Editorial: Movies vs. Projects

Editorial: Movies vs. Projects

A look into how you view and critique long-gestating films as projects instead of whole movies.

Editorial Opinion
By BattlinMurdock - Jun 14, 2012 01:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Before I begin, let me join the thousands who have praised David Hughes' book, "The Greatest Sci-Fi Movies Never Made." It's that book (having been published now for quite some time) that inspired this editorial. If you can't stand that book, prepare to loathe yourself for reading this article. If you happen to love it, you're just a good person in general.

Since the opening of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films, numerous movies have crossed the line of being "previously unfilmable." Since 2009 alone, we've been given two prominent films that have stood out after having a legacy of being projects that went through more stages of development hell than Mr. Freeze had puns in "Batman & Robin": Watchmen and John Carter of Mars.

Watchmen's debut in '09 was met with praise from the general audience and mixed views from critics. John Carter of Mars was recently met with mixed feelings from pretty much everyone, and an opening box office that would make even the Green Lantern shudder.

But the question that I want to ask is not "Why are these films bad or not met with the same respect as their literary mediums?" but rather, do we look past the movie itself, into territory the movie cannot help but be a part of? I'm not talking about a "film." I'm talking about a "project."

You've already seen a project once this year. It starred that guy from Gothika, the muscle-bound teen from Cellular, the young girl from The Man Who Wasn't There, a guy who hates flying with (as TV censorship states) "monkey-fried snakes on a Monday to Friday plane," and a director with a cult following large enough to take over New Hampshire. It was this one:



Now what makes this movie so successful? The fact that it's a film or a project? There's no doubt that if you strip away the years of development, of back story, of marketing, and of hype that you're still left with a film that met the needs of an audience seeking to be vastly entertained. In fact, Rottentomatoes.com's final consensus has to this to say:



In that statement, (aside from the comment about "living up to its hype") the consensus of the site makes an affinity of the movie on its own cinematic terms. While that statement may not speak for the rest of the reviews, it is an excellent example of a brief review of a movie, not a project.

Now we look at what Joss Whedon has to say at the start of almost every Marvel Exclusive about the Avengers: "What we're doing here is completely unprecedented." And he's right. Because he's referring to the movie as a project; not a film. He's referring to the tireless effort of bringing together a cinematic universe instead of merely producing a long-standing film about The Avengers.

If it helps, look at it this way: Imagine that when you saw The Avengers, it was the first time any of the heroes had appeared onscreen as themselves. Downey Jr.'s Iron Man's debut is fixing a cord at the bottom of the Hudson, instead of riding in the desert with the military as seen in "Iron Man." Without the other movies, that version of The Avengers is simply a film. And, according to a majority, it's a good film. But it's unaffected from the fact that it stems from an ongoing project.

Let's shift gears here and talk about the Brit with the Grit: Christopher Nolan.



Nolan's the second director to issue us with a trilogy of superhero films (the first belonging to Spider-Man director Sam Raimi) and his conclusion to the Batman legend hits cinemas soon. It's one of (if not the) most anticipated films of the year; but you must ask yourself on what merit.

Nolan's not been shy to say all three movies tell a complete arc for the Batman character, a difference in Raimi's trilogy, and that issues in the debate for: Is The Dark Knight Rises a project, or a film? For this answer, we look to Nolan's last outing in Gotham City with "The Dark Knight."

"The Dark Knight," when released, was met with universal praise (higher than that of Nolan's first try at the cowl with "Batman Begins." That being said, tragedy also struck on set with the passing of the late Heath Ledger portraying what many have said is one of the greatest literary villains of all time. Not the Penguin.

"The Dark Knight" does not make its home-run play by acting like a sequel. In fact, many have said (including Whedon) that the film somewhat abandons Batman as its crux. In doing so, it continues the Batman arc from a different perspective, allowing it to be a newer, fresher, and different film. One that could be set apart from the trilogy if need be. In this sense, "The Dark Knight" is more a film than a project.

When it comes to "The Dark Knight Rises," however, we are met with the idea that this is the "end of Nolan's Batman mythos." By claiming that, the film, even though Nolan has been adamant that no mention of the Joker will be made, is directly and completely tied TDKR to TDK. Its identity is a sequel. It ultimately begins to become a project.

People could say before "The Dark Knight" came out they were going to go see the "new Batman movie." For "The Dark Knight Rises," it's likely that they'll say, "Nolan's last Batman movie."



Unlike the James Bond films where characters may come and go, the Bond films rarely act as sequels. When the actors appear, we know who they are and what they've done in previous films, but continuity may not be an issue. In some Bond films, 007 grieves the loss of his wife. In others, it's almost as if he were never wed. Bond is not treated with character arcs because his films are not treated as sequels. The upcoming film "Skyfall" is highly anticipated because of the pedigree of the cast and crew. Not because of any of its ties to previous Bond movies.

Where did "Prometheus" fall short? While many claim that the movie suffered from an ill (not the 90s definition of "ill") third act (which I will agree with), did it ultimately suffer in part to its connection to the legendary Alien films? Were expectations shot too high because of its status as a project, and not a movie? Once again, we turn to rottentomatoes' final assessment:



As a film, there are seemingly obvious flaws, but as a project, the movie seems to have bitten off more than it can chew.

So, here is my question to you, as viewers:

Are you able to distinguish the aspects of a good film from the anticipation of a project? Was John Carter of Mars a failure (not speaking financially) because of decades of being a property unable to be filmed, until ultimately no one could be pleased with the final result? Was Watchmen forgotten because it offered a frame-by-frame likeness, excelling as a project well-done, but as a cinematic "meh?"

As we await the releases of "The Dark Knight Rises," "Skyfall," "The Hobbit," and many others, on what terms will you enjoy them? As a stand-alone movie? As a long-gestating project? Or possibly both, like The Avengers proved to be?
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BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 6/14/2012, 1:49 PM
Project . . Movie . . Film . . Same thing
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 6/14/2012, 2:25 PM
So if I look at john carter as. Project then it won't be boring anymore? Doesn't make any sense. Whatever you want to call it, it doesn't change if a movie is good or not.
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 6/14/2012, 2:51 PM
What you are talking bout then s just personal expectations. I'm a huge Terminator fan, so yea Salvation was a let down. It had big shoes to fill, and failed. John Carter, I have no pervious experience with. Just went in cold and was bored by it. Nothing to do with any kind of legendary proportions. Though I'm sure there are fans f the books that could have been let down because it wasn't what they expected. It's natural for people to do this. We build things up in out minds because of what we expect based on what came before or what is the source material.
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 6/14/2012, 7:25 PM
The problem is that those other examples are not an intended destination of the original movies. James Cameron didn't maker the first Terminator with a goal in mind to develop this story culminating with Salvation. Alien ressuredtion is the same deal. These are just sequels made years later to bank on previous success. Marvel has a plan that culminated with the Avenegers. That you could argue was part of a"project." As far as movies like Watchmen and John Carter goes, these are just adaptations of books. Not projects either. I get what you're saying. I just thing your Examples are not so great. Maybe a better example would have been the Star Wars prequels or something like Lord of the Rings. Planned out series of movies. In the case of Star Wars, having already 3 other movies that have a huge fan following. Also, project is a common term used to describe a movie.
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 6/15/2012, 6:04 AM
In the case of Lord of the Rings, people complained that Fellowship didnt really have a definitive ending, and that it merely set the scene for Two Towers. In that sense, I see where you're coming from. Would Fellowship have worked as well if it wasn't part of a series...? With sequels and prequels etc, there is an existing theme and world already established which we can reference and we tend to see the series as a whole rather than the individual films. For example, the Star Wars saga, the Spiderman trilogy, the Alien series... we overlook the weaker installments for the sake of the overall journey. I think its for this reason that John Carter, Green Lantern (which I actually liked) etc struggled - because they are not (yet) part of an established series and so struggled to drum up much interest in the first place, and then suffered from not being particularly well-liked by those who did see them. Caedus out.
dcfanmalaysia
dcfanmalaysia - 6/15/2012, 8:41 AM
I get the gist of the writer, and this article. Basically, it's the hype and status of the movie versus the actual movie itself

Taking Prometheus as an example, I believe fans were disappointed that the movie didn't offer them what they expected (eg xenomorphs, facehuggers, chestbusters, direct connection to space jockey etc). On it's own though, Prometheus is a brilliant sci-fi movie, with some very thought provoking issues, which encourage further thinking and discussion to be well comprehended. There were minor blips in the screenplay, which could be overlooked.

John Carter was fun as well, though it might have seemed pretty ordinary to fans of Edgar Rice Burroughs, as they would have expected something out of the world, on a level of Avatar (which was indirectly inspired by John Carter)

On the other hand, Green Lantern, on its own, was a poor movie, with certain salvageable aspects, such as Mark Strong's performance, Geoffrey Rush etc. But as a DC film, it did manage to garner some hype, and attract fans of the Justice League to watch the movie.

Personally, I would say that a movie should be appreciated on its own merit, rather than the project itself.

MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/15/2012, 11:20 AM
Nice Read, but I think you guys are over thinking this a bit. I really think that it just comes down to whether or not a movie is good or bad. Period.

The question: What makes a movie good or not when there are literally 7 billion different opinions on this planet? The answer: A) How well the movie lives up to the promise it made in the preview. B) How competently the movie tells its story. Answer B is actually very ambiguous, depending on the the promise made in the previews. i.e. If Transformers didn't have HUGE action scenes at the end, FAIL. IF Ace Ventura or Naked Gun didn't have over the top comedy, FAIL. If the actors in Godfather or Goodfellas couldn't sell the high drama, FAIL. These things I think would fall more into your "Movie" category.

I think that Answer A falls more in your "Project" category. Promise made by the preview could be a lot of things. With Batman, the Director. With Iron Man, the Actor. SpiderMan 2, the promise of being a sequel. Etc, etc, etc.

If a movie falls in to only one of the categories, it the movies own fault. A great example of this would be X-Men: First Class. A) It failed in the promise made in the previews to be a prequel to the popular X-Men franchise(Prroject). B) As a stand alone film, it was actually very well made and was entertaining(Movie).
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/15/2012, 12:31 PM
Can A fan's preconceived(before a preview, even) expectations make or break a film for them...? I don't think so as long as it is a good movie. I think that is all that most people really care about. If anything, I think that a fans love for the source material is more likely to help them enjoy a poor movie than sinking a good movie. Most People decide at the preview weather or not a movie is their "cup of tea".

Look at Nolan's Batman. It's a big departure from the source material. If asked at the time, I don't think many big fans of Batman would have preferred quite that style of film, much less the director of momento. But it was a good movie, so all was well.

As far as the films you mentioned above, the ones I saw had flaws that effected how well they worked as movies.
Watchmen - They tried to get as much of the comic in the movie as possible and the story in the film lacked focus.
Green Lantern - Poor editing, anticlimactic ending, shoehorned love story.
Prometheus - Last act of the film contradicted the story and tone of the first 2 acts.



Gerrit
Gerrit - 6/15/2012, 3:03 PM
The way I see it this article deals not with the hype but with the misconceptions about what the movie is. The Avengers has the sucess it has because most people got hyped for the right reasons. Not just because it is a projet but because it is judged according to the right criteria.
Prometheus has a "poor" RT score and reception because a lot of idiots think it is supposed to answer questions when it isn't. People claim that not answering questions is bad but it isn't. They judge the movie according to the wrong criteria.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/16/2012, 12:12 PM
See unfortunately (reflected in most of the above comments) - not a lot of people care about how much effort was put into the project before it went to the chopping block and became a theatrical release. The Director's Cut of any film will almost always get a good response from fans, but the rest just see it as a continuation of a film they didn't like.

Watchmen was a masterpiece apart from Dan and Laurie, and Snyder's faithfulness to the story frame for frame with only a few minor changes or omissions - is completely lost on audiences who don't like the idea in the first place.
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