Ror Revisits: Spider-Man 3

Ror Revisits: Spider-Man 3

Pretty much universally despised by fanboys the world over. But is Sam Raimi's third(and last) Spidey flick really THAT bad? Click for my take..

Review Opinion
By MarkCassidy - Nov 26, 2010 04:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

I wasn't planning on going back to this until I had covered some more classic CBMs but I watched it again the other night out of sheer boredom and figured I may as well make it the next revisit. Spider-Man 3 has the honour of being one of those movies that is mercilessly maligned by fans without actually being a particularly bad movie. Not that its particularly good either, but aside from a few(ok, quite a few) missteps its really pretty entertaining. At least, it is from one perspective.

I think most will agree that the movie starts off fine. As in both previous, and superior instalments we are brought up to date on the life of Peter Parker(Tobey Maguire) via his opening voicover. And things are going well for him and his wall crawling alter ego. He and Mary Jane(Kirsten Dunst) are all loved up and happy, and Spider-Man is not only accepted, but loved by his adoring public. Unfortunately there is the small issue of Spidey having a hand in his former best friend's father's death. Harry Osbourne(Now Green Goblin 2..kinda) is out for revenge. Add to that escaped con Flint Marko(Thomas Haden Church) becoming the Sandman and an alien symbiot latching on to Parker and Spider-Man really has his work cut out.



And as the audience, so do we. Make no mistake, the 3 villain combo is what kills this film. Harry was always going to be in this as a bad guy, its been signposted since the end of the first movie and is just natural plot progression. The Sandman would and should have been enough of an addition, but since the decision was made to eventually give harry a change of heart, and also make Sandman sympathetic(which does happen in the comics by the way purists) I guess they needed a REAL bad guy. And we get one in the movie version of Venom. The problem with Venom is not so much the deviation in look from the comic, or Topher Grace as his eventual host Eddie Brock(who actually gives a good performance) but the rush job he receives. We go from an increasingly bad minded Parker to Brock as Venom in the blink of an eye, and already he is conspiring with Sandman to take down Spider-Man. It just feels wedged in there. And that's because it was. I'm not going to go too much into the whole controversy over Sam Raimi being strong armed to include the character because nobody really knows the full story. But watching the film, its not hard to believe that in some capacity, that is exactly what happened. The finale is just a mess. With characters motivations changing in seconds, and yet another damn last minute MJ rescue complete with cringy commentary from a news reporter. It all feels so samey. And coming off the excellent Spider-man 2, that is the last thing anyone wanted to see.

There are other problems of course. Things like The Sandman being Uncle Ben's actual killer and the decision to bring in Gwen Stacy(Bryce Dallas Howard) without actually giving her anything to do except get rescued and make MJ jealous do feel tagged on, but perhaps raise more ire in comic fans than casual movie goers. And then there's the "emo dance". Peter Parker, under the influence of the symbiote, dances down the street doing cheesy finger points to passing ladies. And its funny. Sorry, emo dance fan here! I laughed. Sure it might seem a bit out of place considering the transformation coming over Parker should be more bad guy, less mischievous pest. But that does emerge, and culminates in Parker back handing MJ. I hear all the time about how he should have been more evil, but what the Hell do you want in a PG13 film? Also, aside from any problems with the story, the cast are as good as ever. With new comers Church and Howard also on form, and the returning J.K Simmons as JJ Jameson once again threatening to steal the whole movie in his scenes. All give great performances and do their very best with the material. You can tell that Raimi too, despite what anyone may say about this self sabotage crap, really loves these characters and his usual heart on his sleeve approach is taken. Some feel that he puts too much emotion in these films but it works for me, and I hate sappy shit just for sappy shit's sake! Its a necessary part of any Spider-man story imo. But so too is action of course! And this film doesn't disappoint there either. There are some great set pieces all through the movie. The first Spidey/Osbourne mid air battle, the Gwen Stacy rescue, the Sandman sewer scrap. And even later on , as the story consumes itself, there is still enjoyment to be had from the visuals on display.

This is by far the worst of this trilogy, and its hard to defend a film with such a bad last act but its still not, overall, an outright bad film. The fact that it gets shoved in the same category as shit like Catwoman or even the Fantastic Four movies does it a disservice. The real tragedy for me is that we will never see how Raimi and co would have followed this up. Despite the problems with Spider-Man 3 I was really looking forward to a return to form, and to see this story progress. Lets just hope Marc Webb, Andrew Garfield and friends can reach the bar set by Raimi's first two films, particularly Spider-Man 2. Because for me and a lot of others, its a high one.




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starscream4president
starscream4president - 11/26/2010, 5:15 AM
If they manage to get the spiderman 2 magic back they're good. Spiderman 3 really hurts man. Sandman as main villain??? Brock looking skinny? Peter dancing? And of course too many characters etc...
megabatfan
megabatfan - 11/26/2010, 5:33 AM
It's no Batman and Robin, but alot of it was unnecessary. Don't know if it had to do with studio inteference or Raimi influence itself, but it was a huge disappointment compared to SM2
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 11/26/2010, 5:34 AM
The threequel in just about any CBM always seems to be crammed with too many characters, not enough story development, and general campiness. Good article Ror. Hopefully those that make the future CBM third and fourth installments (Nolan, Favreau, etc.) will have taken a lesson. This is why I have serious reservations about team-up movies like Avengers or JLA
spiderneil
spiderneil - 11/26/2010, 5:36 AM
the movie is no where bad as some people are making out. I was thinking of selling the blu ray a while back but before I did that I made a list of all the stuff I enjoyed about the movie

* the GG2 v peter parker
* the birth of sandman
* spidey v sandman - bank truck
* black suit spidey v sandman
* peter parker v harry osborn
* birth of venom
* final venom fight

no way was a going to sell the blu ray with so many moments I love.
AverageCitizen99
AverageCitizen99 - 11/26/2010, 5:38 AM
Good review man! I didn't get this reaction when I first saw the film because of the hype I was seeing on television at the time, but now seeing it from time to time on FX this was a disappointment, but not as bad as people make it out to be. The major problem is that things were rushed and characters were added too late. It just annoys me how everyone blames Topher for his version of Eddie Brock Jr. He was a fan before he even filmed this and got onto the project before he even layed eyes on the script. As I said, it's just ear damaging to hear someone blame him when they should be blaming how production went. He did with what he was given from the material (regardless of the size of his body, which doesn't even matter unless you're one of those hardcore fans). Would've liked to have seen what Sam had in store for us with this had it not been so rushed, maybe we could've gotten a decent finale.

I'm pretty sure the reboot will be stellar! Marc Webb is an excellent director and I'm certain he'll get Spidey back to to top form.

@Knightstalker & @spiderneil
Agreed. :)
golden123
golden123 - 11/26/2010, 5:40 AM
This is the only spider film I saw in theaters and I loved it. As of last month I now own it and I watched it for the second time and I really didn't think it was bad.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 11/26/2010, 5:41 AM
That's a damn good right up Ror, thoroughly enjoyable. I always wondered what it would have been like if they'd left Venom out of it. Was there any point in putting him or the symbiote in the film anyway (I thought the way the symbiote turned up with zero explanation was a classic studio bum rush). Topher Grace got a hard time from the extremists which was undeserving; he put on a cracking performance. I think because of the mess they turned Venom into, he was just somebody to blame; comments like "his acting is shit". Kind of like another actor in another superhero film...
What happened with this film is the fans were screaming for Venom so the studio crammed him into the film and when the fans got what they'd asked for, they hated it. It ruined the film, ruined plot progression and ruined character development. It just goes to show that when fans demand certain things be in a film and the studios listen, sometimes the fans are doing more harm than good.
I thought Spider-Man 3 had the potential to be a blistering 2 hr CBM action fest with a great story, and we got another Matrix Revolutions.

5/10
Orehrepus
Orehrepus - 11/26/2010, 5:55 AM
Nice revisit, Ror.
I agree, it's disappointing, but not to the level of XMO Wolverine crap.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 11/26/2010, 5:59 AM
i love sm3. could be better, could be worse. of course 2 is the best but 3 was great too. i agree with the review.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/26/2010, 6:11 AM
it was to far off the mark for us fanboys.

the only things i enjoyed about this movie was.

1.the birth of the sandman
2.spider-man vs the sandman (bank truck)
3.spider-man vs the sandman (black costume)
4.spider-man the crane rescue scene
5.the creation of venom in the church
6.gwen stacy

but everything else sucked really bad.

1.aunt may & mary jane are terrible in the film,can't stand either of them.
2.flint marko being uncle ben's killer.
3.sandman flying shit.
4.the all singing & dancing peter parker.
5.harry osborn night surfer crap,should of just become the green goblin 2.
6.the small skinny version of venom,should of been muscle bound.
7.venom in the film for half an hour is pointless & an insult to one of marvels fan favorites.
8.why does venom have to reveal his face everytime he has a line to say.
9.some of the most cringe wortrhly lines ever delivered.
10.the director was definetly the wrong choice,stick to horror sam rami.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 11/26/2010, 6:18 AM
The only good thing about this movie was the fairly impressive CGI fight scenes. The script was appalling, most of the acting was bad (only Franco was actually any good IMO - most of the returning cast were given such bad material to work with, it's hard to enjoy what they did) and they just made far too many mistakes in terms of characters.

The worst parts?

-Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer
-Harry's idiotic amnesia phase lasting all of 10 minutes
-That stupid [frick]ing dancing
-Ridiculous waste of JJJ in that silly pills/buzzer scene
-Venom
-Bad portrayal of the symbiote

That's just a few of the worst things off the top of my head, and while there were still some really great moments, the fact that it had the potential to be sooooo much better means that I cant help but rate this any more than 1.5/5. I know he had a lot of studio inteference, but I'm glad Raimi never got to make Spider-Man 4.

Great review as always ROR! :)
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 11/26/2010, 6:19 AM
Well said deadpool72! :D
KillerOfSaints
KillerOfSaints - 11/26/2010, 6:31 AM
Better than Batman and Robin...yet worse then Fant4 and Fant4:ROSS but as bad as Superman 3!!!!!!
dancingmonkey08
dancingmonkey08 - 11/26/2010, 6:32 AM
Ror, this is the reason I love your reviews, you give a proper review to each movie and talk about its good points and its bad points in equal measure. Unlike a lot of 12 year old comic book fans on this site, you just dont come out and say the movie was shit in general without giving the reasons why it was shit. I wish there was more like you on here, Ror

I agree with most of your review, the three villain combo DOES kill the movie. Harry on his own wouldnt have been enough for the movie, a second villain was needed but three was definetly too much. As you said, the finale was a bloody mess and if the chick who played the reporter hadnt died in real life, I would be saying many harsh words about her but I have respect for the dead. Now I repeat what Spider-Man 3 should have been like in nearly any Spidey-related article but here goes again:

Spider-Man 3 would have been better if they had stuck with the angry Peter that shouted at his landlord. There should have been no Gwen, no Sandman plot (and as you said the whole pointless thing of him being Uncle Ben's killer), no dancing (although I do agree with you it was hilarious, I dont think there was any need to put it in the movie). The movie should have been the basic plot of Spidey 1 again with Spidey vs. Goblin but as Peter would have known Goblin's true identity this time around, he would have been trying to talk Harry round but the Goblin formula would be impairing Harry's judgement & he wouldn’t listen. There could have been a theme of substance abuse, of how the Goblin formula was influencing Harry and the symbiote was influencing Peter like drugs and alcohol influence people's behaviour. Peter could have gotten rid of the symbiote and it could have latched on to Eddie. Then the rest of the movie could have had Harry and Venom work together to take down Spidey. Harry would overcome the Goblin formula and redeemed himself, leading to the actual Spidey 3 ending (but this time the symbiote disappearing before Spidey could kill it)

Again, I agree with your points about the action scenes, they are fantastic and the actors are amazing as usual, Raimi does pick some of the best actors to be in the Spidey movies. In my opinion when it comes to CBMs, theres three sections to put them in: amazing, alright & non-memorable and downright bad and imo, Spidey 3 falls in the second one, not with movies of Catwoman's appaling quality (which unfortunately idiots will continue to put it in this category)

One major thing I have to disagree with is you said Topher was good, he was terrible. Now I know you are supposed to hate the villain, but because of what they are doing to innocent people or Spider-Man, NOT because they are annoying [frick]tard who keeps coming out with crappy lines. I just wanted Venom to disappear very fast, not something I feel when reading about the character in the comics

As you said Marc Webb has a tough act to follow, and I hope he does well but part of me would look forward more to a Spidey 4 (maybe with a new cast) directed by Raimi to see what lessons he would have learned from Spidey 3 (a gun aimed at the studio bosses would have been good lol). I would have rather this than yet another bloody pointless reboot. It better be good Webb, or comic book fans will probably destroy you lol

Looking forward to your next review, Ror
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/26/2010, 6:46 AM
@ joshw

cheers,mate. :D

its shame really after how great spider-man 2 was i expected a lot from spider-man 3 & from the trailer i thought it was gonna deliver.

lets hope the spider-man reboot is more like spider-man 2 & not like spider-man 3.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/26/2010, 6:53 AM
Cool review, I'm just sad RAIMI didn't get the chance to make up for SPIDEY 3 with SPIDEY 4 to make it as gold as 1 & 2 again!

Reboots wayyy too early and IF Webb goes Ultimate (which I'm 99% sure he will) SPIDEY 3 is gonna look a masterpiece compared to it! : P

Thumbs up.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/26/2010, 6:54 AM
SPIDER-MAN 4 (KRAVEN & LIZARD) : P
golden123
golden123 - 11/26/2010, 6:56 AM
Why are people annoyed at the singing and dancing? He was trying to impress a girl and make another girl jealous. I know guys (if they had the talent) who would do that.
For the venom promblem I thought of it as more of the symbiote than of venom and the symbiote got plenty of screen time.
IronicMan
IronicMan - 11/26/2010, 7:03 AM
Jazz Dance fan here.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/26/2010, 7:05 AM
I always wonder about the hate for the dancing bits too. That sort of stuff is all over some of the comics! Spider-Man can get dark, but there is a lot of fun and humour there too. Anyway, thanks guys. Nice to get feedback good and bad.
megabatfan
megabatfan - 11/26/2010, 7:07 AM
@ deadpool...I agree with your comments on SM3. But c'mon....he gave us 2 really good movies. I think it's unfair to crucify any director whose 3rd flick didn't hit the mark. It's not like Schumaker who gave us two neon-lit, campy-assed movies. SM3 just wasn't that good. at least that's how i see it. I can tolerate watching it, enjoy it, but will still be disappointed at some of the parts in the movie (dancing peter the most...i cringed at that scene - lol)
However, Schumaker has made me ignore the existence of Forever and B&R. NOW THAT'S DEFINITELY A WRONG CHOICE OF DIRECTOR
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/26/2010, 7:17 AM
@ megabatman

i think spider-man 2 is great a classic,but spider-man.

the first films biggest fault for me was the green goblin costume he looked like he should be fighting iron man not spidey. :D

1.spider-man 2 (great)
2.spider-man (alright/good)
3.spider-man 3 (most of it was crap)
xmentheeight
xmentheeight - 11/26/2010, 7:53 AM
Why are people annoyed with the singing and dancing?!!? Come on fam!...U gotta be kidding with that question. This movie isnt a musical. Talent to do it or not,it was cheesy, misplaced and just schlocky.

As far as the movie, I never had a problem with Sandman being the main villian(although having him being Uncle Ben's "accidental" killer was straight up p*#sy move), nor would have minded Osborn getting in on the action in trying to take Spider out. What everyone agrees on and what I have a problem with was the inclusion of Venom. I liked Topher....and no, I dont need Venom to be Arnold Schwarzenegger in a Spiderman costume. Lets be real here...unless U are having wet dreams to Eddie Brock bench pressing, thats a small liberty to be ignored. Essentially Venom was physically bigger than Peter, as it is in comics, so lets be done with that. But leave Eddie in the movie as a occasional pain in the ass that develops a beef with Spidey for whatever delusional reason. Now getting to my main point, that movie besides the villians should have been Peter having the symbiote, enjoying the power and eventually being corrupted by it.....then of course realizing that it was more than what it seemed and made the choice to be rid of it.

The final scenes of that movie should have been Peter in the bell tower getting rid of the symbiote, and thinking he destroyed it. Dont have the symbiote find Eddie at that same exact moment....flash forward a bit and have it find him in the church. The very final scene could have been the scene that we know where he is consumed and lurches at the screen or it coulda been played how it was in his first cameo in Amazing Spiderman, when all U saw was shadow and his hand being consumed by the symbiote.....or even better play like his first appearance when he threatens MJ with the "Honey Im home", line.
ManicCynic
ManicCynic - 11/26/2010, 7:55 AM
Classy review, dude. Keep it up.
megabatfan
megabatfan - 11/26/2010, 8:10 AM
@xmentheeight - damn straight...how couldn't the studio have seen this. & this would've made for an EPIC spidey4 with vnom as the main villian.

@deadpool...yup! that's about right! Good that dancing...was channel surfing sm time & i saw that scene (could've been an ad i don't knw), but i passed over that station like a bat out of hell
Shaman
Shaman - 11/26/2010, 8:12 AM
Good write-up, Ror! But to answer your question, Peter could have been more evil in the sense of being more aggressive which i felt he appropriately was, but the dancing actually made him less like how he should have been. Sure the dancing was good ol' family fun, but it's really not something Evil Peter would have done. As for the rest of the film, sure Marco HAS been good in the books before, but having finished the second one in the same fashion with Doc Oc not being fully maniacal, just made Marco's change of heart that much more "meh". It felt unnecessary and overused. And that's not even mentionning making him Ben's true really real killer. Venom was decent. His intro and end are the true insults to the fans, but the rest was decent. I personally don't understand why the scriptwriters or even Raimi couldn't have figured out a better ending without the help of Ninja Goblin, but to me that was the nail in the coffin. They had no idea who Spider-man was, what made Spider-man who he is, what makes him interesting and even more so, HOW Spidey normally deals with plenty of villains on his own. The film was a promisse to be as good if not more so than the second WITH the inclusion of the fans' most anticipated Spidey villain! So naturally, the order was too tall for Raimi to deliver. HOWEVER, in the end, i still see no reason why Raimi couldn't have made a better film WITH Venom included in it, even if it was a last minute rush job. He's a constant quality film maker that ended his trilogy by giving us cabage. Nothing more. Thank god he wasn't allowed to bring us a Vulturess and a Mechwarrior sized Vulture.

RyKnow- Uh no. The fans never EVER "screamed" to get Venom included in the film at the last minute when there were already two freakin' villains already established in the script. That NEVER happened. The fans have been screaming for a Spider-man film with Venom as THE MAIN villain ALONE since the first film came out! Which means that there was NOTHING stopping Raimi from making a great Spider-man film where he went up against Venom ALONE. Nothing but Raimi himself as it happens because he was BENT on making the film's villain Sandman and never having to deal with Venom, ever. He through him in because the studio pushed him to do it, but he botched up the job himself like the big boy that he is. He dropped the ball on purpose and he was so tired of the fans' backlash that he pitched a real [frick]ed up fourth film script to the studios. One that he knew damn well wouldn't be accepted. The end, reboot initiated.

xmentheeight- I agree with every word you said!!! AMEN!!!
spiderneil
spiderneil - 11/26/2010, 8:20 AM
SM - 8/10
SM2 - 9/10
SM3 - 6/10

I freaking LOVE SM2, it's my favorite CBM after TDK. I think I loved SM2 so much (saw it 5 times at the cinema) that the disappointment (rather than hate) of SM3 hit me like a train. I'm a lot more forgiving of SM3 than say FF or wolverine as at least SM3 is entertaining.
Diodoro
Diodoro - 11/26/2010, 8:23 AM
i can actually watch this film over and over whenever it comes on cable. I'd be a terrible fibber not to admit that. But I'd also be lying to not say that there are many parts that i have to cringe thru - as with the miscast Ms.Dunst, in every scene where i have to endure her complaining and down trodden expressions. The action scenes where up to par,and there some cheesy scenes i can love because they go so well with the character >like the way Pete marches w/ the band beat in the beginning(looking like a dork - lol). But even non purists like my sister complained about the film ( no not just the dance scene). Topher grace played the high energy, fast talking, opportunist well in the beginning, but the distraught, humiliated church praying "Brock" wasn't convincing to me. There were other complaints I had which may be identified as purist peeve, like " damn why couldn't Venom at least shoot the webs from the back top of his hands", but whatever.

But as always, Jameson owned the flick. I can't see anybody doing it better. Thomas Hayden Church was the premiere Sandman, from the box head look to the voice. The end scenes with the 3 on the ledge where Harry dies had to be enough to halfway put a lump in your throats (come on - admit it). Aunt May forgave Pete- Harry and Pete forgave each other and Pete forgave the Sandman. I guess we gotta forgive them and move on.

Thannx Ror for giving us the space for a much needed catharsis.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 11/26/2010, 8:24 AM
Good review Ror. I have to say, Spider-Man 3 is the best movie ever made in my opinion.
OverCross
OverCross - 11/26/2010, 8:26 AM
megabatfan
megabatfan - 11/26/2010, 8:30 AM
@Shaman...I've been wondering the same thing. Knowing Raimi's love for the character, i really think he was upset by studio pressure and the end result was Spider-man 3. As for Spider-man 4, it really sounded quite ridiculous & a horrible follow up.
xmentheeight
xmentheeight - 11/26/2010, 8:41 AM
@Megabatfan- Exactly....I left it out by mistake, but yes the whole point would be to set up for Spiderman 4...and Venom could have Spidey all to himself with no interruptions. Again....going back to the first appearance of Venom, have him mess with Peter's head....showing up at Aunt May's and having the symbiote threaten to snatch her up, while Eddie just smiles and acts like him and Peter are the closet of friends.
SpiderBat209
SpiderBat209 - 11/26/2010, 8:46 AM
I enjoyed this movie, yet didn't when I first saw it. I eventually saw it a second time in Summer of 09 with a group of friends one morning,(we were working on another friend's indie zombie short film)We woke to coffee, donuts, and SM3 and we turned it into a "Rocky Horror" get together of sorts.

We sat around (guys and gals) and just laughed, picking this film apart! Which sounds mean, I know, but we certainly shut our mouths and watched in awe at the rescue/fight scenes, and were still all bummed when Harry Osborn died. And YES, I am a fan of Dancing/Sidewalk/Emo Spidey! That scene made me laugh in the theater and still cracks me up! That was Raimi's knod to the "Disco Pimp" era (the 70's) he grew up in! XD

We all concluded in the end, it was still a good Raimi movie! Flawed but good. And it gave our group one of our most memorable gatherings of that Summer. It sucks Raimi's run is over, but I am looking forward to the new films. Hopefully Webb will do well, but I agree with ROR, Spiderman 2 will be difficult to top! :)
Shaman
Shaman - 11/26/2010, 8:52 AM
megabatfan- Right? I mean seriously, where's the logic in someone as competant as Raimi, who actually successfully made not one but TWO amazing Spider-man films, to end it all by giving us not only Spider-man 3 but that shitty excuse for a story pitch with the fourth?!?!?! The ONLY sensible outcome is that he purposely did it. It would have been the same if Tim Burton gave us two very decent Batman films only to follow it up by making a stink like Batman Forever and then announcing his thoughts on making George Clooney Batman and Arnold Mr Freeze. It's practically professional suicide. I don't see Raimi ever being considered for another tent pole feature ever again. And that's a damn shame cause he'd rock the hell out of The Shadow!!!
SuperSpiderMan5778
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 11/26/2010, 9:27 AM
thanks for the good read ror

i agree w/you 100%. it wasn't bad nor was it good but it was entertaining. i loved venom but they should have never put him in this movie point blank.
WireySpindell
WireySpindell - 11/26/2010, 9:28 AM
Man, it boggles my mind when ppl say 1&2 were good. 2 was on the tv the other day, and it's a pretty weak movie. 1&3 I can't sit through. The relationship btwn Parker and MJ make me cringe every time thy speak, and everything is ridiculously cheesy and heavy handed. IMHO, these were all pretty bad films.

Bring on the reboot!
WireySpindell
WireySpindell - 11/26/2010, 9:37 AM
Man, it boggles my mind when ppl say 1&2 were good. 2 was on the tv the other day, and it's a pretty weak movie. 1&3 I can't sit through. The relationship btwn Parker and MJ make me cringe every time thy speak, and everything is ridiculously cheesy and heavy handed. IMHO, these were all pretty bad films.

Bring on the reboot!
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