BIGBMH's Take on Superman: Part 2

BIGBMH's Take on Superman: Part 2

Part 2 of my series in which I talk about how the next Superman movie should be done. In this article I continue the "What not to do" section of the series and talk about why adapting "The Death of Superman" would be a bad idea.

Editorial Opinion
By BIGBMH - Dec 18, 2010 07:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Other

A decent amount of fans are interested in seeing the Death of Superman storyline adapted into a movie. This idea doesn't work for several reasons. For starters, The Death of Superman sucks. OK. I'll be a little bit more mature about it. The Death of Superman really isn't that great of a story. Doomsday shows up and starts wreaking havoc. Some Justice League members try to stop him. He kicks the crap out of them. Superman shows up. They fight. They fight some more. They fight a little bit more and then...fight some more. After all this fighting both of them die. I know there's the whole World Without Superman and Return of Superman, but when it comes down to it, the basic plot is that Superman appears to die and comes back. Why is this story so famous if it really isn't that good?
Well, DC made a huge spectacle out of the whole thing. This thing was making the front pages of news papers! Some people really thought Superman was going to be gone so they rushed out to buy what they thought could be the final story of this beloved character. It was all just a big publicity stunt. Imagine this:

"Say it ain't so! Superman can't be dead"
"OK. It ain't so"
"Please DC! You just have to bring him- wait. He's not dead? "
"Nah. We were just screwing with you."

In the end Superman wasn't even really dead. He was in stasis in some kind regeneration matrix in the Fortress of Solitude. So Superman didn't even really die in The Death of Superman. Wasn't that the main selling point? Anyway, one of my big problems is that Doomsday doesn't really seem deserving of the honor of being the villain that kills Superman. He's just this brutish monster that the writers created for the sole purpose of being the thing powerful enough to kill Superman. I realize there's more to the back story, but he's pretty much just a mindless killing machine that's more of a plot device than a character. I also don't feel like the scale of the event was big enough. I guess Doomsday would have continued to cause destruction if he wasn't stopped, but I think it would have been better if Superman died protecting the world from a more serious threat, maybe knowingly sacrificing himself.

This article isn't just supposed to be a critique of that story though. My opinion of the story aside, I feel that it just doesn't make sense to adapt this story into movie format. The Death of Superman alone is obviously too simple to make a whole movie out of. Because of that, they would probably have to do it from the Death through the Return. The second part of the trilogy is a World Without Superman. A major strength of the story of The Death of Superman was that it had an impact on the whole DC universe. Right now, there is no DC movie universe. The only people you can show who have been affected by Superman's death are his supporting cast. Even if you incorporate elements of the Reign of the Supermen storyline, people really aren't interested in watching a bunch of characters that they really don't care about. You can't have a Superman Movie Without Superman for an extended period of time. You watch a Superman movie to see Superman!

Then there's the Return part. Like I said before, the death is probably too simple to do without showing the return. However, having a character die and return within the same movie really lessens the affect. Pretty much everyone would know that Superman would be coming back, but deaths need to be given time to have some impact. You want your audience to believe the character is really dead. I'm not opposed to killing off Superman. However, doing it in the first movie of what is hopefully a new franchise really isn't the way to do it. In this scenario, the audience hasn't had very much time to grow attached to the actor playing Superman. If you kill him off in the last movie of a trilogy, then you can really make the death have an emotional impact. My ideal Superman movie death would be to have a Superman trilogy, then have Superman die in a Justice League movie (Ideally, if there are more than one, kill him off in the second and bring him back in the third).

Now, hypothetically, let's say they were to go with The Death of Superman as their story. If so, the plot would need to be seriously overhauled to add some story. I know this sounds contradictory to what I wrote earlier, but if Superman dies in a movie he should die at the end. Since in The Death of Superman, he dies at the end and there's not that much that happens before the fight with Doomsday, the plot would have to be altered so that there's a lot of story before the Doomsday fight instead of the fight being pretty much the whole thing like it was originally. The fight would occur in about the last 15-20 minutes. I have no idea what the plot of the movie would be before that, because the source material doesn't give much to work with.

Thanks for reading! Check out the video version of this article here. It's always a fun option for those of you who might be feeling too lazy to read and would just like to listen. And, of course, it has a fun intro!

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jbak368
jbak368 - 12/18/2010, 9:05 AM
I agree with almost everything you said. Doomsday is a boring character, you definitely can't do the Death of Superman until the same actor has played him for a few movies so people can come to care about that Superman.
ecksmanfan
ecksmanfan - 12/18/2010, 9:51 AM
I think the main reason why people want this adapted into a film is because of the action scenes that would be associated with it. After Superman Returns, fans have been hankering for a more physical villain instead of Lex Luthor and his usual ploys. They want to see Superman combat a more imposing and physical opponent, creating a more action-packed film.

As to why people enjoy the story so much, they took a character that is one of the most recognizable symbols in pop culture history and made it human (so to speak). They showed that as powerful as Superman is, he can still fall from the pedestal that he's been placed upon. Granted, the actual story itself isn't really that unique or ground-breaking, but it's more the idea of who actually "died."
golden123
golden123 - 12/18/2010, 10:31 AM
How about they make Superman die near the end at like the climax and then they introduce steel, superboy, cyborg, and eradicator and the next movie is called Supermen and that's where superman comes back.
I agree with not using the Death of Superman story in the 1st movie.
6of13
6of13 - 12/18/2010, 1:05 PM
I agree in that you can't realistically have a long drawn out battle and total destruction as the main plot device.
If you overload the film with action then how do you fit character development into the movie? You can't.
That was the problem with X3, even I thought the CGI was fantastic (Golden Gate Bridge).
My choice of villain for the first movie (assuming there will a trilogy) is Bizarro.
Doomsday can work for a film perhaps, but as long as he
is not the sole governing threat. Therefore, I do agree with your points. Anyway, there are waaaaaay better plot ideas than Doomsday simply going round and wreaking havoc.
Ibz
Ibz - 12/18/2010, 2:00 PM
the villain should be metallo for the first movie, not some of the ridiculous suggestions such as darkseid TOOO early for him, i dont care what people say lex luthor has never been portrayed properly, he a buisnessman and a scientific genius, he's not some fricking con man, the guys a genius who truly wants to change the world and see's superman as a threat to the world, he thinks of himself as the saviour of the world, i am not saying he should be the main villain but he should be pulling the strings, plus metallo would give superman one hell of a fight maybe not at the level of doomsday but for the first movie it would be great, and DDL or paul bettany as lex luthor
golden123
golden123 - 12/18/2010, 3:54 PM
Bizzaro is a good choice for the first movie. Bizzaro's origin should be the Lex Luthor clone origin.
felixxx
felixxx - 12/18/2010, 7:12 PM
The death of Superman, on the big screen, would be epic. Superman has more god$#mn movies than any other hero. It doesn’t matter who the villain is or whats going on in the movie, it would just be another Superman movie. Killing Superman would be a huge money maker and an even bigger shock for the average viewer. I personally would love to see him and Doomsday hash it out for about 45min towards the end of the movie and then we see the “unfallable” fall. Look at how shocked people were when they killed Rorschach. It would be that X10. Then at the end of the credit, show the tomb and let one heart beat come from his grave.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 12/18/2010, 8:27 PM
A lot of comments to respond to!

@Intruder, Random, but funny.

@jbak368, Thanks for commenting. Good to see someone agrees.

@ecksmanfan, I understand that people are hungry for action, but I think Doomsday takes it to far in the oposite direction. Superman Returns was boring but a Doomsday movie would likely be too much of a Michael Bay-like mindless action movie. Interesting perspective on the story though. I do think killing Superman is a cool concept, but the executiopn was poor. I think Cap's death was much better even though it wasn't action packed.

@golden123, Even with Steel, Superboy, etc., I still think it would be hard to sell a Superman movie with less focus on Superman.

@6of13, I think Bizarro would be difficult to adapt well to film, but it's possible. I won't rule it out, but I've got a different idea.

@Ibz, :). Please read some of the stuff coming up. Let's just say we may share certain ideas.

@felixx, I don't see how killing Superman could be a big a big money maker (which I assume means they market it as the death) and a shock (which suggests it's a surprise). I'll agree to disagree and say that I think I have a better idea for the plot. Keep reading this series and if you don't think my idea for the movie is better than the death, then that's cool.
felixxx
felixxx - 12/18/2010, 9:20 PM
Im not knocking your story. I love originality and most of the fan fic is good, but im tired of seeing the same movie with different actors and thats what every Superman movie is. He saves some people, almost looses everything because some dick has some kryptonite, and wins it all back at the end.
Everyone knows Superman as invincible. When I say everyone, I am referring to the normal average person who doesn’t read comics or keep up with whats going on the "Super Hero Universe". So when the "average" person sees something that cant be beaten actually be beaten, it strikes a nerve. More people watch the movies than read the comics, I bet most people don’t even know about Doomsday or that hes come the closest to killing Superman. So when I say money maker, I refer to the average person saying,"The death of Superman?!." And the curiosity alone will drive most to see it. The shock factor is that he does lose in the end sacrificing every bit of himself to save mankind from a mindless killing machine and as far as the viewer knows, its for good.
felixxx
felixxx - 12/18/2010, 9:36 PM
Of course, we know better. This could lead into the sequel that could start by having news clips of robberies and beat downs in the streets. The news caster talking about the rise in crime since the death of superman yadah yadah yadah and open with a bank robbery. The robbers think there pulling it off when BAM Steel shows up with that hammer and bashes some skulls. Then introduce a couple more people who take up the cape in his place, they dont have to be in the whole movie. This could be action filler for the first part of the movie. They could have small parts showing "us" standing for what Superman did until Lex releases the clone. Everyone watching thinks Supes is back but then he kills someone and we find out hes a clone and hes goes terrible wrong. This point would be about 50% through the movie and the evil Supes could have a huge battle with the U.S military, trashing a good part of Metropolis in the battle and when we think all hope is lost, Supes is back in black and kicks the sh*t out of the clone for the rest of the movie. All action, no origin, no lovey dovey crap, no stupid green rocks(other than lex using it to try and control the clone). Im not much of a writer, so it needs work but im also not a Superman fan. So from that perspective, this is what I think would make a good movie or 2. No disrespect and im not arguing about anything. Your doing a good job. I just think its time to change the way everyone looks at Superman and The Death of Superman did that for me.
Ibz
Ibz - 12/19/2010, 4:36 AM
yeah kids will really love seeing superman die in front of them, supermans meant to be for everyone.thinking about making money is what ruins it if i was a kid and i saw superman die infront of me that would be heartbreaking,

@BIGBMH yeah dude i'll check it out dont worry good article though
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 12/19/2010, 6:26 AM
@felixxx, I'm not trying to make it seem like I definitely know what's best. We're both Superman fans and we just have different things that we'd like to see. I gotta say Ibz makes a great point in that killing Superman in front of kids may not go over well.
Knight
Knight - 12/28/2010, 12:30 PM
I disagree with you. The Death of Superman was awesome and would work great adapted to a live action film. So long as the Script is story driven with the action sequences with Doomsday strategically placed throughout the movie, it could work in the right hands with a great writer.

ANY villian, no matter how smart they are or how stupid, can hurt the movie and make it one long endless show of action. How does this happen? Bad writing.

Look at the first Christopher Reeve Superman film. It works. Why? Plenty of action, plenty of story and a great villian. Why? Good writing.

However, let's take a look a Megatron. Great Villian. I enjoyed seeing him in the first film. However, Transformers II failed. Megatron was one of the main villians. A great villian, bad movie, why?

Two words. Bad writing.

So, my point is, in the hands of a great writer, with the freedom to do as they please without DC/WB giving the writer bad ideas and force them into the script, ANY villian can work and so can the Death of Superman story arc with Doomsday.

If it's one long sequence of action right after another, yes, it would fail. But in the hands of a great writer, one who focuses more on story than the action, the Death of Superman story arc with Doomsday would break box office records. And there is only one man I can think of that can pull it off.

Geof Johns.

And the man who is the only one who could direct the movie, IMO, is James Cameron.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/2/2011, 5:20 PM
@Knight, you make some good points. I do belive a good writer could make a decent movie out of Doomsday and killing Superman. However, I still believe that
A. The plot of The Death of Superman alone is so simplistic that there's if you're adapting it, to make it work you have to make so many changes and additions to make it an interesting story that you might as well come up with an original story that's very loosely adapted from the original.
B. It doesn't make sense to kill him off in the first movie of the series.
C. There are MUCH better directions to go in, so why bother? Yeah, it's possible to make a good movie out of it, but it far from the best option.
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