Spider-Man Director Julie Taymor "In the Crucible"

Spider-Man Director Julie Taymor "In the Crucible"

Putting all the jokes and near-disasters aside, at its core Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark is a Broadway show that has a creator at the heart of it, director Julie Taymor, and a creative team who are doing their damndest to make things right.

By EdGross - Mar 03, 2011 03:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Speaking in front of 1,000 people attending the TED2011 conference in Long Beach, California, Taymor said of the show, "Anyone who creates knows — when it’s not quite there. Where it hasn’t quite become the phoenix or the burnt char. And I am right there.”

She drew comparisons to what's been going on with Spider-Man to a trip she took to Indonesia when a friend disappeared while they were scaling the side of twin volcanoes. "I am on the precipice looking down into a dead volcano on my left, on the right it is sheer shale,” she reflected. “I am in thongs and sarong and no hiking boots. I realize I can’t go back the way I have come. I can’t. So I throw away my camera. I throw away thongs and I look at the line straight in front of me. And I got down on all fours like a cat. And I held with my knees to either side of this line in front of me — 30 yards or 30 feet, I don’t know. The wind was massively blowing and the only way I could get to the either side was to look at the line straight in front of me. I know you have been there. I am in the crucible right now. It is my trial by fire. It’s my company’s trial by fire.”

Pointing to one of the show's songs, "Rise Above," she felt she could identify with the lyrics and said of the musical itself, "It’s right there in the palm of my hands. In all of my company’s hands. I have beautiful collaborators. We as collaborators only get there all together. I know you understand that. You stay there going forward and you see this extraordinary thing right in front of your eyes.”

“You must be true to what you believe as an artist all the way through,” she added, “but you almost have to be aware that the audience is out there in our lives at this time and they also need the light. And it’s this incredible balance that I think we walk when we are breaking ground, that’s trying to do something that you’ve never seen before, that the imaginary worlds, where you actually don’t know where you are going to end up. That’s the fine line at the edge of the crater as I have done my whole life.”

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Amazo
Amazo - 3/3/2011, 4:16 AM
What a load of cr*p! You made a turd love,deal with it! lmao
Cap82
Cap82 - 3/3/2011, 4:31 AM
On a side note, if ever there should be a batman musical I hope its exactly like the one shown for a brief minute on battman beyond
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/3/2011, 4:50 AM
Cap82 @ I'm sure there is a BAT one???

And was sick of this musical since the first article someone posted... yup hasn't changed! : p
Xandera
Xandera - 3/3/2011, 5:22 AM
Well... this still sucks...


GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 3/3/2011, 5:27 AM
Adler
Adler - 3/3/2011, 5:35 AM
There was a Batman Musical planned by Jim Steinman.

GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 3/3/2011, 5:52 AM
TURN OFF THE DARK IS A SANDCASTLE FALLING APART AND TAYMORE IS RUNING ALL AROUND IT TO KEEP IT TOGETHER
mdx06
mdx06 - 3/3/2011, 7:19 AM
Worst. Idea. Ever.
dahamma
dahamma - 3/3/2011, 7:35 AM
sigh im sorry Marvel ever approved of this. SPidey deserves more respect that this, he shouldn't be sold out like this
drfate
drfate - 3/3/2011, 7:37 AM
Sometimes you scale a volcano and make it to the other side with a cool story to tell....and sometimes you're volcano food.

Says spider-man-volcano of Taymor, "burp".
loganoneil
loganoneil - 3/3/2011, 8:17 AM
She makes this sound like it's an excerpt from her memoirs, as if she's somehow going pull something out of her @ss last-minute to save this steaming pile of [excrement]! "Oh, the tale of hardship and woe - look at me and how I survive and preserver!" The lady needs to just let go and plunge to her (career) death, because after this forest fire dies, I'll be surprised if she's able to find a job directing local grade-school plays!
drfate
drfate - 3/3/2011, 8:47 AM
Hmm, loganoneil, I can see it now (I am Dr. Fate after all)...

Cromwell Valley Elementary School: "Julie Taymor? Ummmmm, no....., we're gonna go with Mr. Stankowicz to direct!"
Yasn7
Yasn7 - 3/3/2011, 9:10 AM
Honestly I tried to like Taymor before this and watched the feature length films she made and in all seriousness they just seemed ridiculous and pretentious. I dont know what it is about certain people like Taymor who think they can put out some cheese ball crap, that if a normal person did they would ridiculed for it by the critics, and expect to get accolades. Example "Turn Off the Dark". Really? Is that supposed to be intelligent and insightful? Im sure they thought it was when they decided it as the title.
Across the Universe sucked too with all the campy acting and stale story line. O and Bono was in that too what a coincidence!
Spidey deserves better than this...
LobsterJohnston
LobsterJohnston - 3/3/2011, 9:11 AM
" you must be true to what you believe as an artist...as long as someone else is footing the bill for your art. I mean, if you have to pay for it yourself, you avoid absolutely raping a classic character and hemmoraging money. But as long as someone else is giving you millions...you can call it 'vision' and just keep on screwing it into the ground." - Tamor
lilej2
lilej2 - 3/3/2011, 9:29 AM
heres my question: why is this damn website acting like a [frick]ing fanboy itself. for Thor and GL the editors will post everything that comes out about it. but when it comes down to the little musical that "everyone" hates no one posts anything other than the bad reviews and injuries, just all around negativity from the show. no one's posted the video of them on Letterman or any interviews with Christopher Tierney who fell 30 feet and his thoughts.

in other words, when is this site gonna act like a REAL website and not some fanboy's blog?
loganoneil
loganoneil - 3/3/2011, 9:33 AM
lilej2 - This site is a conglomeration of FANsites, that's why! And in defense of Ed, he posted a NON-BIASED article from/about the director, that's why it's in 'NEWS' and not 'EDITORIALS'! The majority of the member-community of CBM (you know, the FANS) are the ones who don't think highly of the show and are expressing their OPINIONS in the COMMENTS (there is a DISTINCT difference!). Don't like it? Why don't YOU quit YOUR complaining, get your @ss up off the sidelines and do something about it! No one's stopping YOU from creating a fansite and posing all the stuff you mentioned! Prove us all wrong - SHOW us how GOOD this really is! Part of the attraction of CBM is the pooling of information and the sharing of ideas. You CAN have an intelligent debate on the topic, if you phrase your arguements in an adult manner. I for one would LOVE to hear the 'other' side of this and get a RATIONAL disccusion going. There are questions and concerns I've had since I first heard of the production (that, more than likely, have colored my perception of the musical) that I'd like addressed. Maybe you can answer them. At the very least, we can present both sides of the arguement and try to see each other's view. Put up or shut up... (LMAO!)
AEStark
AEStark - 3/3/2011, 9:58 AM
@loganoneil Well said! I for one feel bad for her. She had a great idea that, frankly, doesn't have the technological support.
LobsterJohnston
LobsterJohnston - 3/3/2011, 10:50 AM
Doesn't have the technical support? All she's had is support. She got money and money and money and developed the most complicated show of all time. Its the medium that's the issue, its can't work as a broadway show, the two things don't mesh well. Sure its a cool idea in theory, but so's a Porsche made of naked ladies. It's just not something that's viable to build.
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 3/3/2011, 11:50 AM
I feel sorry for Ms. Taymor. I do. She is an artist that crafted a piece of art for people to enjoy and everyone hates it. From her perspective she took a character everyone loves that doesnt take himself seriously and made a musical out of his story. Nothing wrong with that, right?

No, theres nothing wrong with it, I support artists putting any spin on any character as long as its not part of canon, but since she decided to use such a beloved character she had to expect this. I think its safe to say that many comic fans hate musicals. They see them as pretentious, stupid and boring. Furthermore she took a character and makes dramatic changes to thier look, story and supporting characters. Look how much people freaked out when they thought there wouldn't be wings on the side of Cap America's helmet! And the liberties she took with him... they just seem stupid to most.

Sure, Nolan remade Batman in his realistic vision, but you know what, Nolan's Batman was still Batman. Shumacher, however, gave Batnipples and neon colored suits and cars to Batman. That's not Batman, and the fans hated him for it. Similarly, Spiderman is a goof ball who cracks jokes, but he doesnt swing around New York singing like an opera singer, then drops down and has a pretentious sing off with Green Goblin as they jazz hands around each other. That's not spiderman. Its safe to say musicals will not work for most heroes... except maybe Deadpool. He's silly enough to sing opera while fighting. They can try all they want, I'll support them, but dont go crying to us when people dont like the changes they made.

And as for the volcano climbing in Indonesia story... yeah we get it. She traveled to places and seen and done things. That great and all but it doesnt help her case. Probably makes her seem more out of touch with the average viewer. That's just my guess.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 3/3/2011, 12:10 PM
LobsterJohnston - A 'Porsche made of naked ladies'?! I didn't see that on their website! "I'd buy that for a dollar!" ...LMAO

Shadowelfz - I for one enjoy musicals (and theater in general), when the productions are decent. Maybe it's because I'm older, or maybe it's because I was brought up to appreciate the theater - who knows? I have to agree with your assessment - Ms. Taymor seems totally disconnected (or maybe the right word would be 'oblivious') to the fan-base (the reason WHY Spiderman is so popular in the first place). I don't think she understands what sacrilege it is taking liberties with his origin story, all in the name of 'art'. Sure, you can 'modernize' certian elements of it (as in the case of the movies - genetic manipulation vs radiation), but to RE-WRITE it completely just seems... BLASPHEMOUS. I don't think she understands or realizes how personally some of us are taking it.
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 3/3/2011, 4:47 PM
Logan- Haha yeah I was forced to see musicals when I was a kid by my socialite family so I'm sort of biased against them. I like plays just cant stand musicals ;)

I know people like her have a hard time understanding why fans take some of these things so seriously... but its all relative. Most of us grew up with these characters, had them ingrained in our psyches and influenced us a great deal so we take them more seriously than some would think. If people are confused, just take something they cherish and change it. If they are a sports fan its like taking their favorite football team, say the Packers, switching them to Baseball and renaming them the Pitchers. Are they still the packers at the point? No. Are Packer fans gonna be pissed? You bet. Sports fans take that stuff as seriously as comic book fans do. Hell, what if Ms. Taymor had her favorite musical, say Jesus Christ Superstar, changed where Jesus was replaced with Buddha and set it in the Star Wars universe. Why not, its just art? Even if she respected the artists take on it, she still wouldn't be happy.
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