THE MARVELS Director Shares Her Take On Why AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Loss Was Captain America's Fault

THE MARVELS Director Shares Her Take On Why AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Loss Was Captain America's Fault THE MARVELS Director Shares Her Take On Why AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Loss Was Captain America's Fault

The Marvels director Nia DaCosta has shared her take on Avengers: Infinity War and made a case for why Captain America may actually be to blame for Thanos defeating Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Nov 07, 2023 11:11 AM EST
Filed Under: The Marvels
Source: Phase Zero

Avengers: Infinity War shocked everyone by ending with Earth's Mightiest Heroes losing their battle against Thanos. Despite repeated attempts to stop the Mad Titan, not even Thor plunging Stormbreaker into the villain's chest was enough to stop him from snapping his fingers and wiping out half of all life in the universe. 

The Avengers made a valiant attempt to keep the Mind Stone from Thanos, though the villain's plan would have never been able to come to fruition had the heroes agreed to destroy it (resulting in Vision making the ultimate sacrifice). 

Talking on the Phase Zero podcast, The Marvels director Nia DaCosta shared a compelling take on why the blame for that loss lies at Captain America's feet. 

"So, here’s the thing: the reason why it’s his fault is the reason why he’s such an amazing hero, because he’s like, ‘We’re not gonna sacrifice anyone. There always has to be another way.’ He was incorrect," she argues. "But then also, he was right in the end, ’cause everything was fine."

"We did lose some people that we care about, but it is his fault, because he should’ve just ripped that thing out of his homie’s head from the beginning."

"But then, again, that’s what makes him such a good character, and I think some of the amazing success of that first part of the MCU was those characters were so true to themselves, and they made sense," the filmmaker continued. "All of the decisions that they made, even if you didn’t agree with them, they made perfect sense to who they were. So, even though I blame him, I understand him."

It's a real shame Marvel Studios has waited until now to let DaCosta talk about this movie (and the wider MCU) because it feels like she just gets it. While it may not be a popular assessment, Cap's unwillingness to make that sacrifice is what led to Thanos ultimately unleashing the devastating might of the Infinity Stones. 

Things all worked out in the end, of course, and Avengers: Infinity War's ending remains one of Marvel Studios' best. Do you agree with DaCosta's take?

In The Marvels, Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel has reclaimed her identity from the tyrannical Kree and taken revenge on the Supreme Intelligence. But unintended consequences see Carol shouldering the burden of a destabilized universe.

When her duties send her to an anomalous wormhole linked to a Kree revolutionary, her powers become entangled with that of Jersey City super-fan Kamala Khan, aka Ms. Marvel, and Carol’s estranged niece, now S.A.B.E.R. astronaut Captain Monica Rambeau. Together, this unlikely trio must team up and learn to work in concert to save the universe as "The Marvels."

The movie stars Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris, Iman Vellani, Samuel L. Jackson, Zawe Ashton and Park Seo-joon.

The Marvels is set to arrive in theaters on November 10.

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IronSpider101 - 11/7/2023, 11:18 AM
However this movie turns out, I really like Nia DaCosta a lot. Have listened to her on a few podcasts I like and she's always been a great presence. She seems thoughtful and genuinely passionate about what she does. Looking forward to following her career as a filmmaker even if this movie ends up being a missfire.
UncleHarm1 - 11/7/2023, 11:19 AM
Clickbait title aside, she's right.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:23 AM
@UncleHarm1 - technically she isn't though. Ultimately the wakandan plan didn't work out and they killed vision and destroyed the stone.

Thanos just rewound time and killed vision right after.

And since team cap didn't know where the time stone was it's not like they could've gone to it and have Wanda destroy it (which she might not have been able to since the mind stone giving her power was the logical throughline that she could destroy the mind stone).
Vigor - 11/7/2023, 11:28 AM
@Origame - they could have destroyed visions stone at avengers compound when they reunited end of the 1st third of the movie.
Then scattered its atomized remains across the quantum universe (I know, they didn't know about pym particles at this time)

Thanos was only rewinding a small pocket of space when he revised vision for the stone. He didn't rewind all of time like Knonshu did. So yeah had they destroyed that stone earlier, it could have left thanos missing 1 stone. But cap would never do that. True to his character
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:32 AM
@Vigor - well as you said, they can't use pym particles so that simply wasn't an option.

Besides, they're going off of the limited knowledge they have. All they know is Thanos is powerful enough to beat Thor and hulk, and he has the space stone. They have no idea he can rewind time. Especially since before this he didn't even have that ability. Let alone the knowledge of how his time powers work.
The1st - 11/7/2023, 1:06 PM
@Origame - This.
dagenspear - 11/7/2023, 2:29 PM
@UncleHarm1 - No she's not. Thanos had the time stone when he got there. It would've played out the same if he got there and it was done.
dagenspear - 11/7/2023, 2:30 PM
@UncleHarm1 - Also Cap wasn't the one to initially refuse to do it.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:19 AM
You know, I find it kinda funny how we've had people criticizing pa Kent in man of steel for saying "maybe" to the idea of letting them die, but now we've got marvel saying cap should've just flat out killed a dude.
Vigor - 11/7/2023, 11:21 AM
@Origame - I know right? It's almost as if people have different opinions or something 🙃
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:23 AM
@Vigor - different, hypocritical opinions.
braunermegda - 11/7/2023, 11:29 AM
@Origame - no, different people have different opinions.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:34 AM
@braunermegda - you're telling me none of the people here agreeing with her had any problem with pa Kent saying "maybe" to Clark letting the bus die?
braunermegda - 11/7/2023, 11:43 AM
@Origame - not everyone, the problem is generalization. Don't want to be the herald of truth myself but I, for instance, never even bothered with that situation (never really gave importance, tbh).

But I also understand that in one case it was to let a few people die, in here just kill one. But overall, just don't generalize.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 11:48 AM
@braunermegda - but I'm not generalizing it. People did call out PA Kent. And aren't here.

Besides, both cases were a matter of lives lost vs the greater good. Pa didn't want Clark to reveal himself until he was ready because his existence being known could change the world in unpredictable ways. Potentially war, which could be similarly devastating from the perspective of the earth.

Also, if anything letting people die isn't very high on the morality scale as opposed to actually killing someone.
amesjazz - 11/7/2023, 11:55 AM
@Origame - Bingo.
FlopWatchers5 - 11/7/2023, 12:10 PM
@Origame - yea but vision was AI u acting like he was a real person lol. just like wanda. homie ended up getting deleted and brought back anyway.
ShimmyShimmyYA - 11/7/2023, 12:22 PM
@Origame - this is such a disingenuous take lmao
LeDiableBlanc - 11/7/2023, 12:35 PM
@Origame - vision is not a dude
Fogs - 11/7/2023, 12:51 PM
@Origame - YES.

"he should’ve just ripped that thing out of his homie’s head from the beginning"
And that is why not everyone can be a Steve Rogers (or Clark Kent).

Still, Pa kent was an a-hole in MoS :)
Origame - 11/7/2023, 1:40 PM
@BiggieMac4Sauce - thats getting into a philosophical discussion of what makes something human and whether an ai can be human. But the narrative of infinity war treats him as human.
Itwasme - 11/7/2023, 1:55 PM
@Origame - those situations seem wildly different.

Pa Kent was worried about people not accepting his son.

Cap and Crew were trying to prevent half the universe from being wiped from existence.

To say those situations are the same is odd.
dagenspear - 11/7/2023, 2:28 PM
@Itwasme - That offers nothing to it being morally justified.
Itwasme - 11/7/2023, 2:59 PM
@dagenspear - huh? You think a father worried if people would accept his son is the same as half the universe dying?

Pa Kent didn't have any indication his son would die if he was exposed either. He just didn't know how people would respond.

You really think those scenarios are the same?
Origame - 11/7/2023, 3:35 PM
@Itwasme - you're overly simplifying his worries.

He feared not only the fate of his son but the overall impact his existence would have on the world.

Those situations are comparable, it's simply a matter of scale.
Itwasme - 11/7/2023, 3:45 PM
@Origame - what was the impact on the world when it was recently proven aliens exist?

Not to say it would have been easy to deal with, but to say children should have maybe died to protect it is weird.

The fact you don't see the difference is concerning.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 4:17 PM
@Itwasme - 1) no, they confirmed there are ufos. As in, there's sh!t in the sky they can't identify.

2) it's hard to say how people would react. Especially considering an alien is among us as well as his tech that allowed him interstellar travel.

3) the fact you don't see the similarities would've been concerning, except you clearly did hence why you tried to make it about his son.
dagenspear - 11/7/2023, 5:25 PM
@Itwasme - I think they're different in that one is allowing people to die and the other murdering someone.
kazuma - 11/7/2023, 6:59 PM
@Origame - Superman doesn't kill. Captain America does. He tries not to but he does it when he has to. Nothing hypocritical about wanting SUPERMAN to not kill.
videovac - 11/7/2023, 8:03 PM
"yea but vision was AI u acting like he was a real person lol. just like wanda. homie ended up getting deleted and brought back anyway." - @BiggieMac4Sauce

God damn you're a stereotype.
Origame - 11/7/2023, 8:11 PM
@kazuma - first of all, we aren't talking about superman. He wanted to save the kids. Pa Kent is who we're talking about.

Second of all, no, captain america and all superheroes during the comics code had a no kill policy. None of these superheroes killed. Especially captain america, who was just as much of a boy scout as superman if not more so.
videovac - 11/7/2023, 8:13 PM
"those situations seem wildly different.

Pa Kent was worried about people not accepting his son.

Cap and Crew were trying to prevent half the universe from being wiped from existence.

To say those situations are the same is odd." - @Itwasme

As stupid as Man Of Steel is, I don't think Kevin Costner was worried about people not accepting his son and nothing else. I'm sure larger, wider ramifications also crossed his mind. He's not some kid with limited thinking. He's an old man who knows how the world works, with human goings amongst each other who treat each other as aliens. Imagine if those same people found out about an actual alien.

You've seen unacceptance/non-acceptance/rejection play out already in comic books. It's called the X-Men. And yes they have fought wars against humanity. Humans are some of their biggest enemies. Not odd at all.

You couldn't convince anyone, no matter how hard you try, that Jonathan "Pa" Kent was only concerned about "acceptance". The irony is you're right, yet proved yourself wrong, at the same time. Even that cursed movie Batman Versus Superman shows what happens when TWO people don't accept Superman. Lack of acceptance led to the scenario in BVS, and leads to every scenario the X-Men face. Fighting. On a mass scale.
kazuma - 11/7/2023, 8:41 PM
@Origame - Captain America has killed on multiple occasions. He's not foreign to it. And yes this is about Superman. Because the Kents instilled ideals into Clark. And to have the people that shaped Superman say "maybe you shouldn't let those kids die", is a bad thing.

MoS is legit in my top 5 favourite comicbook movies of all time. But that scene doesn't really sit well. Poor wording or what. idk. But to have the man, that guided Clark into becoming Superman say that, just feels off.

Itwasme - 11/7/2023, 8:49 PM
@videovac - still, those are the assumptions he made vs the actual fact they were trying to stop someone they knew was going to wipe out half the galaxy.

It's like shooting a bullet vs throwing it.

And beyond all that, the point is Cap stays true to his character, PA Kent does not. The reason Supes is the way he is is because of his parents. If he was found by someone else, he would have been different - that's literally the point of Red Son.

Pa Kent provides the upbringing that teaches Supes to be Supes in the comics, not in MOS and that scene is the perfect example of that.
Origame - 11/8/2023, 4:16 AM
@kazuma - how many people has cap killed in the comics? You don't know the character.

And pa said "maybe" because he's in a difficult situation, specifically because he doesn't want to have kids die.
kazuma - 11/8/2023, 8:36 PM
@Origame - Saying the WW2 soldier doesn't kill is funny.
Origame - 11/8/2023, 8:57 PM
@kazuma - ...well he doesn't.

Have you never heard of the comic code? Any character that existed during that time had to have a no kill rule basically as a requirement.

Batman is a man so traumatized by seeing his parents die in front of him that he created a plan to stop crime that involved dressing as a giant bat creature and beating them. By your same logic, saying he doesn't kill is funny. Yet some of his most well known stories are predicated on him not killing.
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