Disney May Lose Spider-Man To Sony. It's Their Own Fault.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man may be out of the MCU because of disagreements between Sony and Disney over finances. Sony is "disappointed" they couldn't make a deal, and I don't blame them.

Editorial Opinion
By HotHead15 - Aug 22, 2019 06:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: Deadline

According to a report from Deadline, everyone's favorite web-slinging superhero may be leaving the Marvel Cinematic Universe because of disagreements between Sony Pictures and Walt Disney Studios; with Disney wanting a 50/50 financial stake in future Spider-Man films and Sony wanting to stay with the deal that allowed Disney--as IGN put it--only 5% of the box office returns.

Disney refused, not even accepting an alleged "70/30" deal offered to them by Sony. And now unless a new deal can be made that will make both companies happy, Sony may take Spider-Man away from Disney and put him into their own planned universe, the Venom-verse. Meanwhile, Disney will be left with Captain Marvel, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and several other heroes who don't have the same recognition as any of Marvel's other characters.

Here's the thing: as far as I'm concerned, Disney is being greedy. They already make money off of Spider-Man through toys and merchandise, as well as the 2017 animated Spider-Man series on Disney XD (pictured above). Meanwhile, Sony's only way of making money off of Spider-Man outside the MCU is with Venom, the upcoming sequel, and other planned films such as the Jared Leto-led Mobius picture. Both companies make enough money off of Spider-Man as is, there is no reason to change what isn't broken and Disney tried anyway because they suddenly want more money than Sony.

Marvel's plans at the moment for Phase Four of the MCU don't really seem to grab a lot of serious attention as far as I can tell, most likely because most of what's in it centers around characters that mainstream audiences have never heard of. The fact that some of these characters are being genderbent and racebent seemingly for the sake of diversity and representation--something I personally find to be rather unnecessary--doesn't really help. Not to mention concerns that Spider-Man is growing closer to being the next Iron Man rather than becoming his own man. Disney and Sony need to get back to working together again, and Disney especially needs to understand that Spider-Man is not a cash cow to be taken advantage of.

Spider-Man lives by the motto, "with great power, there must also come great responsibility". Disney seemingly fails to understand what that means. And that could cost them.

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WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/22/2019, 8:46 PM
What's the point of this? Your not contributing anything new. Biased opinions is all I'm seeing. Clearly left things out to serve your own agenda. Like how Marvel would be CO-financing the films with Sony. Where Sony was paying for it all before. Also, we dont know what the true back and forth offers were. 50/50? 75/25, 70/30? Nothing concrete yet. Both companies are at equal fault. Both are greedy, and both of them need to be RESPONSIBLE with this character. Those are facts. Not opinions.
Sympatico
Sympatico - 8/24/2019, 10:48 PM
@wyleejay?

What is your point, bully? Let the boy alone.

He`s not Shakespeare but entitled to write ans state his opinions and "writing" the way he wants to.

And who are you to judge? You do not like it or consider it to be bad? YOUR OPINION DOESN`T MATTER!
You clearly lack of education ("we dont know", etc.) and social skills, so I tell you this:

GO AWAY! Leave the sane people alone.
Sympatico
Sympatico - 8/24/2019, 10:49 PM
*and
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/25/2019, 6:19 PM
@Sympatico - Lol! Oh you sure showed me big guy. Go ahead and ignore the difference between his rumors being treated as facts, and my facts being facts. And you dont get to tell someone their opinion doesn't matter. Hypocrite. I didn't say anything about his OPINIONS, besides them being used to fuel an agenda. Thank you for that unintelligible response though.
JDL
JDL - 8/27/2019, 2:20 PM
OP I can't find anything on Deadline backing up your 70/30 split. Tsk. As for Disney greed they did ALL the f'ing creative work on these 2 Spidey films. Sony did nothing.

Beyond that there is one thing you are really undervaluing. Disney gave FFH a 2 week competition cushion. Nothing major from Disney opened 2 weeks before or after FFH and HC was given similar treatment. That's going away and with it 15-20% of the non China Box Office. Add another 10-20 drop-off from pissed off Marvel fans and you've got a movie doing a hell of a lot less business.

The real greed was Sony insisting on 'favored nation' status for all of its non Spidey comic book films.
JDL
JDL - 9/2/2019, 6:03 AM
One other thing. Disney's profit's on merch are nowhere near what you seem to think. In a movie where the studio distributes its own product there are two primary revenue recipients. The theater and the studio. Depending where the box office is located the studio gets 40-50% of the gross.

But in merch you've got manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers in addition to the licensor. You've also got merch returned as damaged or just unsold. Whoever in the chain has to eat those costs gets a bigger slice to absorb that. Returns in a movie are rare. In case it's not clear by now I'll say it again; merch is not all that profitable.

In 2016 Disney had $5.5B in merch revenue. That's their piece. Gross revenue otoh was at least 10 times their share. Associated with those revenues were $3.5B of costs leaving an operating profit of $2B. For all of Disney. How much of that $2B is Spidey ? 5% maybe ? It's not that massive and a lot of 'belongs' to the comics and animation people anyway.
JDL
JDL - 9/3/2019, 2:23 PM
@HotHead15 One of the main purposes of editorials is discussion. If you aren't going to discuss then don't bother posting.
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