Is The Avenger's Film Gonna Work? I'm Not Convinced

Is The Avenger's Film Gonna Work? I'm Not Convinced

I have a hard time believing that Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man exists in the same world as Thor and Captain America? Here's why...

Editorial Opinion
By FatsMcLemlich - Jul 28, 2011 10:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Next summer is going to be a gigantic, epic, CBM filled season. Everyone's speculating about their favorite movies: What's going to happen with Avengers? How's The Amazing Spider-man going to fit into the Raimi trilogy? Is The Dark Knight Rises going to be the big winner at next year's box office?

I have to admit, I don't care about any of those questions. What really bothers me...What tears at the very foundations of my geekhood is...MARVEL'S CONTINUITY

I know this seems like a really weird and arbitrary concern, but I think it's valid. I don't see how all of Marvel's characters will fit in the same film. I simply cannot envision a future Avengers movie that will convincingly combine all the heavyweights, and in a way that won't suck, or at least disappoint.


How can all these heroes convincingly exist in the same Marvelverse? How can Tony Stark, a character whose so intricately involved with a realistic and relatable world, be on a superhero team? More than that, how the hell does Thor, the God of Thunder, belong in the tech savy world of Tony Stark? And the same question goes out to Joe Johnston's Captain America?

In all fairness, most of these questions will be addressed in the upcoming Avengers film. But since Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger belong to the Marvel Filmverse, and share crossover characters with the Iron Man franchise, I think a little analysis between the three properties will reveal some of my concerns.



Iron Man was Marvel Studios's first film. Through Joh Favreau's genius, we were introduced to Tony Stark, a crazy, fatalistic, billionaire who owes his wealth and opulent lifestyle to war profiteering. Portrayed brilliantly by Robert Downey Jr., Stark shamelessly indulges his vices in very public and controversial displays.

As the film's protagonist, he doesn't seem very heroic, but after a near-death incident in the Middle-East, Stark has a change of heart. His convoy was attacked, and he was mortally wounded by one of his own missiles. Stark realizes that his weapons are used by evil men...true villains.

After escaping captivity, Tony Stark renounces weapon manufacturing, and turns his attention to viable, alternative energy. He reinvigorates Arc Reactor research, the same technology that mantains Stark's health, and in turn powers the Iron Man suit. Mix in a few villains, an attempted corporate takeover, and a few romantic interests.... and voila, we have IRON MAN.

Joh Favreau was really great at capturing the right tone for this movie. Tony Stark never appears in any situation that seems overtly contrived or beyond the borders of the real world.

The film begins with a gritty, semi-realistic portrayal of combat in the Middle-East. Tony's convoy is attacked and his security escort, comprised of a few very young soldiers, are killed in the ensuing firefight. In a very dark form of irony, a missile labeled with Stark's name explodes at point blank range, cutting straight through Tony's body armor. My thoughts at this point...WOW, this shit just got real. Favreau then cuts to a few days earlier, whereTony receives an award, but blows off the ceremony so he can play craps with some sexy Vixens...great juxtaposition of Stark's frivolous life and his current life/death situation.

The movie continues in this same style: drawing a humorous, but dark line between Tony Stark's eccentric, over-consumptive lifestyle and his heroic struggle which eventually culminates in his Iron Man persona. All the while, the viewer is subtly urged to consider Stark's role in the real world: he's is a weapon manufacturer in a post 9/11 world. The United States was, and remains, quagmired in two unconventional, devastating wars. For for all the technological advantages the United States military possesses, it remains unable to defeat its enemy. In the midst of all this uncertainty, we have Tony Stark. He is the main weapons manufacturer for the US. He makes all the greatest and latest gadgets that will win the wars...or does he?

The tone of the movie, both visually and emotionally, is woven into the real world. The film is neither overly violent or morbid. And it doesn't bore the audience with blatant, unemotional dialogue concerning social philosophy (I'm looking at you The Dark Knight), but instead presents situations that organically and subtly address the subject . Everything in the movie seems like it truly could happen, like a slice out of Tony Stark's life...just a normal guy, with extraordinary means, who accepts his responsibility for the state of the world.



I thought Thor was a great stand-alone film. Chris Hemsworth and the rest of the cast nailed their roles, but given the opportunity, I would have removed some of the more campy elements. Overall, though, the film was a successful interpretation of the Thor comics. BUT... I don't think it relates to the Iron Man films very well. I know, I know...I should accept that Thor is an alien, misinterpreted as a god by Earth's more primitive societies...but that simply doesn't work for me.

This is supposed to be the same universe as Favreau's Iron Man, right? Then why do so many elements of Thor look so artificial? I'll accept that mere mortals are too primitive to understand the immensely technologically advanced realm of Asgard. Still, all the weapons and structures in Asgard seem a little too Lord of the Rings-ish (especially since this film version of Asgard is founded in science, not magic). But the Earth scenes look particularly out of place when compared to the Iron Man films. That small town in New Mexico was constructed specifically for this movie, and it looks like it.

In Thor, we're just supposed to accept that these Asgardians are fantastic, scientifically advanced beings, and that seems like cheating. Favreau could have went a similar route with the production of Stark's exoskeletons, but instead the technology was really well considered and implemented. We witness the construction of the Iron Man suits, and even though they should seem really far fetched, they're much more believable after we've seen Tony Stark's late night tinkerings, with all his minor successes and failures. Thor should have displayed, at least in some small amount, how their science works.


Magic is a fundamental part of the comic book Thor...Mjolnir, Bifrost, Odinforse, and basically anything Asgardian is powered by Magic. In an attempt to remove Thor from edges of fantasy, and in order to relate the character to the Iron Man series, Kenneth Branagh simply replaced the term Magic with Science..but that doesn't solve the problem. That is simply Magic by another name. Marvel has tried to amend these inconsistencies, through the involvement of Jane Foster as a scientist. Odin's tesseract even appears in Captain America: The First Avenger, where it is insinuated as a component of Tony Stark's Arc Reactor. Still, I don't think Thor works in an Iron Man universe.

Onto Captain America: The First Avenger


Captain America: The First Avenger was brilliant film....or at least for the first hour. Johnston gracefully painted a portrait of Steve Rogers, a frail, but well-intending kid who struggles to enlist in the military. After a series of rejection, the wizened Doctor Erskine nominated Rogers for Project Rebirth, and the rest is history.

I have very few complaints about this movie. As expected, this film fits in the Marvel Filmverse much more easily than Thor. Honestly, after viewing The Incredible Hulk, Captain America seems like a necessary part of the Banner/Blonsky/Ross saga. However, I do have some issues with its presentation.

This is a period piece and Johnston's direction style, like his work with the Rocketeer, is very nostalgic and whimsical. This was all fine and dandy for the first hour, when we were introduced to Steve Rogers in Brooklyn. But it just doesn't work when Captain America arrives in Nazi-occupied Europe. The entire second half of the film is consumed by war, and it should have been dark, foreboding, and sprinkled with moments of true, candid despair. Instead, Johnston delivers a very Indiana Jones-esque portrayal of the war. We never see Nazi soldiers in combat, but are afforded wave after wave of uninspired Hydra flunkies, all sporting plasma rifles pulled straight from a B-list science fiction movie. I wasn't expecting Saving Private Ryan...but come on.

One of my biggest concerns was the general presentation of combat. Throughout the entire movie, the Howling Commandos and their fellow soldiers never take cover. They rush blindly into battle, accurately firing weapons from their hips, like an "Inglorious Bastard" tribute group. I would expect that sort of brazen courage from Captain America, but this is a war movie, and I'd like to see the soldiers behave like soldiers. Captain America should be the only hero lunging through the battlefield, staring down a haze of rifle fire, and coming out the other side unscathed. The first scene in Iron Man, when militants ambush Tony Stark's convoy, has more convincing combat than Captain America: The First Avenger. That's really, truly disappointing, considering that Captain America is a war-time hero and the SUPER-SOLDIER.

Hopefully, Avengers can convincingly mix all these heroes in the same universe. I enjoy Joss Whedon as a writer, but I don't see how any of his previous work as a director warrants his involvement in the Avengers film. I think he would have been great as a producer, and he would have made some fabulous re-writes, but he shouldn't have been hired as the director. An Avengers film is a spectacle. It's a ground shattering meeting of the Marvelverse heavyweights, and it needs to be directed by someone who can convey epic battles, organic character interaction, and heroic self-revelations...I just don't think Whedon's the guy for the job.

I will remain a hopeful fan, but I'm not sure if Marvel can pull this movie off.

What say you?

NOTE: The Incredible Hulk is another science based film, and I think it's gritty tone is entirely relatable to the Iron Man franchise, so I didn't think it presented a problem for an Avengers film.
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killzonev2
killzonev2 - 7/28/2011, 10:47 PM
this was a fantastic and well written article, thank you for the insight. i agree with all of your thoughts about thor, it was a fantastic stand alone film, and i believe that the only true "connection" to the iron man-verse is SHIELD's presence throughout the film, other than that i feel that the entire movie would have been on its own.
Coloso
Coloso - 7/28/2011, 11:30 PM
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 7/28/2011, 11:41 PM
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but I don't think I agree. It's not a matter of 'my opinion is better', I just think I can accept the universe as it is. I can believe in a universe where magic and technology clash, where the realms of realism tend to be broken but yet somehow closer to reality than fiction. I mean, Thor on it's own was great, but I can accept how well it could work in the Avengers, due to believing in the universe that was built up since Iron Man. I mean, yes Iron Man was more 'real' than Thor, but I don't want complete realism when watching a comic book movie.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 7/28/2011, 11:52 PM
I see the same problems you do, yet I have different conclusions, especially regarding Thor. I agree the mere replacement of the word 'Magic' with 'Science' was an over-simplification that should have had more explanation behind it. To be fair though, I feel Brenaugh&Co had enough on the plate with just making Thor into something that translated well on film and I'm willing to overlook this. Nothing is truly perfect after all, and I think we can agree that Thor did a great job of selling character that 5 years ago I'd have said would never be adaptable(I'm glad he didn't sport that [frick]in' helm through the whole thing lol). I'm still on a high from Cap so I'll leave it alone lest the fanchild in me show itself ;)

At the end of it all I find myself constantly asking the same question when reviewing the deep thought regarding these films as they're discussed on this site: Where has everyone's child-like sense of wonder gone to? I view these movies with the same bewilderment I did when I picked up my first X-Men comic. It's pure excitement. To this day I don't feel like I've seen a bad CBM, and I've seen them all! I like Daredevil and Elektra and Wolverine and Superman Returns. I like the characters enough that I won't allow bad direction, lack-luster writing, or sub-par acting to ruin them for me. This isn't to say I don't see the flaws, I'm not blind, I just don't judge them as harshly, or really judge them at all. The worst reaction a CBM has gotten from me was when they killed Venom in SM3, but I got over it by the time it hit DVD and purchased it as the stock boy was shelving it at Wal-Mart on Monday at midnight.
Lockjaw
Lockjaw - 7/29/2011, 1:48 AM

Get over yourself! FFS its a superhero movie, your supposed to suspend belief and enjoy.
Orphix
Orphix - 7/29/2011, 1:52 AM
@RoyalTenenbaum

I get what you're saying and agree with some of it BUT that is kind of the point with The Avengers. The whole concept is that different characters with different views, tone, themes, ideas, visuals are forced together. It won't be easy and it might not be entirely successful BUT that is what makes The Avengers unique.

They are a collection of individuals who shouldn't exist in the same universe but do and are forced to work together. I think that is where most of the drama will come from.

I remember listening to one interview with Joss Whedon and he was discussing how even the colour palette of the film was awkward when filming the characters together because they are so individual.

So basically I am saying that you're main concerns about The Avengers should also be the main reason you should be exicted about it too.

As for Thor magic/science debate there is a famous quote from Arthur C. Clarke that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." which is how I basically justified that take on the movie.
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/29/2011, 2:57 AM
TASM isnt in raimi's movies
SuperSomething616
SuperSomething616 - 7/29/2011, 3:10 AM
You cant have the movies refelcting the work in the comics!!

This is a whole different medium and what works in the comics will not or ever work on film (just see Green lantern)

I think you're over looking the fact each heroes films are their own universe withing a larger universe.

The Avengers is not an attempt to merge all the aspects of each characters films together...the only thing Marvel and film makers need to really be concerned about is making the characters work and interact together...

Trying to merge the real world feel of Iron Man with the advanced scientific world of Thor would next to impossible...

But I really dont think that is what they are going to be focusing on in The Avengers...

The whole plan since Iron Man has been to do an Avengers film and they have been building towards this for years.

Not enough of the Avengers story or the footage is known to be passing judgement yet...just be patient like the rest of us and pass judgement when you've either:

A) Seen more
B) Know more of the story or
C) Have seen the film!!!

But it's good to know people are thinking about these things... I am sure we wont be let down...
Sturmpionier
Sturmpionier - 7/29/2011, 4:30 AM
I agree with SuperSomething.

The individual films will their own "flavor" that may or may not fit well with each other. The Avengers films will bring those characters together and create and entirely new "flavor." Meaning, it won't be like either Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America, it will be something new. Pretty much every issue of the Avengers comics that features "the Big Three" deals with the fact that they don't totally understand each other. If there is a lot of "what are you even doing here?" in the Avengers film, that's a good indication of a solid adaptation.
JTheMostAwesome
JTheMostAwesome - 7/29/2011, 4:41 AM
I agree with SuperSomthing and Sturmpionier.

I believe that the one consistent beat in all of these movies when it concerns The Avengers is that these characters only know of themselves. Their world. Much how many of us can't see beyond our own lives. I think that they're aiming at making these guys see that there are larger issues than their own. A larger world than their own. One that isn't specific to ANY of them.

(Nice article by the way, I don't comment much. Way to start a conversation, sir!)
Paulley
Paulley - 7/29/2011, 5:20 AM
The way i look at it is the fact that these mainly hidden technical advancements happened in WW2 is the reason why Tony Stark is able to built ARC reactors, Repulsers, and Iron Men suits... as well as all the other just outside our reach stuff.

Anyway each characters own movies are personal to their world (same as if you read comics from each of there series') the strongest points to characters is the fact that their backgrounds are so different.

I trust Joss... but i will concede that i too would have preferred a little more of a grounded WW2.. i think they just pulled away from it a little to far
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/29/2011, 5:23 AM
this was a really well written article, man.

unfortunately, i can't agree.

All these characters interact in the comics, and they work perfectly. Part of what makes them so interesting is the dynamic between such different characters, like Thor and Iron Man.

Also, to compare Asgard's realm with Earth realm is a little unfair. They are SUPPOSED to be different. Asgard is SUPPOSED to look "Lord of the Rings-ish." I can't see how that can be looked at as negative. Also, to say that there is no magic in Asgard isn't accurate at all. Thor and Odin both use magic throughout the whole movie. Every time Thor uses Mjolnir, he's using magic. When Odin took away Thor's power, he was using magic. The only things they REALLY "replaced" with Technology were the buildings, and how they operate the bifrost, and things like that. You say their tech is so different, and you're right, BUT, look at it like this. If we were to find a planet with advanced aliens, would you expect them to have come up with the exact same tech as us? I wouldn't, which is why i'm fine with Asgard being so different.

Thor being so different is part of his character's draw. He's even more out of place on Earth than the "man out of time" Captain America.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/29/2011, 5:26 AM
Oh, and the thing that makes Joss Whedon such a good choice is the same reasons you're saying you're afraid of.

He's good at directing stories with a team of characters. He's known for giving each character the same amount of attention. Also, his run on Astonishing X-Men should also show that he can do this in a world as crazy as comics. His Astonishing X-Men run is acclaimed by both critics and fans alike.

I thinkk Whedon is the least of our worries.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/29/2011, 5:27 AM
lol, one more thing, Amazing Spider-Man won't be fitting in with Raimi's movies. Its a reboot and has nothing to do with those.

again, great article, even though i don't agree. :)
opencurtain
opencurtain - 7/29/2011, 5:49 AM
Avengers could be great but it could also stink out the place, its just one of those movies that if its done well it could work but if its done bad, eg FF ,it could be B-movie territory .
opencurtain
opencurtain - 7/29/2011, 5:54 AM
They remade king Kong twice and the original from 1931 is still the best, reboots for my money should only be redone if the first one sucked or if they can better it through technology which in KK case I still prefer the stop action Kong over the CGI "Peter Jackson" version and the guy in the suit from 75 .
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/29/2011, 6:08 AM
@ royal

I agree, the science/magic thing was a copout. I totally agree with that, its actually one of the things that made me not really like the Thor movie. Because the characters do things that are clearly JUST MAGIC, you know?

and yeah, i do remember when they said Amazing Spidey could fit in with Raimi's movies, but i think that was just them trying make people feel better that they're rebooting. They were like, "think of it like this", even though with all the differences between the two series, there's no possible way they can fit together.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/29/2011, 6:10 AM
@ royal

I actually wrote an article about the Amazing Spidey issue a while back, check it out. I think you'll like the points i made.

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Corndogburglar/news/?a=31035
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 7/29/2011, 7:46 AM
NICE WELL ARTICLE...BUT...THEY ARE ALREADY MAKING IT WORK..THIS SHOULD NO LONGER BE A ISSUE IN PPLS MINDS..
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 7/29/2011, 7:49 AM
@JAZZYWAZZY...I WROTE ONE SIMILAR TO WHAT UR DESCRIBING YESTERDAY..LOL!...HERE IT IS

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comic_news/news/?a=43133
SuperSomething616
SuperSomething616 - 7/29/2011, 8:23 AM
@ RoyalTenenbaum - "I just hope it leans towards the style of the more realistic Iron Man film"

Dude if this is what youre hoping for I have a feeling you will be dissapointed...

The first Iron Man film was Jon Favreau's vision and interpretation of that character at that time of filming...

I really doubt that Joss Whedon is going to have the same vision as Favreau did...every director is different just like comic book writers...

I agree with JTheMostAwesome & Sturmpionier...this film will be focusing on larger world issues and will have definitely have its own flavour...
naterator
naterator - 7/29/2011, 9:46 AM
Sounds like the same thing people mull over when talking about Batman and Superman....But like THREEBIGTACOS said.... this is what makes a CBM interesting is to see those two worlds clash....its what makes that universe, be it MCU or DCCU, thowe elements should be different and foreign to each other. In the real world you would never get to see IronMan beat on a Bifrost giant....but you very well may soon enough when worlds collide.
SmithsonianDSP
SmithsonianDSP - 7/29/2011, 12:13 PM
I would agree with most of you points...

However I disagree with your criticisms of Joss Whedon.


It is not his work with Buffy/Angel that gives me confidence in his ability, though. However, both of these were quite good series, in-and-of themselves, and they both contained super-powered heroes who were portrayed extremely well: He was never afraid of showing they had FLAWS and weaknesses, in spite of their powers. He did an excellent job of creating these characters who were extraordinarily powerful yet relate-able. (Personally, I never did get into the Buffy series very much, however I had an ex-girlfriend who did, who I then learned of the "Angel" series, which was somewhat of a spin-off. I did become somewhat of a fan of this show, mainly because it was on TBS in the early-early morning when nothing else worth watching was on TV and I would be up for work during this time.)

But the biggest evidence of Whedon's talents lie in the movie "Serenity" (and his canceled-all-but-too-soon series Firefly.)

Firefly didn't make it a whole season before it was canceled (not the fault of the show, but most of the blame rests with FOX for poor time-slot scheduling and not allowing the show to find it's audience before being canceled.) But in that time Whedon had crafted some extensive story lines and development of the show's characters. After being canceled and once on DVD, the show DID find it's audience. Enough of an audience to fund making a Firefly Movie. In the movie, Serenity, he was able to
(1) introduce all of these characters in a way that initiated the viewer who had NEVER seen nor heard of Firefly [note: I didn't know Firefly was a series until AFTER I saw Serenity] without retelling the same story that fans and viewers of the show already knew.
While this alone is impressive,
(2) there wasn't a lot of time wasted doing this without moving the plot.
The plot (3) wasn't tired, over-done, and easily predictable but was fresh, original, and kept you guessing without twists-for-the-sake-of-twists.
(4) Two words: Character growth. You watched as events impacted the characters and seen the characters develop organically. This may seem like a trivial fact but as far as a lot of mainstream cinema goes, it's quite important. Even the somewhat minor characters and the antagonist/anti-hero developed.
(5) Without spoiling anything: He wasn't afraid to kill off main characters. But not killing-for-the-sake-of-killing or killing just for the shock-factor... They were ways of moving the plot, keeping the audience emotionally engaged, giving the feeling of "wow, they really might NOT make it out of this alive...".
(6) Ended the movie with closure and on a note of hope and optimism for them but leaving the fates of the rest of the characters and the movie's "universe" open enough for imagination.
(7) Additionally, the dialogue in the movie was excellent. It was real. No over-the-top expositions, no prolonged monologues and speeches. Very organic.

And FINALLY:
(8) It was a Sci-fi movie that non-Sci-fi fans can appreciate. It was a sci-fi movie where space was just a setting, a location for the story. It didn't alienate people who were not sci-fi fans. The biggest proof I have of this was my girlfriend: HATED Star Wars/Star Trek and most everything else sci-fi. She THOUGHT she was going to HATE Serenity... but loved it. Several others I know who are generally anti-Sci-fi also really liked this movie. Whedon took a genre which can be very exclusionary to a general audience and made a movie that everyone can enjoy. (read: COMIC BOOK MOVIES)

Whedon is the only reason for which I think the Avengers *HAS* a chance.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 7/29/2011, 3:00 PM
I get what you're saying, but I don't think the issues are going to be very difficult to overcome. (this is going to be difficult to phrase well) Although, the heroes are all part of the same world, their shared world has a different look and feel depending on whose perspective we're seeing it through. It me helps to explain things by the way I look at the Clne Wars animated series. The Clone Wars might be in continuity, but there are some differences from the rest of star wars such as how drods act. Instead of a continuity error, I choose to see it as a loose interpretation of events that happened in the world of the more serious star wars universe. While these stories of the marvel universe have varying styles, they're kind of loose interpretations of one history. For example, Captain America as seen by Iron Man would probably have a gritier tone, but the same course of events. Avengers will likely downplay the elements of these worlds that make them difficult to blend, and just play on the differences in the characers.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/29/2011, 3:05 PM
if films like x-men,watchmen & fantastic four work,why can't the avengers.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 7/29/2011, 3:07 PM
Nice article.

I feel like Captain America will fit in a bit more than Thor will, but lets face it, Thor was always the hardest sell of these characters, and this sort of thing was much easier to pull off in a comic book: You just..throw him in

But with movies, unless you are looking for Lord of the Rings/Hobbit-esque uniformity, there will always be the hurdle of different directors and production teams putting these things together. To be fair, Marvel heads have done a great job in trying to make these movies as consistent as possible. But on the other hand, so strictly trying to connect this world has probably stifled these directors from really opening up doing their own visions (a rumored reason why Faverau left Iron Man 3)

Your worries are justified, and I myself am betting Avengers will be average at best. A noble failure. But either way, this ambitious project will be unlike anything fanboys have seen before and that alone will surely make it special enough for many. I hold out hope
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 7/29/2011, 3:28 PM
Cool article, but I totally disagree.

The fact that they're all so different and come from different worlds is what makes it so interesting.
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/30/2011, 4:40 AM
@Marvel72
they are different genres. iron man and hulk sci-fi/thor fantasy/Cap war movie/Sheild agents spy movie.
all your examples they're all created together. it's not the multitude of characters. it's the conflicting genres.
TDK21
TDK21 - 7/30/2011, 11:22 PM
Magic and technology clash all the time. Iron Mans biggest foe is The Mandarin.The cosmic cube is magic i believe(I could be wrong on that end) What I am saying is that magic and technology exist in this world. Thor and Stark always had a rocky relationship due to the nature of their abilities and beliefs and what not. Which will only make it more interesting.
TDK21
TDK21 - 7/30/2011, 11:22 PM
Magic and technology clash all the time. Iron Mans biggest foe is The Mandarin.The cosmic cube is magic i believe(I could be wrong on that end) What I am saying is that magic and technology exist in this world. Thor and Stark always had a rocky relationship due to the nature of their abilities and beliefs and what not. Which will only make it more interesting.
superwolverine
superwolverine - 8/1/2011, 3:10 PM
This debate is stupid. Its a movie and before that it was a comic book its all FANTASY!!!! stop with the dumb analyzing, stop with the "nolanverse" crap, stop with the whats real and whats not. First off a great writer can make anything work, they can write about unicorns flying through world war 2 if there that good. Point is its make believe enjoy it and shut up.
SpiderBob
SpiderBob - 8/7/2011, 4:12 AM
Pile of *....2 words for you,Character Interaction.
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