the four I just mentioned. And that's a more recent thing. I used to see super intelligent discussions here but it's been over shadowed by negativity.

Maybe it's warranted idk. But it's worthwhile stating that none of the other sites display this same energy in the comments.

It's too soon after thunderbolts announcement to gauge overall interest but I'll def keep an eye out. I for one am most excited about thunderbolts ahead of any other movie or show announced. Weird right?
Supercat6376
Supercat6376 - 9/12/2022, 9:11 AM
@Vigor - I wouldn’t say weird lol. I just have no excitement for that lineup. I need to see more of them overtime to really care about them, excluding Bucky of course. I feel like marvel is pushing out all this material. Many of the characters aren’t as well known or have as big a following. They’re not letting them develope over time. I want to grow with all these new characters. If ghost dies is it really going to impact me ? I think they’re moving on from the original six way to quickly. They should be able to have one foot on what made them and the other on what’s going to keep them going.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/12/2022, 9:21 AM
@Supercat6376 - that's funny because I don't think they're moving on quick enough. Years go by between sequels (looking at capt marvel, Shang chi, as examples). And I feel we aren't getting enough time with them. They're literally going to age out of the roles. I think that's just the challenge going from comicbook page to big screen.
Spawnnn
Spawnnn - 9/12/2022, 7:12 AM
I think New World Order gonna bomb hard. Nobody cares for Mackie.
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