EDITORIAL: When Superheroes Cross The Line

EDITORIAL: When Superheroes Cross The Line

The days of the squeaky clean good guy are a thing of the past. But does that mean it’s acceptable for our heroes to kill? Hit the jump to hear one fan’s thoughts.

Editorial Opinion
By TwistedKingdom - Nov 20, 2014 09:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Comics


I was watching this movie from the 80s called Rustlers Rhapsody. It’s a parody on westerns that follows a singing cowboy, Tom Berenger (Inception), who travels from town to town. Each town is a living cliche - a town drunk, a hooker with a heart of gold, a crooked mayor.

In fact, these towns are so familiar, the hero predicts what’s going to happen because events unfold the same way everywhere he goes. It always ends with a showdown with the villain and the hero riding off victorious. It’s a funny film. I’d seen it before but something stood out on this viewing.


You see, when Berenger’s character, Rex O’Herlihan, is forced to draw his guns, he doesn’t shoot the bad guys. He shoots the guns out of their hands. Rex isn’t out to kill them…because he’s the good guy.

Although Rhapsody is a parody, the hero trope was very present. There used to be a time, long ago, when the good guys had a line they’d never cross. That’s part of what made them the hero.

 

In the 80s and 90s, it was commonplace to see action heroes like Schwarzenegger and Stallone dispose of the bad guys and follow up with a clever one liner. Perhaps it’s because “The Hero Who Won’t Kill” is really only a staple in superhero comics. While, in other media, stories tend to be more lenient when it comes to their heroes’ morality. 

 

So why is killing a bigger deal when it comes to superheroes? Well…because they’re superheroes.

 

BATMAN AND SUPERMAN LEAD THE WAY

 

Golden Age Batman began as a nod to the Shadow, carrying pistols as part of his arsenal. As the character took shape, the guns were done away with, in favor of non lethal measures. Perhaps, this was a business decision. A reassurance to parents their children were following the adventures of a true hero and not a ruthless vigilante.

 

As the Bat mythology grew, Bruce’s aversion to killing became a defining element of him and his origin. Batman not killing goes beyond “because he’s the good guy”.

The very fact he decides to don the cape and cowl shows how profoundly two violent acts of murder affected him.

 

It’s been well documented Golden Age Superman has taken a life on different occasions.

Like his World’s Finest counterpart, these were the days when the character hadn’t taken shape yet. He didn’t fly. John and Mary Kent took him to an orphanage before agreeing to adopt him.

And neither lived to see him become Superman. Very different from the story most are familiar with.

 


While Batman adopted the no killing philosophy a decade before the Comic Code was implemented, the Code may have influenced the shift in Superman’s character. Whatever the case, the rule helped give form to the “Boy Scout” standing for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

 

After Superman and Batman incorporated the No Kill Rule, it became a standard part of superhero comics. Even Marvel Comics implemented it. “With great power comes great responsibility”Uncle Ben tells young Peter Parker.

 

Guys like Wolverine and the Punisher, however, get a pass. They’re exceptions. I say that because I believe it comes down to the perception of the hero and what he/she means to readers and audiences.

 

A NEW BREED OF ROLE MODEL

 

Yes, these characters weren’t real and it was impossible for a man to break the sound barrier on foot, but superheroes set examples, nonetheless. Simply put, the publishers presented them as role models. Well, some of them were.

 

As mentioned, the Punisher and Wolverine or even Deadpool should be considered the exception. In my humble opinion, comics like theirs serve as dark, “no mercy for the wicked”, wish fulfillment. But these characters weren’t meant to set examples. One doesn’t consider, “what would Castle do”, and then go out and act on it. At least, I hope not.
 


Take a character like Wonder Woman. Despite how poorly written she was at times, she was still a symbol of strength female, (and male), readers could look up to. Youths identified with Peter Parker because he was, arguably, the most similar to the people buying comics. While his actions were fantastically heroic, some of them were still obtainable.

 

Superheroes spoke to man’s inherent desire to do good. To better ourselves. The stories about intergalactic wars or infinite Earths were purely science fiction but they incorporated very human themes. Themes we could relate to and carry with us.

 

But, as the past 75 years have proven, times do change.

 

SUPERHEROES IN A MODERN WORLD

 

Comic books aren’t “just for kids” anymore. Readers are older and the good vs evil tales of yesteryear won’t suffice. Writers and artists are expected to deliver stories that better reflect the times we live in. Such was the case during World War II and the war in Vietnam.
 

Today, in this Call of Duty generation, there doesn’t appear to be a role for the role model. The popular characters seem to be the ones willing to get their hands dirty. Heroes who see the world in gray rather than black and white.




Some might attribute this to “post 9/11” but I respectfully disagree. Wolverine, Batman, Daredevil - these guys were more popular than do-gooders like Superman long before 2001.

 

Nowadays, it’s like everything has to be “grounded”. It’s about “realism” which, apparently, requires showing our heroes are willing to visit that horrible dark place every now and then. Again, I disagree.

 

I don’t consider Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight the holy grail of comic book movies like others do but what I did love was Batman’s need to protect Harvey Dent’s image. Best scene in the movie for me is when Batman stops Harvey’s “interrogation” of the goon in the alley. He explains if anyone saw this, everything they worked for would be undone.

“You’re the symbol of hope I can never be”.

Even though he had snapped and went all wrathful, maintaining the perception of Harvey as Gotham’s “white knight” was paramount.

 

I’ve got no problem with stories reflecting the times, or painting a cynical world. But you don’t have to sacrifice the characters to do so. I bring up Superman again, mainly because the No Kill Rule is most synonymous with him. It’s one of the key elements that makes him heroic.

The idea of an all-powerful alien being arriving on Earth and throwing his weight around is already scary enough. If he uses that power to kill, even if they are the bad guys, he’s established as someone willing to make the decision to dole out punishment as he deems necessary. At that point he’s no longer scary, he’s downright terrifying. He becomes an executioner. Someone to be feared, and rightfuly so. 
 

 

It’s suggested if the hero kills, that makes him/her like the evil they’re protecting the world from. I agree to an extent. It doesn’t make them like the evil. It does, however, make them like the villain.

 

Magneto and Ra’s Al Ghul believe in their causes, be it protecting mutant kind or maintaining balance in the world at all cost. You can argue both are just. But their respective universes view these two as villains. No, murder or manslaughter doesn’t make heroes automatically evil, but it does leave little else that separates them from the likes of Magneto and Ra’s.

 

Some of you may insist there are actual moments when the hero has no choice but to put the villain down for the long sleep. Does the hero have a choice? Maybe. The writer? Abso-fricken-lutely.

 

A TIME TO KILL
 


I’ve seen this point brought up here several times and I couldn’t agree more - everything comes down to the writer. Comics, film, television. The characters are at the mercy of the writers.

 

Wonder Woman kills Maxwell Lord because the writer wanted her to not because it was her only option. Daredevil kills Bullseye in Shadowland because thats how the script was written.

 

The arguments I hear about superheroes killing are usually within the context of the story. But the bigger issue is the people essentially playing God with these heroes’ lives. The decision to make them kill is too easy. It’s intended for shock value. To “shake things up”. To make the story “gritty” and “realistic”.


There are rare occasions, and I do mean RARE, when it’s handled well and actually strengthens the character, (John Byrne in 1988).

But most of the time the characters are left tainted…until their title is relaunched and/or everything is retconned.

 

People can say it’s meant to show the tough decisions these characters are forced to make or how heavy of a burden they carry.

But bloodying their hands, so to speak, isn’t the best or only way to illustrate that.

Setting up two catastrophes, forcing the hero to decide who lives and who dies is effective when a writer commits to it and doesn’t cop out by saving everyone.

 

Let’s view the instances where superheroes are made to kill for what they are - a choice by a writer who doesn’t believe in a No Kill Code. Perhaps in their attempt to “add depth” or make them “more interesting”, they don't consider it killing or are unaware the hero just killed someone.

 

I’ve always believed the stronger, more difficult route is finding a way for the hero not to kill the villain. Which leads us to another popular argument - by killing the villain now the hero is saving lives in the future. Thus, making him/her responsible for every life lost afterwards, if the bad guy is spared.

That's on the writers, too.

 

The above notion is based on the idea mankind is powerless against these super villains. But that isn’t entirely true. Submitted for your approval…
 


Prisons like The Vault and Belle Reve suggest man not only has the means to incarcerate super villains but they’re bound by our laws or there’s a judicial system in place specifically for them.

 

There are 32 states in the U.S. that enforce Capital Punishment. If humans can be sentenced to death, doesn’t it stand to reason superhumans can be, too?

 

Suggesting superheroes kill in the first place means these bad guys aren’t invincible. They can die. With characters like Amanda Waller, there’s bound to be a voice claiming we don't have to rely on so called heroes to do something about superpowered repeat offenders. We can do it ourselves.

Hey, if writers can find a way for an undiscriminating alien virus to turn superheroes into flesh eating zombies, they can come up with a death penalty for super villains.

 

Maybe a mutant, alien or human carries within him/her a gene lethal to supers. Some brilliant mind like Lex Luthor or Reed Richards discovers it. A serum is created from the blood. Bam! SuperDeath by gas or lethal injection. Let’s see what happens when man starts executing “gods”. *BTW, if this story exists, please point me in the right direction.*

 

IN CLOSING

 



This isn’t a call for the days where every story has a happy ending. When the bad guys were locked up and the hero and sidekick laughed over a lame pun at the villains’ expense.

By all means, show us how hard it is being a superhero. They don’t have to be perfect. They don’t have to have all the answers, making the right decision all the time. They can be flawed and complex. Just don’t sacrifice the character in the process.

 

It's been said before - the powers or the saving people isn't what makes superheroes special. It’s the people themselves. Diana Prince, Steve Rogers, Clark Kent, these are exceptional people. In Thor and Green Lantern, the individual has to be worthy before they can wield power.

 

Some insist these characters need to be relatable and that means making superheroes more like us. And showing they’re willing to take a life seemingly plays a part in that. But I ask - if you make superheroes just like us, what’s left for man to aspire to?

 

What do you guys think? How do you feel about superheroes crossing the line? Sound off below and, as always, thanks for reading!

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Wolf38
Wolf38 - 11/20/2014, 10:14 PM
I agree, very well written, great read. That being said...

"But I ask - if you make superheroes just like us, what’s left for man to aspire to?"

From my perspective, you can only aspire to something that is possible. Thus, a character who visibly struggles, as we all do, and demonstrates growth, is the greatest source of inspiration. Someone who is like you, but has improved his or her self, that is something to aspire to.

And for what it's worth, I have never once felt that Man of Steel compromised Superman's character.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 11/20/2014, 11:17 PM
Every once in a while there is an editorial that comes around that truly is great writing, engaging topic, and makes me proud to be a Comic Book Man. My lad, you have done it. Great article.

I honestly live by: What would Steven Rogers do?

I always believed how can someone cross the line if they don't think there is a line. Everyone has their own way of comprehending. Whether it is morals, ethics, information, etc. We all make a decision and pay the consequences, and that includes the consequences from society, not just personally. Our actions not only effect our family and friends, but also effect the rest of the world. Whether it be something major or small. Cutting someone off in traffic breeds negative energy into the world, butterfly effect.

I in no way condone what Frank Castle does, but I can completely understand why he does it. Is it right?, it is until society as a whole decides he has crossed the line. We set the bar, and continue to move it to fit our belief, all while others who think other wise do the same. It's Pandora's box. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Again great article, really enjoyed it.
MarkyMarkRises
MarkyMarkRises - 11/20/2014, 11:51 PM
Great editorial.

Hope the MOS haters give this a read.
acheronmagnuz
acheronmagnuz - 11/21/2014, 12:22 AM
@Wolf38

Agreed. I think one of the reason why MOS was good is because it didn't start from a perfect Superman.

There is a lot of thing that can be improved in the future movies and I believe that we will see the Superman that most of us look up to in the future movies.
acheronmagnuz
acheronmagnuz - 11/21/2014, 12:23 AM
Good read. The article was able to convey message in a non-objectionable manner. Thumbs Up!
TheStranger
TheStranger - 11/21/2014, 12:30 AM
"It’s suggested if the hero kills, that makes him/her like the evil they’re protecting the world from. I agree to an extent. It doesn’t make them like the evil. It does, however, make them like the villain."

Actions have context though. Just because he killed doesn't mean he's evil. Are you going to call a Police Officer evil when he kills someone that is aiming a gun at an innocent family. Likewise nobody should be going ape over Superman killing Zod after begging him not to force him to.

Justice isn't pretty. It's just a simple necessity within society. If you don't have justice, then evil is never punished. If evil is never punished then you have a weak court system that nobody fears. Which is what is commonly happening in America today. More and more lawyers are getting people off, and judges are slapping criminals on the wrist. Letting child molesters and murderers back on the street because they don't have the courage to see justice through. Justice isn't locking someone away in prison, that was originally conceived as a way to get a criminal off the street so they couldn't do evil during a period of time. It was never meant as a form of total punishment. Instead judges who have no stomach for their job use it as a total form of punishment and it has become a new way for gangs to recruit and evil has figured out how to fully take advantage of the bleeding heart. I'm not saying kill every criminal, but anyone like say...the Joker, should be dealt a quick and decisive death via the courts. To let a mass murdering serial killer live that is capable of what he is, that is the true sin, justice should have been served long ago. There is no justice in letting him continue to live and murder innocent people.

"In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy it is necessary to act outside the law-to pursue…natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment." -The Punisher
McGee
McGee - 11/21/2014, 12:43 AM
Some of my friends didn't agree with the conclusion of Superman's battle with General Zod.

One of the many things I liked about Man of Steel is that even after Superman killed Zod...they made it clear that even he didn't agree with what he had just did. That's exactly what his reaction would be in the comics.

I'd be genuinely surprised if this isn't explored even more in the next movie.

Good article.
LordDaredevil
LordDaredevil - 11/21/2014, 12:49 AM
I've always found the idea of a hero crossing the line interesting, but moreso, the emotional repercussions of that line being crossed. I really do hope that Clark's scream at the end of MoS wasn't the extent of the reaction that he had. I want to see him with PTSD over what he's done. I want him to vent to Bruce about the guilt he feels over taking a life. I don't want it to be something this universe glosses ovee. It needs to be a defining moment that affects Superman for the rest of his life. The moment where he vowed to never make that choice again, because he knows that to be a hero he can't have blood on his hands.
Battabing
Battabing - 11/21/2014, 12:56 AM
I'm not sure we should even be comparing the justice seen in comic books to those of real life.

In the comics, it doesn't make sense to kill the villain because one way or another the villain comes back. And in a universe where villains can be shut up in another dimension or a prison planet the hero just has more options.

I don't mind that heroes like Wonder Woman and Aquaman kill. They often face mythological monsters, so the way to deal with them is to kill them. Even so, Wonder Woman was famous for reforming her villains. The reason she didn't have much of a rogues gallery was because she was always making allies of them. This notion that she just runs in and starts chopping everybody up is some bullshit that Geoff Johns came up with recently, and if you read Azzarello's Wonder Woman, she was not like that.
But recently, it seems as though Johns has moved away from that and towards a more classic characterization of Wonder Woman.

Now when we talk about the movies it should be accepted that your villain has to die or be permanently contained. The general movie audiences are not predominantly fanboys. They're simply not going to buy into this ridiculous song and dance of throwing the villain in jail only to have him escape again and again to commit increasingly heinous crimes. The hero will get away with that only one time before he loses credibility. It's why 95% of these villains in CBMs get killed. Nobody wants to see Batman chasing Joker around every other film because he broke free of Arkham. At some point they'll ask why this guy operating outside the law just doesn't kill the killer clown?
McGee
McGee - 11/21/2014, 12:59 AM
@ TheDarkKryptonian

I'm willing to bet money via PayPal that that's exactly what we're gonna see. Clark having horrific memories of the event and venting to Bruce Wayne about what happened. I'm pretty sure we won't see him kill again either.
Battabing
Battabing - 11/21/2014, 1:02 AM
If Superman didn't kill Zod, I'd have cocked an eyebrow.
Even though I maintain that Zod committed suicide by cop, Kal was a soldier in this instance, and left with the choice between Zod's life and that of innocent people he rightly killed Zod. It wasn't the easy way out for him because we know he didn't want to do it, and his reaction to what he did made that clear.
cimmerian
cimmerian - 11/21/2014, 1:03 AM
Now this is worth reading! Great article, twistedkingdom!

Battabing
Battabing - 11/21/2014, 1:07 AM
@McGee,

You're right. Snyder specifically said the event with Zod is what leads Superman to swear off killing; to always find another way. They just wanted to show in Man of Steel where the idea of the "no kill policy" came from, much the same way John Byrne did it in his Man of Steel title.
AgentCoulson
AgentCoulson - 11/21/2014, 1:17 AM
Agree with chimerian, awesome editorial, salute to twistedking!
Equivocal
Equivocal - 11/21/2014, 1:35 AM
McGee
McGee - 11/21/2014, 1:55 AM
You guys will rue the day you made me get serious.

Peace out, you sumbitches!

Battabing
Battabing - 11/21/2014, 2:15 AM
@Jedi,

Superman "fans" should also know that Superman has killed before in the Golden and Silver Ages. The only reason this stopped is because of censorship neutering and the dawn of the Comics Code which came about when people like Morrison and Waid were growing up.

Otherwise, Superman was pretty notorious for pushing wife beaters out of high rise windows and throwing burglars across the city to their deaths.
There is no one true way to depict Superman. If there were, it would be the way his creators depicted him.
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 11/21/2014, 8:19 AM
Great, great editorial. thumbs up from me
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 11/21/2014, 8:23 AM
Regarding Superman, I do have a soft spot for the Silver Age golden-boy version of the character whose "most sacred oath" (according to Alan Moore) is not to take a life. However I do think it's interesting to place Superman in an un-winnable situation like he was in Man of Steel

it's just that Man of Steel handled it kind of clumsily. There's no prior buildup for that moment, and no mention of it in any following scene. It's just something that happens, and that kind of bothered me
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 11/21/2014, 8:24 AM
And no, Zod's "You die or I do!" line doesn't count as buildup. It's a single, throwaway line
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 11/21/2014, 10:17 AM
Thanks for the read, guys! I appreciate the thumbs!

@Wolf38

I’ve always felt the process of bettering one’s self is an ongoing one. You never truly obtain your goal, mainly because of mistakes made along the way. Superheroes are often finished products, which real people aren’t. Still, some chose to follow their examples. I believe one gains more aspiring for something beyond their reach. Because it’s the effort put forth that pays off rather than the destination.

@TheAxiom

Well said! If I may add, I feel there’s a perception that the material can’t be taken seriously unless the tone is serious. Because some believe serious = mature.

@JediPhilospher

I wasn’t happy with Clark’s character in MoS, either. I came to terms with the film by accepting it as Snyder & Co’s interpretation of the property. Not a direct one. I believe they were going for something closer to New 52 over the traditional Silver and Bronze Age. Which is disappointing.

I agree the traditional Superman generations of audiences grew up with would work. It would even make for a compelling story if treated the same way as Action Comics 775. It’s basically about the morally sound Superman we all know existing in a world were the public prefers heroes who kill. There’d be all kinds of social commentary up in that beast.

@Pending

“This new approach of extremely flawed and "complex" superheroes just feels like an excuse to bring these superheroes down to our level in order for us to feel justified in our own failings.”

I always saw it as - Superheroes were meant to change the world, not the world change them. It’s a testament to their beliefs and conviction.
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