Joe Johnston Details His Captain America: The First Avenger Approach And More!

Joe Johnston Details His Captain America: The First Avenger Approach And More!

Detailing creating pre-serum Steve Rogers, adapting Captain America: The First Avenger to the MCU, it's Rocketeer comparison & more, heres a recent Joe Johnston interview

By DCMarvelFreshman - Jun 27, 2011 09:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America
Source: Film Journal



Following their in-depth interview with Marvel Studios' president, the Film Journal has now revealed their chat with Captain America: The First Avenger director, Joe Johnston. From detailing his approach to the period setting to the visual process of the "pre-serum" Steve Rogers, among other things, read on below.

Did you have any particular affinity for Captain America before signing on to direct this movie?
"I was certainly aware of the character but had not been a regular reader. I didn't see this as a disadvantage of any kind. I was able to approach the character with a more objective viewpoint than someone who would call himself a fan. Once I signed on to the project, I did a lot of research, focusing on the various iterations of the character since the first issue in 1940."


What are the challenges associated with approaching period pieces versus a contemporary setting?
"Period comic-book adaptations can be more challenging for action sequences and pop-culture references, especially in trying to reach a younger audience. I always try to be true to the period while making a film that feels contemporary in its style. Both Captain America and The Rocketeer take place in roughly the same period—the late ’30s and early ’40s. I've always loved the visual elements of the period: the cars, architecture, clothing, and the overall sense of style that we seem to have lost. As a society we used to seem to care what things looked like. We took care to build beauty and passion into the world around us, and decisions didn't seem to be based on the bottom line."


Does the familiarity of Rocketeer firstly being unknown while Captain America has a higher profile make him an easier character to base a movie around?
"A bigger fanbase for a certain character actually makes it more difficult. There are not only preconceived notions, there are elements of the character that are practically held sacred by fans. The challenge is in reinterpreting the character from the comic book to the movie screen. You can get away with a lot on a comic-book page, and the reader will fill in the blanks. Filmmakers don't have that luxury."


Did you have to concern yourself with maintaining Marvel's larger continuity while making Captain America?
There are threads that run through all the films in the Marvel universe. I had more flexibility because Captain America takes place in a different period. There are references to other films that the fans will spot but they won't bump for someone unfamiliar with the Marvel universe. Basically I think all the films have to stand on their own merit.


How did you achieve the pre-serum Steve Rogers effect?
We used two major techniques. Most of the shots were done by an L.A. company called LOLA that specializes in digital "plastic surgery." The technique involved shrinking Chris in all dimensions. We shot each skinny Steve scene at least four times; once like a normal scene with Chris and his fellow actors in the scene, once with Chris alone in front of a green screen so his element could be reduced digitally, again with everyone in the scene but with Chris absent so that the shrunken Steve could be re-inserted into the scene, and finally with a body double mimicking Chris's actions in case the second technique were required. When Chris had to interact with other characters in the scene, we had to either lower Chris or raise the other actors on apple boxes or elevated walkways to make skinny Steve shorter in comparison. For close-ups, Chris' fellow actors had to look at marks on his chin that represented where his eyes would be after the shrinking process, and Chris had to look at marks on the tops of the actor's head to represent their eyes. These marks then had to be digitally removed in post-production.

The second technique involved grafting Chris's head onto the body double. This technique was used mostly when Chris was sitting or lying down, or when a minimum of physical acting was required, although the body double was an actor in his own right. Unfortunately, the body double also proved to be too large and we usually had to shrink his element before we could graft Chris's shrunken head onto the body. Both techniques were time-consuming and immensely complicated for the visual-effects team, but the end result is quite amazing.


You’ve appeared at a few conventions promoting the movie. Have you enjoyed the interactions you’ve had with comic-book fans?
I like interacting with people who love movies. If they're also comic-book fans, that's great. I like to challenge the fans' preconceived notions about the character. Just because a character is developed in the comics in a certain way, it doesn't mean it's right for the big screen. I've found that the fans are usually smart and passionate about a lot more than comics.


Captain America has proven to be a difficult character to translate to film. Did you screen any of the past attempts?
"I watched a little of each of the previous attempts. They were made-for-TV movies and didn't have the scope of a Marvel feature, so I'll blame the shortcomings on a minimal budget. There was full agreement from everyone at Marvel that if we were going to make this version, the origin story of Captain America, we were pulling out all the stops and doing it right. The end result is a film that is incredibly rich in imagery. I got to build or travel to just about any environment I wanted to tell the story."


Are there any other comic-book heroes you’d be interested in bringing to the big screen?
"I'd love to make a sequel to The Rocketeer. The film didn't do as well at the box office as we all hoped, but it has endured and generated a following. It was great fun and I'd love to re-explore Cliff Secord's world. If there are other comic-book heroes who have as human a story as Steve Rogers, I'd be interested. Too many comic-book movies rely on spectacle when the story is weak. With Captain America, we got the story firing on all cylinders first so the spectacle was fully justified. More than anything, I want everyone in the audience to sink into the alternate reality of the 1940s, enjoy the ride and come out of the theatre humming the Captain America theme. The movie is a helluva lot of fun."



Captain America: The First Avenger focuses on the early days of the Marvel Universe when Steve Rogers volunteers to participate in an experimental program that turns him into the Super Soldier known as Captain America. As Captain America, Rogers joins forces with Bucky Barnes and Peggy Carter to wage war on the evil HYDRA organization, led by the villainous Red Skull. Starring Chris Evans, Sebastian Stan, Tommy Lee Jones, Hayley Atwell, Samuel L. Jackson, Stanley Tucci and Hugo Weaving, the film releases July 22, 2011.
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HelaGood
HelaGood - 6/27/2011, 10:12 AM
can't WAIT for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
95
95 - 6/27/2011, 10:18 AM
BEST MARVEL FILM EVER?

~rm
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/27/2011, 10:26 AM
fingers crossed that this turns out being marvels best film until the avengers.
niknik
niknik - 6/27/2011, 10:29 AM
"The second technique involved grafting Chris's head onto the body double. This technique was used mostly when Chris was sitting or lying down, or when a minimum of physical acting was required, although the body double was an actor in his own right. Unfortunately, the body double also proved to be too large and we usually had to shrink his element before we could graft Chris's shrunken head onto the body."

That's because you were going for the "8 year old boy" look you dumbass! The shot of him sitting in the car looks like he's slightly taller than a preschooler for cryin' out loud. If you would have even tried to make him look at least a LITTLE bit taller than an OOMPA LOOMPA it would have worked out for you, ya dip$hit.
niknik
niknik - 6/27/2011, 10:40 AM
"You’ve appeared at a few conventions promoting the movie. Have you enjoyed the interactions you’ve had with comic-book fans?"

"I like interacting with people who love movies. If they're also comic-book fans, that's great. I like to challenge the fans' preconceived notions about the character."

That right there says volumes. Movie snob. Has little reverence for comic book fans conceptions of the character or the characters original source material for that matter. Going to "challenge" comic book fans "preconceived notions" (read: source material). What we have is your typical ego-driven film director who knows next to nothing about the source material and makes only the slightest effort to familiarize himself with the character, planning on doing it "his way" regardless of how it might stray from the original source material.

This movie may well still be good in spite of this a-hole thanks to a good script, but I firmly believe it could be better with a director that actually gives a rats ass about the original source material and it's longtime readers.
Reasonnnn
Reasonnnn - 6/27/2011, 10:41 AM
Captain America will crap on Green Lantern and then he will give Thor & X-Men: First Class some chest bumps.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 6/27/2011, 10:42 AM
Johnston: "Too many comic-book movies rely on spectacle when the story is weak."



The Corps: "YEAH!"

Hal: "Uh, guys? I think he's talking about us."
JackBauer
JackBauer - 6/27/2011, 10:47 AM
Great. Loved everything he said here.

Cap will be the top (true) cbm of this year.
capreborn
capreborn - 6/27/2011, 10:48 AM
In Joe Jonnston I trust
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 6/27/2011, 11:08 AM
@niknik, Chill out. You're leaving out the parts that don't fit with the picture you're trying to paint of Johnston.

"If they're also comic-book fans, that's great... I've found that the fans are usually smart and passionate about a lot more than comics."

"Once I signed on to the project, I did a lot of research, focusing on the various iterations of the character since the first issue in 1940."

Oh, yeah. This guy doesn't respect fans or source material at all.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 6/27/2011, 11:18 AM
This will def be the best marvel movie everrrr!!!!
thedudeabides
thedudeabides - 6/27/2011, 11:18 AM
I would be psyched for just the Rocketeer Blu-Ray, but if Joe manages to be part of the team that gets Marvel Studios a $350 million dollar domestic gross for Captain America, I'm sure Disney will reconsider it. He had a pretty funny quote saying that everyone was on board June 20th for one, then it came out on the 21st and then he never heard from them about it after the 22nd... pretty sad. Did anyone get to go to the D23 20th Anniversary screening?
PoPcornDude
PoPcornDude - 6/27/2011, 11:36 AM
I really want this movie to ROCK !!!
can't wait for it...
25 more days....
nordberg
nordberg - 6/27/2011, 11:39 AM
I think niknik needs a hughug.
BorisSenna
BorisSenna - 6/27/2011, 11:57 AM
@niknik

Wow. Way to make a snap judgement on someone's character, there.
I'm with you on the car scene. He's disproportionately small. But can we ALL agree that, at that time, there were a lot of people like Steve?
There were a lot of ppl in terrible shape after the depression and the "Dust Bowl" was strangling food supplies everywhere in the states. I've seen what an unhealthy diet can do to ppl in the long run.
And the effect is damn impressive
There isn't a single thing i've seen about this movie that leads me to be believe it will be less than stellar
Benjamitesandwich
Benjamitesandwich - 6/27/2011, 12:42 PM
@Nordberg

I want a hugbug!

@niknik

I don't see what's wrong with making Steve that small. I think making him smaller is more of an advantage in this film because it will cause the audience to feel for him that much more. Character development is something that shouldn't be overlooked, my friend.
Tin
Tin - 6/27/2011, 1:16 PM
You know where the problem is?

The problem is in saying that the all the spectacle is fully justified. Why does spectacle need justification? It's spectacle any way you put it. If you want a spectacle, and you certainly do, why not admit that you love watching spectacle and end the story? Watch your goddamn spectacle, you son of a bitch. I don't need spectacle, not yours or anybody else's. Our culture is stupid, we act like 8 year olds do, not being able to admit anything to ourselves, to be honest. [frick] that
capcyclopsftw
capcyclopsftw - 6/27/2011, 1:41 PM
lmfao @ bigbmh! That is hilarious!
ROMACK
ROMACK - 6/27/2011, 1:47 PM
Cap will decimate all.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 6/27/2011, 2:47 PM
Uh oh, Marvel Studios is changing a few things from the comic for the sake of the movie!
Gose
Gose - 6/27/2011, 4:50 PM
ROCKETEER cameo in this movie !!!
Tymminator
Tymminator - 6/27/2011, 8:24 PM
VERY much Looking forward to this movie. I was happy with Thor, but Cap is my main guy so I'm pulling for him.
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 6/28/2011, 6:44 AM
Typical arrogant douchebag director. He shows zero respect for the source material, an attitude that always shows up on screen in cbm's cursed with directors that feel that way. "I like to challenge fans' preconceived notions about the character"? That just shows me that Johnston has zero understanding of just who and what Captain America is.

And the only reason the Rocketeer was good was because Dave Stevens, the character's creator, was a regular presence at every stage of the movie's development making damn sure they got it right. There was no such guardian for Cap's legacy.
THORION76
THORION76 - 6/28/2011, 8:49 AM
I want the Captain America theme to be "CAPTAIN AMERICA F@#K YEA HE'S COMING TO SAVE THE MOTHER F@#KING WORLD YEA".
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