Are American Men Too Wimpy to Play Superheroes?

Are American Men Too Wimpy to Play Superheroes?

An answer to some statements made by Hollywood movie-makers!

Editorial Opinion
By MuscleMan - Feb 05, 2011 11:02 PM EST
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A few days ago, articles had revealed some bad statements made by a Hollywood movie-maker and a United Talent Agent. The quotes are as follows:

The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises casting director John Papsidera, said: "The ugly truth is that American leading men just aren't terribly manly anymore. You look at the list of American leading men, and in their twenties and thirties, they're very boylike. Take Jesse Eisenberg: I put him in Zombieland, but he's not going to play Superman. He's much closer to what Dustin Hoffman turned into than John Wayne or Steve McQueen. It's hard to find movie stars that live up to the needs of the story. Leo [DiCaprio] is growing into it, but for a long time, he seemed young and boylike. Inception was the first time Leo seemed to have fully grown into a man. You need to find guys who carry that heroic-ness with them."

And, speaking about Canadian, the English and Australia men, Papsidera added: "There, they're still raised as men. Heath [Ledger] was a man's man. Guys like Henry Cavill, there's an easy masculinity to them. But because of how predominant the sixties and the women's movement were here, guys in America talk about their 'feelings' far more than guys from New Zealand and Australia or Ireland."

United Talent agent Louise Ward also adds: "I believe there's been a certain feminization of the American male. As a result, there are a lot of 'mama's boys.' Kids are raised like veal. We're afraid to let them play soccer. That kind of nurturing softens what we're used to seeing on the screen. American men aren't men on the screen."

Now, I think that it would have been better to state that some, if not a lot, of American male ACTORS are like this, rather than American men in general – because they didn’t make a separation in their conclusions! The truth is that Hollywood is filled with men [not all of them] who don’t act manly – and that’s no secret to anybody! And if the statements would have stopped there only, then I would have agreed. And, hey, the hippie movement didn’t disrupt the growth of all men, either, because American men, in the broadest sense, are certainly manly men, and movie-makers who make such statements as these seem to forget that the people they cast for their movies are actors – which means that they are ACTING manly, and doesn’t necessarily mean that they ARE manly: no matter which country they come from! And by making such statements (and especially representing an American based company to begin with) gives open channels for reproach and ridicule toward a great country.

However, and at the same time, I can certainly see where feminist ideas are spread amongst many American males. But this doesn’t stop in America alone, for there are men of this caliber in every nation of the world!

American soldier (turned actor) Audie Murphy (the most decorated hero of WW2) was a perfect example of a manly man who may not have looked manly ~ for he almost looked like a kid! But when it came to his exploits on the battle field, next to the fictional Captain America himself, he proved to be the toughest America had during that terrible war! So, if we are basing manliness on looks only, then we are truly in a world of fantasy! After all, the people making statements need to narrow their meanings down when it comes to judging men in general of an entire nation. I don’t believe for one moment that the majority of America men are nothing more than momma’s boys! If you want to see some American heroes, look no further than the men of the American armed forces! And just because they aren’t jumping around on a big screen wearing tights, doesn’t mean in the least that they aren’t manly! Not only this, but also, while looking elsewhere than just Hollywood, real men can also be found saving lives everyday, such as America’s firefighters . . . can we call them wimpy?



Again, Audie Murphy proved that you can take a real manly hero and turn him into an actor – and the same can be done today! And it has been proven time and again that you can take many people out of society and make them an acting star: just take famous athletes and singers for examples ~ it doesn’t just have to be people who are especially wanting to be actors in the first place. Hollywood, don’t be so near-sighted; if you’d take the time to look around, you will see some real American manly men!

And, speaking of American manly men, let’s look at one American actor in general, who just so happens to be portraying the manliest superhero of the Marvel universe ~ Chris Evans as Captain America! Other American manly actors of note (of different ages, but still heroic in roles) are: Robert Downy, Jr (Iron Man); Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury); Brad Pitt (Achilles); and Will Smith (Hancock).



And, now, just to set the record straight, for I know that you are just dying to know, I am NOT against any other country or their actors! If they are good, I welcome them whole-heartedly! I think the choice for Thor is marvelous! And how much more manly can you get that the non-American choice for Wolverine! I wouldn’t change that actor for anything!

I think that we could have done without such harsh statements, and would have been satisfied just to hear that there was better choices in acting ability; or that a British actor was just a better choice for the role of Superman (or whomever), without getting into any insulting mumbo-jumbo! And, if there is truly a short supply of American manly men in Hollywood, well then, let’s do something about it ~ and hire some more!

Superheroes should belong to the world, and not just America ~ but Americans should be as much a part of it as anybody else! That being said, I’m ready to give this British actor a chance at playing an American Superman . . . one thing only, please use an American and not a British accent ~ it would kind of ruin the effect!
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Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 2/6/2011, 12:20 AM
I'd like to pay John Papsidera a visit. Show him just how "manly" us American boys can be. I bet I could change his mind in twenty minutes. lol. Freakin' pricks man.
cpmac04
cpmac04 - 2/6/2011, 12:36 AM
this is a silly article.... theres so many manly american actors. this was obviously done to incite more arguments on cbm. when there is 150 comments on here telling you this is stupid ill be laughing.
luffycapri
luffycapri - 2/6/2011, 12:42 AM
Another stupid article that's going to make Canadian users and users from the U.K happy.
BatLantern
BatLantern - 2/6/2011, 12:50 AM
@Gaston,Really? what the hell is wrong with the you Bro? Only real men listen to Justin Bieber,like with chest hair and everything arrgghhh!! wait what website is this?
Teois42
Teois42 - 2/6/2011, 12:59 AM
Lol i don't care either way
MuscleMan
MuscleMan - 2/6/2011, 1:00 AM
@ Joslezio - oh, my!

@ cpmac04 - nope! My intention is NOT to incite arguments, but to express an opinion of how American movie makers feel about Americans when doing heroic movies. I believe American should voice concerns about this, even if some feel they should not. Perhaps this is one of America's biggest problems, keeping our mouth shut when things arise. However, this isn't a patriotic point of view, but American men are losing roles to other who aren't American. That's ok, but it's not ok to insult Americans.

@ Gaston - too true! And I do agree to certain extents. However, we can't buy what the media is trying to tell us on a complete scale. There's been many, many years where people thought Americans were weak, but when war broke out, they found they were wrong . . . tough guys are in the sticks!

& luffycapri - No, again. I myself am American, and I love our American comic heroes. This article has nothing to do with trying to win someone over to my statements, but to re-inform, and to express my own views - as an American, and not as a politician. This has everything to do with Comic Book Movies, and needs to be said.
Ethic
Ethic - 2/6/2011, 1:57 AM
Nice article man.
But about the actors you listed
Brad Pitt is 47
Rob Downey is 45
Sam Jackson is 62 lol

They were talking about actors in their 20's and 30's, the ones who should be headlining these types of films.
Will Smith is one manly mother[frick]er and brilliant actor but he's pushing into the older category now.
Chris Evans is the only good example of a young American man's man out of the people you mentioned and I wouldn't even put him in that category myself exactly.

What the movie maker and talent agent should have said was that, at this point in time, there seem to be more quality actors capable of headlining blockbusters coming from other countries and that America is lacking.
Armie Hammer and Chris Pine are the only others who come to mind.
But that doesn't say shit about the general manliness of Americans. I'm Irish and the conventional idea of manliness is bullshit in my eyes. You don't need be 6'5'' and play rugby to be charismatic and confident.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 2/6/2011, 2:08 AM
LMAO, and look where these people find their talent. You can't judge the men in America by the fairies in Cali and the dolts of Jersey Shore. You want to find REAL American men, head into the American heartland where we still grow and kill our own food as often as we grocery shop. I bet this nancy casting director would puke all over his khaki's at the sight of a dressed deer.

Joslezio, this poor bastard has never been to the dark and bloody ground has he... 'round here we consider them fightin' words don't we buddy ;P
JoshJones
JoshJones - 2/6/2011, 2:12 AM
Are you kidding me? American men aren't feminine. Hollywood's just going through a bit of a nerdy guy trend. I'm 6'3, 212, love whiskey, and smoke like a chimney. I'd love for that asshole to call me soft. I'd kick his teeth in. FOR AMERICA!

Also, Matthew Macoune... Maconauhegh.. whatever, Garrett Hedlund, Matt Damon, Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, Ben Affleck, Mark Valley, Michael Jai White, Dwayne Johnson, Nick Cage(hahaha), Ryan McPartlin, Bradley Cooper, Woody Harrelson, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Will Smith, Josh Jackson, Armie Hammer, Leo Dicaprio, Ron Perlman, Viggo Mortensen, Aaron Eckhart, Terry Crews, the list goes on... All manly as a dick made out of steaks, with a fist clenching a shotgun as the head.
MuscleMan
MuscleMan - 2/6/2011, 2:17 AM
@ ZeroEthic - thanks for the comment, you've caught the essence of the article exactly! I agree with all you've said; and, yes, I know the actors I've listed are older than what was stated, that's why I added: "of different ages, but still heroic in roles." I'm not disagreeing that Hollywood needs more tough guys in their lineup, because that may very well be so ~ where's Clint Eastwood when you need him, aye? . . . . By the way, I'm Irish in my roots as well! Nice talking with you.
McFinn138
McFinn138 - 2/6/2011, 2:18 AM
The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises casting director John Papsidera, said: "The ugly truth is that American leading men just aren't terribly manly anymore. You look at the list of American leading men, and in their twenties and thirties, they're very boylike. Take Jesse Eisenberg: I put him in Zombieland, but he's not going to play Superman. He's much closer to what Dustin Hoffman turned into than John Wayne or Steve McQueen. It's hard to find movie stars that live up to the needs of the story. Leo [DiCaprio] is growing into it, but for a long time, he seemed young and boylike. Inception was the first time Leo seemed to have fully grown into a man. You need to find guys who carry that heroic-ness with them."

Yeah ok John. So by American actors you mean white actors. I don't see a lot of effete black actors in American films. I can't really think of any Brit, Aussie, or Kiwi in the league of Michael Jai White, for example.

Amazo
Amazo - 2/6/2011, 2:32 AM
Totally agree with this article except on one point.I don't find Chris Evans manly in the slightest.He's exactly the squeaky clean pretty boy I think these generalising casting directors etc were talking about.The California look.Sure he's piled on a little muscle but that doesn't equal manliness.If you compare him with Chris Hemsworth,the Thor actor 'feels' rougher.More rugged.Thats the kind of manliness I think was being refered to.The impression that the actor spends his nights up a mountain,naked,hunting then killing bears with their bare hands lol
BuckTonka88
BuckTonka88 - 2/6/2011, 2:39 AM
@Wade

"All manly as a dick made out of steaks, with a fist clenching a shotgun as the head"

greatest quote i've heard all week man

Amazo
Amazo - 2/6/2011, 2:46 AM
@Gaston
lmao True that!
Just read your earlier comment and I agree with that too mate :)
Rango
Rango - 2/6/2011, 2:52 AM
I thought Jesse Eisenberg was in Adventureland not in Zombieland :D


lokisilvertongue
lokisilvertongue - 2/6/2011, 2:59 AM
i'm sorry but u americans getting upset n slabbering is funny, simply if u dn't let ur emotions take over n look at wat he said, "leading men" so yes he is talking about actors not the general public. I think the press have taken it out of context making it sound worse jst to get this type of reaction from u all
Every1Hooked
Every1Hooked - 2/6/2011, 3:08 AM
its not our fault that hollywood raises all our actors to be pretty boys...i enjoy action movies but hollywood puts tons of money into chick flicks and romance movies...hollywood picks these pussy actors...they also take manly men from out our country (like gerard butler) and offer them great money for crappy romance comedies.

it has nothing to do with the men here...it has all to do with what sells here.
guys will pay for a date and a crappy chickflick just to get laid...thats 2 people for every 1 guy you would see at and action movie
superotherside
superotherside - 2/6/2011, 3:15 AM
good article... i agree! just because not many "men" aren't actors doesn't mean that there aren't any!
Jer3miah
Jer3miah - 2/6/2011, 3:17 AM
This article is foolish. Why create a fire? Leave it alone. If you feel that statement applies to you, then take a damn good look in the mirror and shut the f*ck up. Pansy, lol.
Exiles
Exiles - 2/6/2011, 3:19 AM
Great article and everything but boys is this crap getting dragged out a LOT, you get some pussy actors from the UK too, like Every1Hooked look gerard butler he goes from 300 to chick flicks. It has nothing to do with Manly Man its about which actors right for the role.

"one thing only, please use an American and not a British accent ~ it would kind of ruin the effect!" I don't think you have to worry about that, Its pretty [frick]ing obvious that he's going to be using a American accent.

"how much more manly can you get that the non-American choice for Wolverine!" Wolverines not "American" he's Canadian.

Besides that good article but you Americans need to relax "manly" man actors and "feminine" actors all around the [frick]ing world. So relax Americans
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/6/2011, 3:47 AM
Got to agree with Myth here. This guy is talking about all American men when he should have stated "Hollywood men".

The guy has a fair point to some extent but shot himself in the foot whilst making it. The men of Hollywood are too preoccupied with looking good that they stop themselves from ageing! Tom Welling is a prime example! The guy is in his 30's but if you put him in a Superman movie it would look like Superboy. There is too much time and money spent on grooming (not the sort teabag indulges in) with teeth whitening, moisturising and Botox. Hollywood has become so obsessed with youth that it no longer produces men.

Me? I'm English, 28 and all man!! My first pube came yesterday!!!
croniccris
croniccris - 2/6/2011, 3:48 AM
two words....john wayne
RimCreaperUK
RimCreaperUK - 2/6/2011, 3:50 AM
You realise of course that Superman isnt American?
Not bothered who plays whom (apart from Cpt American who should be from the US of A...and is!)
If your gonna start crying about everybody else, maybe you should be handing in your man cards at the nearest Blue Oyster bar!.....i thank you.
RimCreaperUK
RimCreaperUK - 2/6/2011, 3:57 AM
Anus bleaching, whatever next? Talking about your feeling?.....preposterous!
I prescribe you punch somebody in the lips to regain your manlyness!
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 2/6/2011, 4:02 AM
YOUR GETTING TO A GOAL-PRODUCE SOMETHING HONORING A CHARACTER...THATS ALL, THERES NO AMERICAN, BRIT, WHATEVER..AS LONG AS YOU GET TO THAT GOAL AND IT DOES WELL..SERIOUSLY.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 2/6/2011, 4:06 AM
is it really that important? the country of origin? if someone is a good actor then why not?
jazzman
jazzman - 2/6/2011, 4:10 AM
@McFinn138

in the league of Michael Jai White are u serious. Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Colin Salmon are Black British who can out shine Michael Jai White.
jazzman
jazzman - 2/6/2011, 4:23 AM
@drax94

Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Colin Salmon are still manly Black British actors even tho they aint martial artist they can handle themself very well.
jazzman
jazzman - 2/6/2011, 4:30 AM
@teabag

u expose MJW hidden shame LMAO
jazzman
jazzman - 2/6/2011, 4:35 AM
@teabag

even American Zombies are less Manly heres the evidence LOL

Exiles
Exiles - 2/6/2011, 4:43 AM
honestly I don't get how this has become "controversial" it has nothing to do with being a manly man, feminie or momma's boy if the guy does well in the role would any one hear complain no! RDJ's playing Sherlock [frick]ing Holmes and he's done a good job but you don't see brits and especially british media making a big deal out of it. Wasn't Ledger considered a pretty boy before he played the Joker, no one believed he could pull it off because he played a gay cowboy and apparently he was too much of a pretty boy. So seriously people just relax and see how the movie goes before you jump to [frick]ing conclusion about some one looking like a pretty boy.
LeonardShelby
LeonardShelby - 2/6/2011, 4:46 AM
This article reeks. Are people still moaning about this? I'm Australian and I think the whole idea is bullshit but the more Americans have a sook about it the more I begin to think that it's closer to the truth than I thought...
Get over it! It is a total exaggeration and knnejerk reaction to one casting decision. Australia has it's percentage of girly boys too. It's the movies, nerd one day ripped hulk the next.
deadshotzero
deadshotzero - 2/6/2011, 4:48 AM
boys boys even thoe he aint black ray park would kick the living hell out michael jai white, even saying im from the uk im 5ft 11 i only wat 160 pounds but could out drink out smoke out fight pretty much out do anything over halve the men in usa can lol. ive visited usa oon maney occassions about 8 times now i belive, and to be honest the men are either rednecks, hicks, fatboys, gay or so self obbsessed about how it's the greates country in world to be real men, u guys just dont really get it how to be men any more.
deadshotzero
deadshotzero - 2/6/2011, 4:50 AM
boys boys even thoe he aint black ray park would kick the living hell out michael jai white, even saying im from the uk im 5ft 11 i only wat 160 pounds but could out drink out smoke out fight pretty much out do anything over halve the men in usa can lol. ive visited usa oon maney occassions about 8 times now i belive, and to be honest the men are either rednecks, hicks, fatboys, gay or so self obbsessed about how it's the greates country in world to be real men, u guys just dont really get it how to be men any more.
ManofSteel23
ManofSteel23 - 2/6/2011, 4:54 AM
LOL wimpy boys...english ftw
''truth,justice...and the english way'' ; p
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