SPIDER-MAN 4: Web slingers… amongst the carnage!

SPIDER-MAN 4: Web slingers… amongst the carnage!

The little we know of the follow up to the disappointing third chapter leaves us with very little aspirations.

Editorial Opinion
By Shaman - Jan 08, 2009 12:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Not only the fans but the masses are still boiling to the outcome of what was to be the most expensive movie ever made. In short we all feel as if we were robbed. Although the movie itself was every bit the exciting thrill ride Superman Returns was, it unfortunately fallowed along the same lines as much of a disgrace it was to the storyline as well as the cast of the ever so popular characters of the original material.

The Spider-man franchise had been the first in a very long time to bring satisfaction to the incredibly demanding fans of the comic books. Before Batman re-began, Spider-man was to be THE chosen one to bring the comic books back to the box office. And because of the Hulk’s failure, it was also the one to keep the trend alive until DC/WB passed on the cape and cowl. Granted a few fans nit picked about a few details, the first two movies were still very accurate adaptations of the source. But as they say “Third one’s the curse” or is it… whatever. They merchandised the movie to a point where it became insignificantly the most expensive movie ever when there was obviously no need for it. They’re ambitions to break the record so to speak was their downfall in the end. From all the hype that was thrown at us on a daily basis, we all had expectation to which would never possibly be met. In short, they had created a monster that went out of control!

The main sacrilege that was committed by these infidels was of course towards the die hard fans. They obviously forgot how many of us actually exist. Here’s what the franchise did differently than Superman’s. In Superman’s case, we hadn’t even heard of him at the box office since the 80’s and his two last versions weren’t worthy of the paper they were written on so the last film to come our way rightfully had a 50% chance of failure. Where as Spider-man’s franchise had succeeded twice in the same decade and no logical reason to fail. They had a winning recipe and they spit in it. The so called “curse” exists because of them. They dropped the ball so now DC/WB is worried about the possible outcome and are patiently waiting on an insecure director’s whim to continue the bat franchise. They are also probably waiting on how good the fourth Spider-flick will do just to see if the curse sticks to the franchise past the third mark. Either way, if the production team spends less money on selling the movie and more time on creating a storyline that remains true to what has sold the comic book for ages, they should be fine.

I think that it is time for them to exploit a story line from the books that has sold in all out popularity with the fans. Although they have disgraced Uncle Ben’s killer’s aspect and had made it into a tie-in for their idiotic re-invention of Sandman’s character, they still incorporated interesting tie-ins for more popular characters which gives us hope that they can “revive” the franchise. Granted Venom’s portrayal was broken by Topher Grace but the character is not without fixing. Having Topher as Eddie kind of made me hesitant to if they would show Peter, MJ, Gwen and Eddie all around a table with the camera turning in the middle while they all enjoyed a “bahama stick”. But as he is still a talented actor, he did the best he could, he was just wrongly cast. Let’s face it, who here would say no to a chance to play Venom? Now a lot of fans have been hoping for a Venom spin-off to see the light of day however, I firmly believe that the character is not yet ripe enough for his “stand alone” feature film. Sure it has chances to sell but why not make his first shot a sure bet? We already have the character’s origins established now all he needs is a reason to jump on the other side of the fence so to speak. And I think Peter Parker's new love interest should be Felicia Hardy as Black Cat in the next movie. Now lately there has been this trend of incorporating more than one villain. If done correctly, I don’t foresee a problem but it is not needed. What is needed is a big enough threat and I think that that aspect is very much so what the last movie was lacking. The villains in the last movie were really not threatening enough in comparison to the destruction of the city which was to happen at the end of the second chapter. And I think that we’ll all agree that nothing is as threatening as Carnage! That was probably the most popular story of Spider-man’s existence and deserves its own movie. Let’s face it, Superman has his Doomsday, Spider-man has his Carnage.

Now the purpose for my article is not just to say how things should be done in the upcoming movie but more to point out the mistakes in the last one so that they don’t happen again. The storylines changes being the main “faux-pas” obviously means that the source material should not be compromised in it’s adaptation but the other main fault was in they’re casting. The cast needs to be accurate to make the characters believable as well as make the transition from comic book to film seamless. They will also need to cast popular enough actors to give the characters a valid chance of making their own spin-off movie a success. In my opinion, three ongoing characters were wrongly cast and should be past on to better contenders. Venom’s character being filled with rage and jealousy towards Peter Parker needs to have a darker and more intense actor than a clown from a 70’s show. Since the story also requires for Eddie to be in prison, I think a bit “experience” behind bars would give the character that much more realism. I had already used this actor in a previous article for a totally different role and did not have the fans’ unanimity. I find that he might just have what it takes to do justice to this previously wronged popular role. He has the intensity required but is less chaotic than his ex cell mate. I give you… Wentworth Miller as Venom!!!



Now this character has always been there since childhood in Peter’s storyline. She was brilliantly played in the first two movies however she seemed to have lost her edge. I don’t know if that happened intentionally but I think that if her character is to remain in the spotlight, someone else my carry the torch better. I give you… Alyson Hannigan as Mary Jane!



This next character is by far one of the sexiest super heroes ever to be part of the Marvel Universe. So you’ll understand why I cast this actress for the role. She needs to not only be attractive but incredibly seductive. The charm that transpires through Felicia should be overwhelming! And I believe this next pick has not only the perfect look but the undisputed rightful attitude naturally! I give you… Hayden Panettiere as Black Cat!!!



And last but not least, the most psychotic killer Marvel has ever spawned! Cletus Kasady was born to be evil! He has a troubled childhood, killing his grandmother by pushing her down a flight of stairs, and torturing his mother's dog who afterwards tries to kill him and is apparently beaten to death by his father, who receives no defense from Kasady during his trial. As an orphan, Kasady is sent to the St. Estes Home for Boys, where his antisocial behavior makes him the target of abuse from both the other orphans and the staff. Kasady vindicates himself by murdering the disciplinarian administrator and burning down the orphanage. He meets Eddie Brock being his cell mate in prison and that’s where Eddie’s symbiot spawned a raw version of it self and took hold of Cassidy! The actor I picked already portrayed a psychotic role of sorts but since the franchise is anticipated to be rebooted, I think he’s up for grabs. He has proven that he has exactly what it takes to play this chaotic role. I give you… Colin Farrell as Carnage!!!



The “Shaman” has spoken!
SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY Rumored To Be Looking For A Harris Dickinson-Type - Could It Be Harry Osborn?
Related:

SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY Rumored To Be Looking For A "Harris Dickinson-Type" - Could It Be Harry Osborn?

DEXTER: RESURRECTION First Trailer Sees Dexter Join An AVENGERS-Style Group Of Serial Killers
Recommended For You:

DEXTER: RESURRECTION First Trailer Sees Dexter Join An AVENGERS-Style Group Of Serial Killers

DISCLAIMER: As a user generated site and platform, ComicBookMovie.com is protected under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and "Safe Harbor" provisions.

This post was submitted by a user who has agreed to our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. ComicBookMovie.com will disable users who knowingly commit plagiarism, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement. Please CONTACT US for expeditious removal of copyrighted/trademarked content. CLICK HERE to learn more about our copyright and trademark policies.

Note that ComicBookMovie.com, and/or the user who contributed this post, may earn commissions or revenue through clicks or purchases made through any third-party links contained within the content above.

1 2 3
TheSoulEater
TheSoulEater - 1/8/2009, 5:00 PM
I knew I wasn't the only one who thought Miller would rock as Venom!!
ThePrince
ThePrince - 1/8/2009, 5:12 PM
well im 50/50. i like the first two but not to sure about the second two. and just for the record, there would be no reason to re-cast the role of Gwen Stacy because FELICIA HARDY was the Black Cat. and COllin for Kletus....uhhh im not to sure about that. i have said for years, and will continue to say that Matthew Lillard, if not me, would be perfect for that role. just look at what he did at the end of Scream, pure psycho.
TeenIdol
TeenIdol - 1/8/2009, 5:35 PM
Farell and Hannigan sound like terrible choices in my opinion.

For some reason I always thought the dude who played Flash in the first Spidey flick was set to be the tie-in for Venom. They obviously ended his character in terrible terms with Peter and Jane, so it would've made perfect sense.
anthonystark86
anthonystark86 - 1/8/2009, 5:50 PM
Well no harm to you guy, but I think they are bad bad bad choices. You were talking about how the Uncle Ben`s killer aspect was badly tampered with in Spidey 3, how can you possibly suggest tampering with Felicia Hardy by making Gwen Stacy Black Cat? I mean come on. In my opinion man, If I HAD to pick someone to play Carnage, it would definetly be Ben Foster, he can pull off crazy on-screen.
VitMagic
VitMagic - 1/8/2009, 5:56 PM
wentworth would definately be a step up from that mega tool topher grace. but he would have to buff up more to play eddie brock. topher was to weak to have played venom. he was supposed to be yoked and strong as hell already before the symbiote.

bryce dallas howard as gwen stacy wasnt all too bad. she was pregnant during filming in spiderman 3. so she could definately be a little more fit in the next one. hayden doesnt do it for me personally, so i wouldnt pick her to replace if they did indeed replace. shes too short and stubby and annoying. looks good in that pic though.

alyson hannigan would also be better looking than the roundish, less bonerfying dunst. but would she be able to act the part. maybe. but i say just get rid of mary jane for atlest the next pic. let pete play the field a bit. stacy or hardy.

carnage would be a legit character villian in the next installment. farrel could probably pull it off. just not sure if i would want him too.

but i do love these articles shaman
Shaman
Shaman - 1/8/2009, 6:33 PM
I think i'm the one who was enjoy the "Bahaman stick". LOL Sorry guys my bad, for some stupid reason, i had in mind that Gwen was Black Cat, I'll go fix that...like NOW!!!
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 1/8/2009, 6:37 PM
other than farrell. i love the choices. i agree with the other guy tho. i think matthew lillard would be a good carnage. so keep hayden as the cat and keep bryce as gwen, but please dear god kill her off. they made spider man too romantic in my opinion
Shaman
Shaman - 1/8/2009, 6:37 PM
Ok, for some reason, i can't access my article to edit it. I'll fix it ASAP.
phendry
phendry - 1/8/2009, 6:43 PM
I think the best choice for Carnage is Steve Buscemi he's a psycho!!! would be perfect for that role! or...maybe...Crispin Glover or Paul Bettany....
JRay420
JRay420 - 1/8/2009, 7:10 PM
I think wentworth would make a pretty good venom and i think Colin Farrell would do pretty good as carnage but you have to remeber carnage is f-ing physco so we'll see if he can pull it off.
but Hayden Panettiere as Black Cat!!! NO WAY!!!
the black cat is Felicia hardy not Gwen Stacy so they have to find another girl for that role.
as for Alyson Hannigan as mj no way they just need to write off mj to make room for other female love interests for peter
Shaman
Shaman - 1/8/2009, 7:22 PM
I tottally agree with writing off MJ, i just put that pic up there for nostalgic MJ fans. I think her character's done. And yeah, i know, i made a boo boo in saying that gwen was black cat... so we can stop posting about that LOL As soon as i have access to my work computer tomorow morning, the problem will be solved :)) Sorry...
kayjayzdad
kayjayzdad - 1/8/2009, 7:24 PM
Wentworth Miller as Venom? Alyson Hannigan as M.J.? Hayden Panettiere AS Black Cat? Dude are you an idiot? I can see Colin Farrell as Carnage but he's already played Bullseye and it would be stupid for him to change characters being that if Daredevil is ever redone he should definitely replay the role. What is it with you geeks and Panettiere? She's not that hot and she's definitely no black cat. Vin Diesel should have been Venom from the beginning. Kate Hudson would be a good choice for MJ, I think Kate would look gorgous with Red Hair and she has that sassy personality like MJ does.
ottoevans
ottoevans - 1/8/2009, 7:37 PM
way better than the superman cast you came up with.
ottoevans
ottoevans - 1/8/2009, 7:40 PM
i take it back, Wentworth Miller as venom and the Heroes girl ? Jesus man stop watching trash tv.

Migh as well cast Simon from American Idol and the cast of the real world
Shaman
Shaman - 1/8/2009, 8:22 PM
kayjayzdad- I don't know what planet you live on but on mine, Vin Diesel's a tool and Kate Hudson has nothing on the plate to offer, NAH-THING!!! Hayden is hot and actually has the charm to pull off Black Cat. Who would you pick? Rose "baby vomit, screw my way into showbiz" McGowan??? And MJ sucks, she has no freakin purpose what so ever. Neither does Gwen Stacey for that matter which is why i made the error in the first place.

ottoevans- Their suck ass shows don't take anything away from their acting talent, they're both very decent actors. One happens to be dark enough for Venom and the other is hot enough for Black Cat. So who would you pick then?
Shaman
Shaman - 1/8/2009, 8:42 PM
AceOfKnaves- I hate Lillard with a passion! He can only play "stupid". Did you even see In the Name of the King? He was the only actor who stood out from the croud. He was so out of place i couldn't understand how the director let him overact like that. Then i found out who Uwe Boll really is. I finally understood. Lillard has no talent what so ever. Name the movie: Scream, Wing Commander, Summer Catch, In the name of the king, all suck ass performances.

AnthonyStark- I like Ben Foster as an actor but to me he's just not "natural psychotic". No doubt he'd do a good job but not great.

fartbiscuit26- Thanks for the compliment, i know i struck a nerv with this one. No one can seem to agree when it comes down to Spidey, everyone has different opinions. Which makes an interesting thread :)

Jos, i agree totally, Spidey is waaayy too romantic.
007440
007440 - 1/8/2009, 9:00 PM
Yes! That dude is perfect for Venom.

I agreed Mary Jane in the franchise was good, but she is suppose to be more expose and show a little more skin like in the comics. Also less insecure and more daring.

Not a bad choice for black cat :)

I think Carnage is a bit more mental, I think Jim Carey could play him well. I know a lot of people think of him as a comic first but If you saw the Number 23 movie you can see he can be a psychopath as well.But Colin could pull it off. :)
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 1/8/2009, 9:04 PM
I still disagree with Farrell. But damn ya'll are taken this shit too seriously. Shaman has done a damn good job on here. No, need to attack the man cuz u disagree. Just say "hey, i disagree...this, in my opinion would be better." Not to mention its his fansite and he can do w-er tf he wants to do...
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 1/8/2009, 9:04 PM
Shaman im all aboard with the Farreller as Carnage and Hot Heroes chick as Black Cat..even if shes a bit too young. But i have to say i think Alyson Hannigan may well be the most miscast person i have ever seen as MJ! Shes cute at best, no way is she sexy enough to pull off that role..i have only ever seen her do geeky which is the exact opposite of MJs character..granted she may be a decent enough acrtress to pull it off ..but no..just no!

Just dye Megan Foxes hair and there you are!

by the way Shaman if your into Akira at all check out my article on the new movie
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 1/8/2009, 9:20 PM
why didn't you recast spider man himself?
TheMyth
TheMyth - 1/8/2009, 9:24 PM
Shaman whats goin on man. I have to say that I don't think these picks are up to your usually standards. Your Venom pick look great. Hayden from Heroes is a decent pick, as she definitely has the body, but I'm worried that her face is just a little too... innocent I guess is the word I'm lookin for. If you want a dynamite red head to replace Dunst, Isla Fischer is superhot and not at all a bad actress. And I don't know why, but I just don't like Colin Ferrel, but I can't think of anyone else at the moment. Someone above said Steve Buscemi, that isn't a bad pick, but not great either. I swear you will all laugh, buyt you know who has a Cletus Casidy look naturally, Lyle Lovett, too bad he probably couldn't act the part, but he does resemble Cletus, albeit an older Cletus, with the curly Pompadore hair style, tall and thin build, and just a general eeriness in his face that I can't put my finger on it.
Shaman I hope I wasn't to rough. Your a cool guy with great articles, I just wonder if you were a bit tired when you did this one. :)
randyjohn
randyjohn - 1/8/2009, 9:27 PM
i don't think they should re-cast qwen stacey. if you compare the original artwork of qwen stacey and bryce dallas howard the resemblance is uncanny. i also realize that qwen ended up being spidey's main squeeze for a long time but i don't think the dynamic is there enough (as shown in #3 anyways) to overthrow mj. on the other hand, if they did maybe they could focus more on the villains and the action and put less attention on his love life. i do agree that an mj exit wouldn't hurt, but if a recast was in order i'd agree with myth's isla fischer or definitely shannon elizabeth.

i never quite agreed with topher as venom. he did well as a peter parker adversary but couldn't quite meet muster against spidey. i also agree that the guy that did flash sounded like a better idea.

i think carnage would definitely be badass bitchin in a movie. in watching 12 monkeys and fight club, brad pitt would've been a good choice... just 10 years ago. farrell i agree could pull it off but i'd really like to see some new or lesser known actors take on some of these roles. all these kid actors turned big action movie stars is becoming a cliche in itself.
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 1/8/2009, 9:41 PM
someone posted on google that robert knepper should be carnage, i've seen him in a few things. nothing major, and i've never really paid attention. But, i went through the trouble of comparing and contrasting him and cletus. I think he could pull it off pretty damn good
HOWLER16
HOWLER16 - 1/8/2009, 9:48 PM
i agree with the one who plays venom....

for mj why not meagan fox....she may pull it off....


for black cat...i though mostly reese witherspoon...
or jessica biel

i always thought jim carrey would be a perfect carnage....

but since i saw leonardo dicaprio in gilbert grape
...i though ..if he can play ..a .menatlly ill person...why not a pychopath.....not to be messed up..or anything.

...or even mark walberg as carnage...
they should kill of mj
rushr
rushr - 1/8/2009, 10:15 PM
yep guys hardy was the black cat not gwen. and hell no dont recast gwen. she was played perfectly and didnt shine due to the lack of camera time. and i agree grace was just poorly recasted not that he sucked cuz ive seen spidey 3 more than 10 times and i do believe he did his best as venom. haydens a ok choice i guess for hardy/black cat. she is hot but idk about her. no recast for mj just if anything write her off and introduce more love interest for spidey. prehaps it should be gwen, black cat, and betty brant all guning for peter. the actress who play betty should be a main character like in the comics but shes been overlooked in the spidey films....
rUShR sIgnIn ofF..
TucsonRican
TucsonRican - 1/8/2009, 11:08 PM
Hmmm...I don't like your picks at all Shaman. Not on this one. Here are my picks:

Venom: Domenic Purcell (he play's Wentworth's brother on Prison Break)

MJ: Scarlett Johanson. (I just think she is sooo much hotter than Dunst.)

Black Cat: Julie Benz

Carnage: Josh Lucas. (Watch him in Wonderland.)
adamant877
adamant877 - 1/8/2009, 11:12 PM
Megan Fox for Mary Jane, and Leland Orser for Cledus Cassidy. Wentworth Miller is a decent enough pick for Eddie Brock, the only pick I'm on the fence about is Hayden Penettiere as the Black Cat. She's gorgeous, and I absolutely adore her, but she's a little short. We need a full framed female vixen here.
Juskool2000
Juskool2000 - 1/9/2009, 1:58 AM
I agree with your choice for Venom, but Alyson Hannigan isn't sassy enough to play MJ and Hayden Panettiere is a little too short to play Black Cat. Colin Farell as Carnage? I think a much better choice would be Stephen Dorff.
Dragodon
Dragodon - 1/9/2009, 2:05 AM
I agree with TucsonRican on Dominic Purcell as venom. I liked him in Blade 3 and Grave Dancers. Scarlet and Julie should be decent. I haven't seen Josh Lucas in action, but if he can play psycopath real good, then he'd be the one for Carnage.

Here's what I thought they should have done with Spiderman 3. Introduce the Sandman and have Spiderman's ass handed to him. Then comes the symbiote to help defeat Sandman. In the meantime, dwell on more of the symbiotes control over Peter and the clash between Peter and Eddie. Then have the movie end with Peter ripping off the symbiote in the church tower like in the movie and then just carry venom over in the fourth film. I thought it was bull**** to wait till the end of the movie for a kick ass villian to come out and then get killed off. I wasn't too happy when they gave Two face the same treatment in the Dark Night. They need to make sure there is plenty of face time between the heroes and the villians. That's what makes the fans enjoy these f**king movies, duh!
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 1/9/2009, 3:40 AM
I have said and will continue to say that Spidey's biggest stories are those in which something deeply resonates within his character. Both movie one and two followed this route especially in seeing Octavius and the corruption of his own accidental gift of power. Thus the most deadly villains are those that can affectuate him and force him to question himself, his purpose, his power, and his sanity. Spider-man is not a soley action or plot driven story. It's always been at it's peak, a character driven story. And all the deeply enduring villains have at one time or another proven that they work best when challenging Spidey at his core.

I chose a duo of the Chameleon, a character who can force Peter to see himself by taking on not only the Spider, but the Peter guise as well. He has no offensive super powers so this power struggle is all about the question of Identity- a theme that has shown itself again and again, and again in the comics. The second villain of the Duo would be of course Mysterio. Scarecrow worked well in Batman Begins. I don't see why Mysterio wouldn't work. He has, in the past, come very close to causing Peter to believe he has gone clinically insane. To the point where he managed to pose as Peter's psychiatrist, and god knows he already needs one.

I don't think MJ should be written off the story. I don't mind if she takes a detour in their relationship considering it wasn't until the third time peter proposed to her that she actually accepted. Mary Jane is a very complex character and whether or not she's actually activly on the scene Peter is ALWAYS affected by her. You forget Gwen and MJ were girlfriends in the comic and having a female friend to play off of might add some new levity to the story that doesn't require scaring people by "anti-dancing" on the sidewalk.

Also I think it would be a great idea to have Doctor Connors start his experiments as a lead into the Lizard in the 5th film. He could even share a role with Kraven considering it's animal vs. hunter and that Chameleon(if he were in 4th film) is Kraven's brother. Besides animal Vs. Hunter= most people Animal+Hunter= Spider-Man.
raimdogg
raimdogg - 1/9/2009, 4:05 AM
mary jane - jodie sweetin

Carnage-hayden christensen


im so for hayden as black cat

venom i think Dominic Purcell i agree

ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/9/2009, 4:31 AM
Well loads of people have put the Gwen/Black Cat issue to rest so we can skip over that. Venom is excellent casting with one problem, Brock died! If he came back they'll have to do some pretty nifty writing and best not just say "the explosion hid him from view as he escaped". If they did that I would be banned from my local cinema due to my actions!

Even if they say "fine, Eddie's dead lets move on" we could still have Carnage, and bear with me on this. Doc Conners still has the symbiote sample from Parker so they can work with that. I know it's not true to the source and it's exactly the sort of thing we hate them for but they have written themselves into a corner and need to get out in a half decent way!

Dunst just lost her nipples for the role so I agree she could do with a re-cast but there is a chance she can erect those talents again!

phendry - A like minded fellow! The biggest issue I have with your choices is that Colin Farrell is just too much of a "well-kept pretty boy". So I tried to think of someone "less pretty and psycho" and instantly came up with Steve Buscemi! You may think he's a little old but just look how well Doc Oc was done simply by casting a believeable and talented actor. For me, Doc Oc went from being one of the worst comic villains to one of the best movie villains.
vinny112
vinny112 - 1/9/2009, 4:47 AM
From what I understand, MJ died and was cloned by whats her face and then became Black cat. And the two DID end up getting married or something like that. I am quite new to this stuff but I seem to remember reading it in either the comic or seeing it in the cartoon that was on about 10 years ago. Now I am not sure if the cartoon was actually on target with the comic but that's my two cents. Other than that, all else looks great. I think your cast is alright, Collin Farrel I am sceptical about just cause I personally think he sucks but everyone else is great. Although Christian Bail is the Batman, I think he would make another great psycho. Wasn't there a rumor going around that (don't laugh) Jim Carey was in talks about being carnage? He may be able to pull it off. I know this one is going to be way out in left field but what about Daxx Shepard as carnage? I think he could pull off being a psychopathic [frick] up just cause cassidy put kind of a comidic twist to his madness.
theFACE
theFACE - 1/9/2009, 4:51 AM
I belive i posted this on another article but il say it again. MJ should go in this movie, if it has to be recast then how about Amy Adams as MJ. She's a Red Head, she is sexy and i think that she could pull it off.

Shaman i think the rest of your picks are cool. Although people clearly aren't liking your picks for carnage or venom, i dont think it matters as i dont think either of them will be in the next movie.

And finally "raimdogg" and anyone else who thinks hayden chistensen should be Carnage, i think you may have confused Carnage's character with that of a fluffy kitten.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/9/2009, 6:21 AM
hayden chistensen as Carnage?! LMFAO! I can just imagine that, Carnage throwing his toys out the pram screaming to Spidey "you won't let me play! (boo hoo)"

Hillarious!
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 1/9/2009, 6:25 AM
Shaman I love 'em all! Great Picks! But what about having Hayden play Gwen Stacey? Of course it doesn't matter who Hayden plays I'll go see it because she is so damn gorgeous.
Shaman
Shaman - 1/9/2009, 8:06 AM
WOW, this is so different than every other article i've written. Every one has there own different picks which i had to research every single one. Most of you have very good ideas.

For Venom, i knew that you guys would mostly prefer Domenic Purcell but he's already Dracula. I really like it when people disagree with me but i really want to have reasons. I have reasons for chosing the picks i have because of what they have already proven in previous performances. Wentworth proved he has what it takes to play Venom. Just needs to buff up is all.

MJ, for an example, I picked Hannigan because she's obviously hot but can also play other roles than "willow". You all seem to forget she was freakin Amazing when she became a vampire on Buffy and if you all saw the sexy pictures she did with the looks she naturally gives off, the mental picture you guys have of Willow really doesn't do Alyson jusitice. However, Myth had a very great "looks wise" pick with Isla Fisher but i haven't seen her in action. And TheFace also had a great one which i can testify to with Amy Adams. I really do not see Meagan Fox as MJ, sorry. And as for her character i just tottally agree with Grif on this, i'd pay to see her get pushed down an elevator shaft! I'd even pay twice!

As for the whole Gwen/Black Cat debacle, there is a glitch in the system and i can't fix my article yet. As soon as the tech gets back to me i'll fix it. Until then i will have to endure everyone mentionning it. Just wanted to let you all know...again... that i'm aware of the mistake i made. I find that Gwen Stacey's character really doesn't have an important enough purpose in the movie continuity. So they could obviously do without her in the fourth one. I would like to see them introduce Felicia Hardy's character and have her as black cat. I chose Hayden for the role for the same reason i choose any other pick. She has proven that she has what it takes. If you guys watch the third season of Heroes, you'd know why. In the futur she's really a kick ass stone cold fox and is perfect for Black Cat. Again, if you guys disagree, don't just throw blondes at me, give me reasons to reconcider. This is why most studio execs don't listen to fans because they would all ask you the same thing "Why would this pick be a good one?" and most fan boys would answer the same damn thing "...just 'cause!!!" Well that's not good enough. The purpose behind my fansite is to make our voices heard to the studio execs but if all they get is simple retorts from fanboys, it kinda kills our chances. We are all mostly grown up adults and should have the ability to "fight" with our words and "voice" our opinions in a civilised manner by backing them with logically sound explanations.

As for Carnage, Collin Farrel isn't one of my favorite actors but he has proven in Daredevil that he has what it takes to play Kletus. However some of you have great choices! 007440 brought up jim Carrey and i do think he would do a great job of winning us back from his Riddler fiasco if we give him the chance as long as he doesn't "over act" like he's know to which is why i HATE Lillard, he doesn't have the acting range to stop over acting. He's a flat out bad actor! But one choice above them all has one me over. And that was Juskool2000's which was Stephen Dorff! He is probably my all time favorite "villain" actor. He MADE Blade successful by playing Deacan Frost. He has more than enough intensity as well as psychotic behavior to portray Carnage however... he is Deacan Frost already and since i wouldn't give Venom to Dominic... well i can't give Carnage to Dorff. As you can see, i base my picks on more than just looks. Because if i didn't think of talent as a requirement, i'd give it to Lyle Lovett LOL. Steve Buscemi seems to be pretty popular for the role as well, i really like that actor however, when he portrays bad guys, i don't know if it's his voice or his posture or what he gives off as a vibe but it doesn't seem to "natural" to me as a performance. You see, guys like Dorff and Farrel have the "criminal" aspect to them naturally to the point where they can't play "good guys" naturally, it's just not believable. What i want first and foremost is for a believable performance for the role of Carnage. They already screwed up Venom in the third role casting the worst possible actor for it, i don't want them to do it again. So Dorff and Farrel yes...and possibly Carrey because he's one of the odd ones who actually has the talent to naturally play a personnality which doesn't represent his own. but Myth had a pick on one of his articles about a casting call for Gambit and i sooo would've used it had i read it before making my article. How's Vincent Cassell for you guys as Kletus??? To me, he's a great actor, has Lillard's look but can actually deliver a great performance.

Thank you all who agreed with me, this is a hard topic to win the majority over but even though you agree with me, don't hesitate for a second to bring your own picks to the debate! And to answer your question joslezio85, i didn't recast Spider-man because i think Tobey does a good job actually. Also, another reason is Louise Smith. We all had a good laugh about her post she did on Tobey but even I have a heart and didn't want to be the one to pop her bubble.
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 1/9/2009, 8:37 AM
I don't necessarily disagree with your pick for Venom as much as I question why you want the same actor for Lex to play Eddie too. What's up with that?
Shaman
Shaman - 1/9/2009, 10:29 AM
Yes gtrman, it's called an editorial. If you don't like it then stop reading any article writen by myself because it's my specialty. An editorial isn't a simple "rant", it's an actuall article with informations and opinions and i like to leave it open for debate. You disagree with me? Then bring on your picks other wise, you know what to do.

Well LastSon, my pick for Wentworth as Lex came from someone else. I agreed to it however it didn't get the majority excited that much. Others provided good alternative with the character which would make Wentworth too young and as i was looking for someonoe to play Venom, it dawned on me that he would be great. I am able to leave my ego be and get back to the drawing board. And that's what i did with Wentworth. And that's also why in my Gotham Knights thread, i can clearly see Welling pulling off an amazing job as Nightwing instead of Superman even though i know he's your favorite Sups :)
1 2 3
View Recorder