"[It's] Not Because The Books Are 'Too Woke'": ULTIMATES Writer Explains Why Ultimate Universe Is Ending

"[It's] Not Because The Books Are 'Too Woke'": ULTIMATES Writer Explains Why Ultimate Universe Is Ending

When Marvel Comics announced that the Ultimate Universe would end after next year's Ultimate Endgame, many fans assumed it was just a gimmick. Now, Ultimates writer Deniz Camp has set the record straight.

By JoshWilding - Oct 18, 2025 05:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: Bleeding Cool

At New York Comic Con, Marvel Comics confirmed that the Ultimate Universe will end next year with the Ultimate Endgame event. While fans initially rolled their eyes and braced themselves for another relaunch, it has since been confirmed that this is it for the popular line.

Marvel Comics President Dan Buckley recently reflected on breaking the news to Ultimate Spider-Man scribe Jonathan Hickman, suggesting it came as a surprise to the architect behind this universe (and the writer responsible for introducing a Peter Parker who has finally grown up).

The publisher reportedly decided to tell a story with a beginning, middle, and end, though many fans are convinced that Hickman somehow had the rug pulled out from under him. Now, Ultimates writer Deniz Camp has taken to social media (via Bleeding Cool) to clear things up. 

"It's not fake news, but it's a sensationalistic headline that misses a lot of the nuance," he shared. "It implies people are getting pushed out, which I don't think is the case (from everything I've heard/everyone I've talked to). [Hickman] just didn't think Marvel would be bold enough to do this. [He's] very supportive of, and excited for, this, I know that for sure."

Camp added, "It's true that the original plan was not to 'end' the universe. A lot of my run is setting up characters I hoped would go on past me. I think I've made that clear and obvious. BUT. John was ending his run at 24; that was always the case. He was done. Peach [Momoko] and Bryan [Edward Hill] were both ending their stories when the Maker got out as well. That was their decision."

Explaining that the idea was for each title to only run for 24 issues, he said Ultimate Wolverine was planned as a 12-parter but got extended to 16. Even with that, Ultimate Black Panther, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Ultimate X-Men wrapping up, Camp confirmed that he hoped to continue writing Ultimates.

"Ultimates would have continued and new books launched (I was pushing for Hawkeye, Guardians was discussed, etc). This was all very vague. But then, Wil Moss came to me and said, 'Hey, I think we're going to end it. End it end it,'" the writer explained. "This was a long time ago, at least a year before now, I think, but I'd have to check."

"Not because the books are 'too woke' (if it were that, they'd interfere with the writing of it, which they haven't) or because the main line is jealous (this is silly, money is money to them), but because everything seemed to be coming to a natural conclusion."

It's not the worst idea in the world to end the Ultimate Universe while the going is good. The original line suffered from dragging on for far too long and ended up relying on shocking, largely unpopular events to keep readers interested. By the time Earth 1610 ended, it came as more of a relief than anything else.

Marvel Comics will likely revisit the Ultimate Universe somewhere down the line, albeit in a different form (especially as DC Comics' Absolute Universe line is doing big sales numbers). 

Stay tuned for updates on the Ultimate Universe and Ultimate Endgame as we have them.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/18/2025, 5:16 AM

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Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 9:44 AM
@harryba11zack - Well I stopped reading Mabel years ago because they became too “woke” and went on a gender/race swap crazy to replace their most popular characters for no rational reason other than “the agenda.” I don’t know if these comics were “woke” because I didn’t read them, but I expect they were based on modern Marvel/Disney
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/18/2025, 1:18 PM
@Bucky74 - same thing happened in movies no one payed attention or care about black kang movie white kang comics I stopped with comic all together it’s same stories over an over agin goood vs bad goood wins different characters ?si=LFHDIWMc1MCnluSg
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 5:59 PM
@Bucky74 - That must have been when Stan and Jack took over right?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 6:00 PM
@ObserverIO - My bad, they were kinda woke in the golden age too.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 6:56 PM
@ObserverIO - Nope, those were great stories, and they weren't pushing agendas despite what you want to believe. I've been reading comics for decades, and the shift is obvious and pathetic.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 6:59 PM
@ObserverIO - Not at all. Having stories with Social Issues alone doesn't make them "woke," but having social issues as the main focus with their Leftist political slant absolutely does. Remember when Superman was for Truth, Justice, and the American way? Yeah, I do, and comics were much better back then.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/18/2025, 7:06 PM
@ObserverIO - Yes. I'm pretty sure Stan Lee was a They/Them.

Look at how [frick]ing ridiculous that is - and for YEARS those [frick]ing dingbats tried to say it was normal.

A [frick]ing single person 'feels' like a plural pronoun. GTFO with that shit.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 7:07 PM
@Bucky74 - "Having social issues as the main focus with their Leftist political slant" You mean like the anti-nazi propaganda of the golden age? "Pushing agendas" is very much what Stan was all about.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 7:17 PM
@Batmangina - We don't disagree. We would just like to point out that we are not the one with a mangina.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 7:18 PM
@ObserverIO - That was completely different. That was patriotic pro-American propaganda against an evil that was trying to take over the world. It wasn't divisive race and gender swaps and LGBTQ^(&&^%$#@ and anti-America everything to social engineer society.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 7:24 PM
@Bucky74 - Sorry, I forgot that to some people the definition of woke is ever-changing to suit whatever they don't like.

smh I could actually hear you pop an embalism as you typed that. Turn off the news, breathe and drink a glass of water before someone mentions the 6th of January. Antifa can't get you. You're safe indoors.

Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/18/2025, 7:39 PM
@ObserverIO - I was bitten by a radioactive Gender Studies Professor
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 7:48 PM
@ObserverIO - What’s funny is you are so brainwashed you don’t even realize that it’s you guys (or, er, they/thems) who are obsessed with that stuff and see everything through and skin color or gender lens
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 7:48 PM
@Batmangina - Lol, I spit out my coffee with that one!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/19/2025, 4:59 AM
@Bucky74 - Uh huh, brainwashed. I see everything on terms of skin color and gender. Except that I don't and that couldn't be further from the truth.

What have I been brainwashed into thinking exactly?
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/19/2025, 9:55 AM
@ObserverIO - That replacing good stories and great characters with race/gender swaps and gay romances does not ruin a product mostly geared toward adult heterosexual men.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/19/2025, 5:58 PM
@Bucky74 - Oh THAT'S what I've been brainwashed into thinking.

You ever stop to wonder whether you've been brainwashed into thinking that "Wokism" has ruined comics?
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/19/2025, 10:05 PM
@ObserverIO - Never, because it’s ruined them for me
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/19/2025, 10:06 PM
@ObserverIO - And judging by the terrible sales, I’m not alone
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/20/2025, 3:23 AM
@Bucky74 - Can you think of one example of why a comic has been ruined for you because it was woke?
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/20/2025, 9:10 AM
@ObserverIO - Replacing Thor with Jane as Thor. Replacing Wolverine with Laura, making Bobby Drake AKA Ice Man gay after decades of him being straight. DC and Marvel Doing issues that bash Trump and promote open borders, etc.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/20/2025, 6:02 PM
@Bucky74 - The Jason Aaron Thor run was great though. Sorry if Jane being Thor ruined it for you, but even that particular part of the story was really well done and added so much rather than taking anything away.

I never read the Laura Wolverine stuff, but whether she's officially Wolverine or not she actually is Wolverine anyway because she's literally a clone of him. Also a great character and the movies Logan and Deadpool & Wolverine wouldn't be the same without her.

Making Ice Man gay seemed to come out of left field It doesn't seem to track for me at all, but I guess 616 is full of retcons and continuity inconsistencies. I can't think of single story that this element ruined though.

And as far as DC doing political commentary goes, that's a comics tradition and Trump is fair game. Sure you like him, but there's a dude on this site that loves Hitler but he doesn't let the anti-Nazi commentary of the golden age ruin his enjoyment of those stories and characters.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/20/2025, 6:04 PM
Also, Marvel and DC have been satirizing Trump since the '80s with Kingpin and post-Crisis Luthor.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/20/2025, 6:27 PM
@ObserverIO - Nobody loves actual Hitler. Laura is already a good character, X 23. No need for her to replce Logan. And if I'm reading a Thor comic, I want Thor not a swap out IMO
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/20/2025, 6:35 PM
@Bucky74 - Eva Braun loved Hitler. So did his niece and his mom and lots of his devout followers.

X23 is Wolverine.

Thor was still Thor in that run. He was Thor the Unworthy for a while. That whole run is cool as shit.

Also Hitler [frick]ed his niece. That has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I just thought it was really weird and I wanted to share that with you. He [frick]ed his own niece. That's messed up.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/20/2025, 7:05 PM
@ObserverIO - Sick. I’d never heard that. I know they made Laura Wolverine a few times but Logan is the only Wolverine I recognize. X 23 is a good enough character on her own. No need to replace Logan. I don’t even like when the made Dick Batman. Bruce is Batman. With the exception of maybe Black Widow, characters are more than their titles.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/20/2025, 7:29 PM
@Bucky74 - I'm really not a big fan of replacement heroes either. With some characters like Blue Beetle or Green Lantern it's built in, but with classics like Batman and Cap it can be fun sometimes but you have to return to the originals as a default. You just have to.

What I mean by X23 is Wolverine though is that she's literally him like Ben Reilly is Peter Parker. They're clones.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/20/2025, 8:39 PM
@ObserverIO - I get that and agree. I don’t mind the swap for a short run either, but heroes are more than their power and names. Their identities are a part of the character.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 10/18/2025, 5:25 AM
Gotta make room for all the 💩 💩 💩 no one wanted...
Antitrollpatrol
Antitrollpatrol - 10/18/2025, 10:34 AM
@KennKathleen - I will say I'd rather have a satisfying ending than pushing the stories past the point of being mediocre at best. The ultimates has been very refreshing. Hopefully they replace it with something good bc regular universe comics have been crappy for a while.
TK420
TK420 - 10/18/2025, 6:23 AM
The fact anyone buys/reads this trash is beyond comprehension.
Ryan
Ryan - 10/18/2025, 7:00 AM
Go to BleedingCool and read the whole letter. Deniz Camp spent time and thought writting it and addressing people's opinions and concerns on the line concluding.
kseven
kseven - 10/18/2025, 7:05 AM
It's because it's been out edgied by the Absolute line
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/18/2025, 9:20 AM

It sucks. Let it die.

Bucky74
Bucky74 - 10/18/2025, 9:46 AM
The only “modern” comics I buy now are the fun crossovers where you have stuff like Superman and Godzilla throwing down.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 10/18/2025, 12:15 PM
Peach Momoko has been an absolute workhorse this past few years with U X-Men, she still finds time to do covers for other books and work on all those Marvel Rivals collabs. It's a shame Ultimates didn't keep going as the launching pad for a phase 2 of the Ultimate Universe.
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/18/2025, 1:19 PM
@1stDalek - think she cheap do work with see her work all over marvel dc and indie comics
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/18/2025, 12:37 PM
I woke up this morning fans knew it will happen once it was made it’s return this soon ? What’s point
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