BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer Joe Robert Cole Explains Why They Decided To Kill [SPOILER]

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer Joe Robert Cole Explains Why They Decided To Kill [SPOILER]

T'Challa wasn't Black Panther: Wakanda Forever's only major casualty, as we also bid farewell to another fan-favourite character. Now, writer Joe Robert Cole has explained the decision to kill them off.

By JoshWilding - Nov 22, 2022 04:11 AM EST
Source: Rolling Stone

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is a very emotional movie, and one that should leave tears in the eyes of even the most hardened fan. Late in the sequel, Namor attacks Wakanda and floods the throne room, trapping both Queen Ramonda and Riri Williams below. 

The latter is left unconscious, prompting the Queen to drag her through the water to safety. Unfortunately, the exertion behind that heroic effort means Ramonda drowns in one of the Black Panther follow-up's most shocking, heart-wrenching moments.

Talking to Rolling Stone, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever writer Joe Robert Cole was asked how the team working on the blockbuster decided to kill Angela Bassett's character.

"When we were working through the narrative and the story, we were looking at how each of our characters might be impacted by T’Challa’s loss," he explains. "And the person closest to him, the person that felt like they would be affected the most, was Shuri [Letita Wright], his sister. We started to look at her arc and the journey we wanted her to take."

"She takes, I think, an incredible journey on this through this film. Thinking of who she was in the first film, I’m really proud of how she has evolved and grown as a character. At the beginning of this movie, she’s the smartest person in all of Wakanda and yet she can’t save her brother. How does that affect someone?"

"We started to work through that journey of where she would be, her anger, her frustration and her pouring herself into her work," Cole continues. "You think back to her point of view on the mystical side of Wakanda, how she’s more about science than she is about the ancestors and the ancestral plane."

"That exploration of her journey and her journey with her mother — who has lost a son, who has lost her husband, and who is dealing with grief and trying to help Shuri through that grief — we felt like it would be tremendously impactful to Shuri, and obviously to the nation, for Ramonda to be lost in the flood. How Shuri pivots off of that, and how Wakanda will pivot. From there, it launches M’Baku. It launches our characters in new directions."

It was Ramonda's death that prompted Shuri to become Wakanda's new Black Panther, while the closing moments of the movie also confirmed that M'Baku is the nation's new King. 

Bassett's work in the movie has been widely praised, with all signs pointing to her receiving a "Best Supporting Actress" Oscar nomination. While the character will be missed, Ramonda's demise looks set to be incredibly important for how Wakanda continues to develop in the MCU. 

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is now playing in theaters.

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/22/2022, 4:25 AM
It was the right choice, one of the few in the movie lol.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 11/22/2022, 4:49 AM
@bobevanz - I'm still kind of torn on it TBH.

On the one hand, Bassett's performance was levels above her previous appearance and she went out heroically, though i was suprised she risked her life for RiRi who wasn't really anyone to her, but i think the point of that was that she stood by Shuri's decision that the girl shouldn't die. Her Death also set up Shuri's vengeful side where she got dark for a minute further giving Shuri the true arc of the story, which i liked.

On the other hand though it seemed they finally started to build up her character and then offed he, We also didn't really see Shuri mourning her at the end, which i guess i can understand to a point, as that ending was more atuned to the loss of Chadwick not T'Challa and putting Bassett in that montage would have been a bit tasteless.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 11/22/2022, 7:29 AM
@bobevanz - 🤦‍♂️
Blastaar
Blastaar - 11/22/2022, 7:47 AM
@bobevanz - Yupm they could've killed every single everybody(yes I know that didn't happen), and somebody will say it was the right choice.
Forthas
Forthas - 11/22/2022, 4:38 AM
I understand that Marvel wants to show there are real life stakes in their films, but the wanton killing of central characters whether supporting or not including ...

Gamora, Vision, Black Widow, Aunt May, Loki, Odin, Frigga, Jane Foster, The Warriors Three, Iron Man, Klaw, Kilmonger, Tchalla and now Ramonda...

...makes Zack Snyder's offing of Kimmy Olsen look tame!
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 11/22/2022, 4:42 AM
@Forthas - Comparing characters who die after for the most part getting an arc and generally doing some of the stuff from the comics to a character who was killed off immediately after identifying himself and in no way being the person we know from the comics is crazy
kider2
kider2 - 11/22/2022, 4:50 AM
@Forthas - What are you talking about?
Loki, Gamora and Vision pretty much got revived... Black Widow, Iron Man and Black Panther got replacements so yea dead but replaced. All the other characters you mentioned are side characters.
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 11/22/2022, 5:29 AM
@Forthas -
>central characters
>the warriors three

You can only chose one.
Blastaar
Blastaar - 11/22/2022, 7:55 AM
@Forthas - T'Challa being the most unexplored of them all takes the sh*t cake.

I don't care what anybody says, Angela Bassett is/was a veteran actress, she's seen many scripts, many of which she decided not to do, because the writing wasn't good.

She KNOWS what is not good writing, not just because she is being selfish or egotistical because its HER character, but because if it doesn't narratively make sense, then she has a right to address it being unnecessary or bad writing. She's not some desperate actress that needs work.

She's seen scripts, writes as well, and has more experience than everybody on that set. Had it been Robert Dinero or somebody, they would've said "hmmm, oh wow, yeah, you're right Bob, I mean Mr.Dinero"
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 11/22/2022, 5:26 AM
Killing the queen just for Shuri's additional pain was so goddamn stupid. I don't really care if "death isn't the end," it was still dumb. Your home was flooded and citizens died, that should've been reason enough to step up.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 11/22/2022, 5:40 AM
Pretty sure there was an article on this already?
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 11/22/2022, 6:43 AM
Boseman and Bassett and B. Jordan were the 3 best assets this franchise had, now all 3 are significantly off the board, and Ramonda and Killmonger and even T'Challa really don't need to be dead in this universe.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/22/2022, 6:58 AM
Angela Basset for Best Supporting Actress.
Letitia Wright for Best Actress.
Ryan Coogler for Best Director.
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever for Best Picture.

Also...
The Batman for Best Picture
Matt Reeves for Best Director
Sam Raimi for Best Director
Robert Pattinson for Best Actor
Paul Dano for Best Supporting Actor
Mike Marino for Best Hair and Make-up (The Batman)

Lot of awards need to be given out to comic book movies at next year's Oscras.
No more participation awards (they'd only get hacked by the Snyder Cult again).

Two excellent films from both Marvel and DC. Should be going head to head.
Maybe throw a bone to that Menu film or whatever, too, but don't discount or ignore the genuinely brilliant pieces of cinema that just happen to be a part of the thing keeping cinema alive at the moment.

And tell Marty he can suck it if he don't like it.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/22/2022, 7:46 AM
If my queen was killed by a water balloon not long after I lost 2 beloved kings I would not want make peace with the ones that did it just because the queen's daughter took the decision upon herself for the nation. I doubt many in the nation would be OK with her decision after losing so many in a surprise attack.

MCU had Angela Bassett playing the Queen of Wakanda and they decided nah they didn't want that anymore and pushed her out the door. Dumb move IMHO
Blastaar
Blastaar - 11/22/2022, 7:59 AM
@WarMonkey - Downright asinine and HORRIBLE writing.

I see people saying "It was the right decision"...Man...If Angela Bassett herself disagreed with it, then who the F are you?(not you in particular).
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/24/2022, 7:30 AM
@Blastaar - I like her as an actress but that doesn't mean I think she knows what the best writing is.
With that said, I'm fairly neutral about it.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/24/2022, 8:27 AM
@WarMonkey - it was a decision made for peace, not personal feelings.
Yes, they took a lot, but if they continued to go to war, both nations would be torn apart and for what? To be invaded by outside forces that wouldn't care about the destruction of either civilization.
Blastaar
Blastaar - 11/28/2022, 8:57 AM
@Slotherin - Angela Bassett is a writer as well, she's a veteran actress. In fact, she's turned down many movies/characters because of the writing not being good.

As an actor, you need to know what is good writing or not. If you are just too greedy and willing to take every role handed to you or stories, then it will be to the detriment of your career.

Dude...Angela Bassett graduated from YALE University, she's knows good writing and horrible writing when she sees it, as also most actors have some form of writing skills, and over time develop writing skills as well. Look at Ryan Reynolds and many others, being able to know good writing goes hand in hand with acting. If you also do theater, which she does, then you need to know good writing because there is no editor's room in theater acting, either you get it right there or you don't(yes of course they rehearse).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Bassett

I don't think you know enough about the actress to give her enough credit to know that she must have been on to something.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/30/2022, 4:12 PM
@Blastaar - her acting credentials wouldn't change whether or not her and I share an opinion on something or not... it's an opinion.
Blastaar
Blastaar - 12/1/2022, 8:44 AM
@Slotherin - Unfortunately, her opinion trumps yours as a person who has been within the industry for over 30 years.
AvalonX
AvalonX - 11/22/2022, 11:42 AM
Terrible movie. If they were going to kill him, they should have had him die in some unclear battle against Namor which would have established Namor as a proper villain.

Really, they should have just waited and recasted. They could have shelved this movie for years. If they needed him for other movies, you could have introduced the new version in another movie.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/22/2022, 9:51 PM
@AvalonX - recasting never would have sat well with general audiences.
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