Has 'The Avengers' has already told us what Phase 2 and the sequel will be about?

...What is Phase 2?

Editorial Opinion
By mook - Jun 19, 2013 02:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

There's a key piece of dialogue in 'The Avengers, as follows;
Tony Stark: "...What is Phase 2?"
Steve Rogers: "Phase 2 is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons".

Now you could argue that this was resolved by the ending of the film with the Cube safely contained and on it's way to Asgard... but then why did Joss Whedon choose to say 'Phase 2'? Phase 1, 2 and now 3 of the MCU have been talked about for years now, with each Phase consisting of various films leading to a crossover Avengers film. So why not say 'Stage 2' or something similar?

What if the use of this expression is a deliberate clue as to what to expect in Phase 2 of the MCU leading up to 'The Avengers 2' – S.H.I.E.L.D creating weapons which in turn become a threat?

This was hinted at again in 'The Avengers';
Bruce Banner: "I want to know why S.H.I.E.L.D is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction".
Nick Fury: "Last year, Earth had a visit from another planet that had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously outgunned... The world is filling up with people that can't be matched, that can't be controlled!"



Joss has said he wants Avengers 2 to be "...smaller. More personal. More painful, by being the next thing that should happen to these characters, and not just a rehash of what seemed to work the first time. By having a theme that is completely fresh and organic to itself". "When I first considered doing Avengers 2, my first question was what can I do that's new? Because I can't make it bigger....but I can make it better". “The creation of the team is not the happy ending. It is the beginning of something that is complex and difficult, and now I get to dig a little deeper. And maybe, while I’m digging, just twist that knife. And that’s exciting for me.”

I think Thanos is being saved for Avengers 3 so maybe Phase 2 will be centred around weapons – who should build them, who should use them etc – and the problems this might cause, especially if they fall in to the wrong hands...



There's been a few more developments to suugest this;

The official MCU tie-in comic 'The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week' suggests that Coulson's experimental gun in 'The Avengers' was reversed engineered from the Destroyer armour (last seen in 'Thor') and perhaps powered by the Cosmic Cube (in a similar way to HYDRA's weapons in 'Captain America').

In 'Marvel One-Shot: Item 47' the end credits show that S.H.I.E.L.D is succesfully reverse-engineering the Chitauri weapon, first into a more human-friendly design, then into heavier vehicle-mounted weapons, and finally into an artillery piece. The results of this work are likely to appear somewhere in Phase 2 and/or 'Avengers 2'.

'Iron Man 3', the first film in Phase 2 is fairly stand-alone but Marvel's Kevin Feige says; “I would say that the exercise of this film is very much standalone, more so than any 'Iron Man' film since the first one. But because we are in Phase Two and we're heading towards another 'Avengers' movie, there's certainly a road that's being paved — you just might not notice it. While you're driving on the road, not knowing where it's going, you might not realize that there are road signs and signals and lane changes that we're setting up now — they might not be readily apparent the first time you see the movie."

I think the introduction of Extremis and A.I.M could continue to be an issue in Phase 2, especially in terms of the development of weapons to fight the new threats facing earth follwing the events of 'The Avengers'.

The trailer for the 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D' TV show show some sort of weapon possibly derived from alien technology.



So the threat in 'Avengers 2' wont be another alien invasion but instead it will be the development and use of weapons. This could lead to a situations such as;

S.H.I.E.L.D and/or Nick Fury clash with The Avengers.

The Avengers are split in thier loyalty to S.H.I.E.L.D and turn against each other.

S.H.I.E.L.D developed weapons fall into the hands of villains or certain groups (A.I.M, Hydra etc)

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kinghulk
kinghulk - 6/19/2013, 4:14 AM
if what weve seen on the cpt 2 set is what we think weve seen(fury gone rogue/shield being taken over by some bad guy) then i could definately see them under the control of aim or hydra. perhaps cpt 2 leads direclty into the avengers and shield is trying to take over the world who knows it could be anything.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/19/2013, 4:58 AM
Look at the 4 movies Tony Stark have been in. Iron Man 1, Tony built and piloted his armor... Iron Man 2, Tony built and piloted his armor... The Avengers, Jarvis built the armor and tony piloted the suit... Iron Man 3, Jarvis piloted armor... If someone could copy Jarvis's program, they could easily build an army of Iron Men since it can now build and pilot suits. Or, maybe someone tries and jarvis becomes ultron. That'd be a hell of a reason for Tony Stark to armor up again. That'd be personal.

I like Kinghulks theory about Fury getting the boot, especially after disobeying a direct order in Aveners. That shows that he doesn't agree with the direction that Shield is going. Also, it fits in well with mook's theory about the Phase 2 weapons. What if the new director hijack's jarvis and build armors with the aforementioned chitauri tech and hydra weapons? That'd be a force to be reconned with!
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/19/2013, 5:08 AM
I mean, just having troops and vehicles with the weapms wouldn't be enough. Cap alone took out Hydra with their weapons and the Avengers took down the Chitauri and their weapons. So, just having the weapons/tech would not be nearly threat enough...
mook
mook - 6/19/2013, 5:58 AM
@MoonDoggyX Interesting idea. In the Avengers we see Tony Stark and Pepper Potts on the computer system in the damaged Stark Tower, designing plans for an “Avengers Tower”, complete with room designations for all the superheroes involved, a training area, and an airship. What if this is all controlled by JARVIS and someone gains control of JARVIS...?
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 6:50 AM
Eh, interesting theory I guess, but I don't think there's really a connection. Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 by the looks of it, disprove.
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 6/19/2013, 6:57 AM
very nice observations..sometimes we over analyize and things are right under our noses..

another thing we have to look @ is the additions of the twins in avengers 2 and what roll will they play..

one possible connection to other things to come was when Killian was showing pepper the hologram of the vacant area in the brain and mistakenly showed her the universe.. what was he doing studying that?
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 6/19/2013, 7:00 AM
i agree AIM/hydra will play a major part of things also
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 6/19/2013, 7:01 AM
Nice article, I'm currently writing one about my speculation on who the villian will be. Nice article by the way.
mook
mook - 6/19/2013, 7:31 AM
@ruadh I would say IM3 does support the the idea - the whole film is about weapons; the new remotre controlled IM suits, the Government controlled Iron Patriot, Extremis, the President of the US under attack, AIM etc.

Any of ideas could be expanded upon in Phase 2...

(Not sure about Thor 2 though - maybe it will be fairly standalone, or perhaps help lead into GotG?)
mook
mook - 6/19/2013, 7:39 AM
@ROBBEATZZZ Good point about the 'Brain Slot', I'm sure that will come up again somehow.

As for the twins, I wonder if they will be another form of weapon for S.H.I.E.L.D as well? Perhaps a back-up to protect us from any rogue Avengers (eg like the Hulk Prison in 'The Avengers')
mook
mook - 6/19/2013, 7:40 AM
@MrCBM56 Thanks. I'm new but have done a couple of other articles you might like.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 9:06 AM
If you're going about it that way, then every movie is about weapons, and thus all of them are "phase 2".

I think Phase 2 is more about the aftermath of Avengers, and having these characters ripped even further from their comfort zone.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 9:27 AM
I would think AIM would fold after the events of Iron Man 3.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 9:55 AM
"IRON MAN announces he is IRON MAN to the world only to pull the revearsal in the 3rd and STOP being IRON MAN"

Except...he says he will always be Iron Man.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 9:57 AM
You're really hung up on AIM.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 9:59 AM
I dunno...you have a LOT of supposition, so it's difficult to get behind any of your logic, especially when I disagree with your interpretation of the one movie that's been released, as well as what is shown in the trailers.

Don't ever take trailers at face value.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 10:01 AM
"yes b/c that is a crucial development foe PHASE 2 and probably the SHIELD Tv show "

I doubt it. THey're as significant as Hammer industries. What you see as "obvious" I see as simply a guess that's not even hinted at.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 10:07 AM
I guess they could substitute Zola for Modok, but I still don't expect AIM to survive after a massive plot to take out the president.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 6/19/2013, 10:32 AM
They'll deal and finish with Thanos in The Avengers 2, then Ultron will be the villian in the third after being established as a secret weapon that Pym has been making over the years in the Ant-Man movie. I expect the Guardians of the Galaxy to be the ones to fully conclude the Thanos arc provided that their movie is a moderate success which I think it will be
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 10:34 AM
Eh....I still suspect Thanos will be a puppetmaster in Avengers 2, but not really dealt with directly until the third one.

What I get from Feige, and Whedon, is Avengers 2 is far more personal of a story. With the government answering Iron Man, with Iron Patriot, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new government sanctioned team of Avengers, more or less a similar concept to Dark Avengers. It's also a decent excuse to bring the team back together. They all are seemingly on the outs or retired, but have to band together to blah blah.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 6/19/2013, 12:02 PM
i dont know if any of you have played the iron man 3 game on the ipad but in that killian has had his mind tranfered into modok and is on a rampage so what do you think maybe MODOK will run around killing people.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 12:11 PM
@dellamorte1872

Yep, I've read at least five comics in my life. :)

Umm...and it doesn't really matter. I'm looking at the MCU as a film franchise, not a page-to-screen adaptation. Given how every single MCU movie plays out, I feel confident in that approach. Things that are one way in the comics, don't have to be that way in the films.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 6/19/2013, 12:26 PM
i imagined radioactive man as the villian but i like the idea of MODOK being in ant man as long as they dont kill him im fed up of comic book movies killing villians.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 6/19/2013, 12:43 PM
i cant imagine what MODOK would look like on the screen i hope he looks good.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/19/2013, 12:57 PM
@dellamorte1872

I actually have read more than 5. It was a joke, I said "at least five". At its peak, my collection was 9 long boxes full.

Anyway, I don't see the MCU as combination of the main MU and the Ultimates....the MCU is a series of movies using every iteration of these characters as inspiration, but ultimately they are their own version.

All the stuff you're talking about would probably be cool to see in a movie, but I don't expect any of it. They're their own animal.
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