EDITORIAL: 10 Things I Want To See In Batman 3 And The Man Of Steel!

EDITORIAL: 10 Things I Want To See In Batman 3 And The Man Of Steel!

I couldn't come up with ten things for them both so here is a combined list of what I want to see in both Batman 3 and the upcoming Superman reboot...

Editorial Opinion
By JoshWilding - Oct 06, 2010 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: Josh Wilding

I originally planned on writing a top ten list for each of these movies but found that there were actually a few specific things I wanted to see which were a lot more important than some of the stuff I included in my past "Top 10" lists so I decided to combine them all into one. I did this because I figured that it's better to focus on what I think are the really important things to me and as someone whose still fairly new to the DC Universe, it was probably best I didnt end up talking about stuff I don't really know that much about! Below though, are things I do have a strong opinion on so thanks for reading in advance and please share your thoughts in the usual place!




10. Catwoman



If there's one thing that the past two Batman movies have needed, it's a strong female character. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be too upset if Selina Kyle didn't make an appearance (and hell, with all the other things I've suggested below, this movie would be more than a little bit crowded!) I do however think that it would be genuinely interesting to see Nolan's version of this character, and the unique situations that her introduction would put Bruce in. Whether he decides to make her a hero or villain, it would be great to see yet another character in Gotham City, especially if she ends up becoming a crime fighter by the end of the movie. On a separate note, Talia Al Ghul could also be a great female character to use in a similar capacity because if Batman 3 really will be the end of Nolan's trilogy, what better way than to come full circle by introducing the main villain of the first movies daughter?

9. No Origins?



This is a fairly obvious one I think. After all, even people who don't read comic books know his origin story and we don't need 40 minutes of the movie swallowed up by yet another retelling. Just pick things up with Clark Kent, perhaps already in a relationship with Lois, working at The Daily Planet and obviously have him as Superman. (no red/blue blur for me thanks!) However, as I write this, I have to admit that it would be genuinely exciting to see what Zack Snyder’s take on the origin story would be and if they could keep it fairly brief I wouldn't be all that much against it. Either way, whether it's a credit sequence or a short retelling at the start of the movie, just keep it brief. If there was one thing I didn't like about Batman Begins, it was that it took far too long until we finally saw Batman. I’d rather the same thing not happen again here.

8. Robin



When you look at Nolan's past couple of Batman movies, it's fair to assume that Robin would be a little out of place. However, I believe that there's a way he could be realistically and effectively introduced. After the events of The Dark Knight, I think it would be an ideal time to introduce Dick Grayson as the death of his parents parallels Bruce's loss - and after having lost Rachel as well as being blamed for the death of Harvey Dent, I think it would be believable to see Batman make the somewhat odd choice of taking on a sidekick. Plus, if his origins were altered a little in order to make "Robin" his stage name, the cheesy aspects of the character could be avoided (with the costume a modified version of that one as well) and if they made Dick early twenties, how awesome would it be for the movie to end with him taking on his Nightwing persona and heading off to Bludhaven?

7. A New Type Of Villain



So far, we've not yet seen Batman completely overpowered in a physical fight. Although I'm keen on seeing The Riddler as the main villain in Batman 3, how great would it be to see him take on a villain like Bane or Killer Croc? Yes, they're both a little unrealistic in terms of the tone that Nolan has established in his past two movies, but if we can accept a character like the Scarecrow and his fear gas, why not these strong (and I guess you could say "deformed") villains? If there's one things I've always loved in the comic books, it's seeing a superhero bloodied and in a torn, damaged costume - see the final fight between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin in Raimi's first movie for the perfect example of how cool this can look on the big screen. This would not only leave the Caped Crusader in an entirely new situation, but imagine the amazing fight scenes it would result in - something that Nolan has nailed many times in the past and most recently in the brilliant Inception!

6. A Better Costume



The costume from Superman Returns wasn't that bad. However, both the colours and material were very drab and ordinary in my opinion and the "S" was just too small and unimpressive looking. I'm not talking about putting him in a bright, cheesy outfit that just looks plain daft but something a little closer to the picture above would be ideal. I know that Christopher Nolan is a producer and we have a director who has made gritty movies like Watchmen but Metropolis isn't Gotham City. I for one don't want a dark Superman. It makes sense for Nolan's Batman to have a more realistic costume but Clark Kent is a near indestructible alien who uses a pair of glasses to hide his identity. Let's see him in a decent costume, huh?

5. A Villain Superman Can Fight



I think I've made my dislike of Bryan Singer and his superhero movies very clear in the past so won't go over it again here. Needless to say, what the hell were they thinking when they let him make that watered down version of Lex Luthor and his property scam the main villain in Superman Returns!? I want to see the Man if Steel punch something. No, I'm not talking about a brainless two hour fight sequence that someone like Michael Bay put together, but having him take on a villain that challenges him physically would make a nice change! Plus, the quality of CGI these days means that it would be a truly epic sight to behold on the big screen! Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday or any other of his villains...take your pick. Thankfully, I’m sure that Zack Snyder will nail this sort of stuff because I just want to see Superman take on something more exciting than a Kryptonite island. And how exactly was it that he couldn't stand on it but could fly it into space? Damn you Singer...

4. Brandon Routh/Tom Welling As Superman



As my recent pole discovered, despite the fact Tom Welling managed to win, CBM is still split down the middle to when it comes to which of these actors is most deserving of portraying Superman in his next big screen adventure. And personally, I think that they both deserve the chance to audition for the role when casting for the reboot begins. Brandon Routh was let down by both a poor director and script in Superman Returns, but he did a great job with what he had to work with, while recent appearances in Chuck and Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World show what a quality actor he is. Tom Welling on the other hand, has progressed well as an actor during his time on Smallville and surely deserves a chance to play the character on the big screen in a movie that would not have to have any relation to the TV show at all. There are numerous reasons besides these why they're both good and terrible choices for the role but we've discussed them so many times before, I'm not going to repeat them here. All in saying is that they both deserve a chance.

3. Links Between The Two



With Christopher Nolan obviously heavily involved with both movies, it's the perfect time to start laying the groundwork for a crossover between Batman and Superman. Perhaps the events in Gotham and Metropolis could be somehow related...for example, Lex Luthor could be somehow linked to whatever those events might end up being leading to some sort of "Public Enemies" adaptation. Just imagine Batman 3 ending with Superman asking for Bruce's help or vice versa! If we're not going to see a JLA movie any time soon, then a team-up between these two iconic characters (set in the Nolanverse!?) is the least that Warner Bros can do! Regardless, I think that it would make for a truly amazing sight to have them both side-by-side on the big screen and as I've said, these two movies are the perfect place to start building up to that.

2. Detective Work



If there's one thing that the past two Batman movies have neglected, it's the fact that he's the "World's Greatest Detective". We've seen brief glimpses of this but I think that Nolan needs to take it up a notch in the next one. This is what actually makes The Riddler such an ideal villain as it would really pit Batman against someone he'd need to use his wits to beat, and if there's anyone who can come up with some great riddles and twists, it's a writer like Christopher Nolan who proved exactly that in the likes of The Prestige and Inception! Although this point somewhat contradicts what I've said above about having Batman face a much stronger villain, I don't see why this movie couldn't cope with both that and the Riddler! The detective side of him is one of the most important aspects of the character and in my opinion, it's about time they stopped neglecting that!

1. A Larger DC Universe



With Green Lantern out next year, Batman 3 and Superman in 2012 and rumours pointing to Green Lantern 2 and The Flash in 2013, it's about time DC started following the example of Marvel Studios and prepare for a JLA movie already! It's all well and good giving us "unique experiences" but I can't help but feel a little deflated at the thought of all these films leading nowhere when the answer is so blatantly obvious. If they got to work on a Wonder Woman movie as well (for release in 2013) we could easily have a JLA movie by 2014/2015. Sure we might be missing the odd member but if The Avengers can seemingly go without Ant-Man and Wasp, I can deal with no Martian Manhunter. Marvel have managed to link their movies with the odd reference and character, DC could do the same. My guess is that they're just waiting to see how The Avengers works out before committing to anything but the longer they wait, the longer WE have to wait. And if they're not signing actors up for more than one or two movies at a time, God knows how many more years we'll have to wait. Time to get a move on Warner Bros/DC.

'Nuff said. :)









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JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 10/6/2010, 11:52 AM
:)
Creature
Creature - 10/6/2010, 11:55 AM
I'd love to see a classic Superman costume again. Not like Reeves or Routh, but faithful to the comics as much as possible. Bright red, Big S, huge cape and so on.
Great work as always @JoshW
jazzman
jazzman - 10/6/2010, 11:58 AM
@JoshW

nice article

Man of Steel we need to see Daily Planet staff like

- Cat Grant
- Ron Troupe
- Steve Lombard

Brandon Routh/Tom Welling As Superman aint happening Brandon Routh got screw over with Superman Returns so this reboot will have another actor. Tom Welling well did star in Smallville but thats it.
Ibz
Ibz - 10/6/2010, 11:58 AM
if they dont do a origin story then it would make sense either routh or welling since they have had experiance of playing supes/pre-supes
Ibz
Ibz - 10/6/2010, 11:59 AM
but someone fresh would be nice
Eviltwin
Eviltwin - 10/6/2010, 11:59 AM
Great editorial again Josh.

It would have to be Talia for me in Batman 3. Catwoman has been done so many times. Time for somebody new to shine.

No Robin though, although Nightwing would be ok.

And, MORE DETECTIVE work!!!!!!!!!!!! 100% yes.
Eviltwin
Eviltwin - 10/6/2010, 12:01 PM
I think Welling and Routh should be given tests for the movie, but I doubt they will get the part.

I like both of their respective versions of Superman. Other than maybe John Hamm, I can't think of anybody who I'd really want to see in the cape.
MassExecutions
MassExecutions - 10/6/2010, 12:03 PM
10. Neutral. Might prefer Talia
9. Big yes. Time to cut to the chase.
8. Only introduce Robin if something is going to take Batman out of commission for awhile. Then it will really serve the plot.
7. Yes. High preference over Riddler. Besides, Bane is smart and cunning to.
6. Neutral.
5. Absolutely. I will only watch the film if I think there will be a great super-powered fight.
4. Neutral.
3. Why not? Keeping things separate is just throwing money and ideas away.
2. I thought DTK had a good level of detective work. If its the Riddler I want to see more. Hide the Riddler's identity and make it a real who-done-it. If it's Bane or someone, same amount as TDK.
1. See three.

Excellent write-up.
The14thAvenger
The14thAvenger - 10/6/2010, 12:03 PM
dude great post!! i believe you've really nailed whats needed!!
i strongly urge to please somehow get this list to nolan himself by any means necessary. he needs to read this!!!
well done
Ibz
Ibz - 10/6/2010, 12:05 PM
what about chris pine if the guy bulked up a bit more i think he would be perfect(yes i am aware a lot of people want him as flash,so dont kill me )
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 10/6/2010, 12:05 PM
Good stuff Josh! I can do without Routh or Welling being anywhere near this but all the other things are great suggestions. ;P
P862010
P862010 - 10/6/2010, 12:08 PM
Armie Hammer for Superman

dude is 6'5 and a great actor may get a nomination from The Social Network
Set2Fallfirst
Set2Fallfirst - 10/6/2010, 12:08 PM
@Josh agreed buddy agreed :] Awesome stuff man. And remember you're not the only one who dislike singers movies. O and I got a call back for THE RUNAWAYS I have the email and everything But I dont want to send it till I see if I am going to audition for the 3rd round :] I will give you more details later I just got back from shooting a Verizon Wireless Commercial.
Ibz
Ibz - 10/6/2010, 12:09 PM
and i think if chris hemsworth didnt get the role of thor he would have been good as the man of steel the guy is huge!
DCMarvelFreshman
DCMarvelFreshman - 10/6/2010, 12:17 PM
Great writeup Josh! I agree utmost on a villain that they can actually fight. A better costume as well, but I think a costume up to MY expectation will never be.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 10/6/2010, 12:19 PM
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback! :)

jazzman: I never actually thought about that but it would indeed be awesome to see an even larger Daily Planet supporting cast other than Clark/Lois/Jimmy/Perry. And you're more than likely right about Welling and Routh but I honestly have NO idea who else would be a good choice to play Superman in this movie!

Eviltwin: Jon Hamm is an amazing actor but I just think he's too old for Superman...I've got no better ideas though! And yeah, Talia would actually be the more interesting option.

MassExecutions: Great points man! Can't really disagree with you at all actually.

The14thAvenger: Ha, that would be nice! The likes of X-Men: First Class shows that Fox pay no attention to us fans, but it's nice to think that Nolan or someone at Warner Bros. is reading this and thinking about stealing a few of my ideas! (not betting that going to happen though, lol!

hush: You make a great point about the types of villains Nolan might use, and it's that very reason I don't think we'll ever see Batman/Superman together on the big screen (even though I've mentioned it above) while he's still in charge. Can you really see Superman appearing in Gotham City to talk to Batman without it looking 100% out of place? We can only hope I guess... Other than that, great points! Although I do have to disagree with you about not including these two in a JLA movie - that's like having no Iron Man or Thor in The Avengers IMO!

Set2Fall: That's awesome mate - don't do anything that will screw up your chances of getting a role in the movie though...just keep us up to date with how you do and promise that you'll give me your first interview when you get cast, lol!

DCMF: Exactly! If there's one thing that Nolan's past Batman movies have been lacking, it's some really intense and brutal fight scenes. He's given us some amazing scenes and stunts but I'd like to see it all on an even bigger scale next time. As for Superman, some sort of big fight scene is a must. It's something we've never seen done with the technology and it's about time we do! What kind of costumes would you want to see?
CaptainQuirk
CaptainQuirk - 10/6/2010, 12:24 PM
Catwoman would work great if she was approached like Lisbeth from 'The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo'....

A girl with a grungy appearance, a bad attitude, some serious psychological damage and a master thief.
DCMarvelFreshman
DCMarvelFreshman - 10/6/2010, 12:25 PM
@JoshW Agreed. I have pics saved of a costume design. Gonna see if i can find them
Set2Fallfirst
Set2Fallfirst - 10/6/2010, 12:29 PM
@josh yea thats why I have been so hush about it and Deal :]
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 10/6/2010, 12:31 PM
Josh and DCMF: You can both give that up right now. Ask any Batman fan alive and they'll tell you very quick that there is no one that can give Batman a brutal, intense fight. ;P

Set2Fallfirst: Go get it man! Best of luck to you and keep us all informed.
Ebilee
Ebilee - 10/6/2010, 12:31 PM
I agree we need a villain he can fight. But I think we need a super villain in cgi (not Zod) so we can have a superfight at the end. Doomsday?
SGA
SGA - 10/6/2010, 12:32 PM
I know the new superman will be a reboot, but SR, in one of the Daily Planet scenes, an anchorwoman made a reference to Gotham City. Batman Begins was in '05 and SR was on '06, so they may have hinted at them being in the same universe. Maybe.
redcorn44
redcorn44 - 10/6/2010, 12:34 PM
why do we argue about whether it should be welling or routh, when neither are gonna come close to getting this role....and you are not gonna see a Supes/Bats crossover while Nolan is involved
CaptainQuirk
CaptainQuirk - 10/6/2010, 12:37 PM
@redcorn44

Two solid points. I agree with both.
DCMarvelFreshman
DCMarvelFreshman - 10/6/2010, 12:40 PM
Okay, maybe nothing too big. I guess I just want to see the same costume design, just with a different material. More sturdy, and less spandex.
CaptainPresley
CaptainPresley - 10/6/2010, 12:44 PM
Great article. I agree on most of your points. Please make Batman the world's greatest detective! I think Routh & Welling should be given a screen test at least. Most of all, start laying ground work for at least a cross over of the two characters. One of the greatest team-up of characters in all of literature and they have never been put on live action film. What a missed opportunity it would be. Bring on a "World's Finest" movie after the Superman re-boot of off the ground. Then worry about a JLA film later.
blueorangeny
blueorangeny - 10/6/2010, 12:53 PM
@ JoshW and everyone else.

I agree with all your points JohsW. But I'll point out again, F this NolanVerse or more realistic thought of Bats. There isn't none. The only 2 reasons why there's even conversations is because Nolan said it's his own "point of view" / version and we comparing it to the films from the late 80's and early 90's. Nolan's Batman can withstand a world in JLA and Supes. Shit in TDK Bats fell 50 stories with no gadgets, ropes, and parachuet, holding on to Rachel.....landing on a car AND BOTH SURVIVED WITHOUT A SCRATCH. If this is so-called realistic then what's not? There were other moments in both films that if you call realistic then I want to know what's not.

Shit at the end, it's all bs. Supes and JLA can fit in with Bats. And I'm tired of going back to the topic so let's put it to rest lol.

@ Joshw - all your points can come to fruition with Bats 3, MOS and up coming DC flicks.
skidz
skidz - 10/6/2010, 12:56 PM
1.Both Nolan and Bale said there aren't any plans to put Robin in this version of Batman even though Bale said he loves Dark Victory (would be great jumping off point of Robin's appearance).
2.Catwoman needs an appearance just to wash the taste of that STUPID ,$#@!ING HALLE BERRY VERSION out of my brain. Nolan could make her more faithful to the comics (which Tim Burton didn't, either).
3.Superman movies needs to stick with a less brooding Man of Steel.
4.The only cool thing about the costume change in Returns was the three dimensional aspect to the symbol, otherwise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it(the tiny symbol on his belt was cool, though).
5.The CAST of Superman Returns should get another shot (probably won't happen, but one can dream), they weren't bad in spite of a $%^! story.
6.Origin stories don't get old if you've got a unique take on them (Robins origin in Dark Victory, for example). Batman Begins, was a great nod to the Batman: Year One and Son of the Demon books. Taking inspiration from Mark Waid's story for a unique, modernized view of Superman's background could make for a great one.
7.Both Superman and Batman rogue's galleries have gone largely untapped, using mostly known villains. There's plenty of room for a stronger Superman villain (my disturbed imagination still dreams of somebody using a sniper rifle with kryptonite laced bullets or C4 laced with shards of it) and a smarter Batman villain. Hopefully, the Riddler can fill in the second one.
CaptainQuirk
CaptainQuirk - 10/6/2010, 12:57 PM
I'm down with Armie Hammer for Superman.

He is brilliant in 'The Social Network' and really shows what a versatile actor he is. That's a key factor for capturing both sides of Superman's personality. He also has the Superhero look. He's perfect for the role.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 10/6/2010, 12:57 PM
Thanks for your comments guys - keep 'em coming! :D

CaptainQuirk: I've not seen that movie (although I'm planning to) but that sounds like a really interesting direction to take a character like Catwoman in! And with a director like Chris Nolan, I'm sure he'd have a really unique and interesting take on her just like he did with the Joker and Two-Face!

DCMF: Cool man, look forward to hopefully seeing them later!

Set2Fall: Best of luck bud! How are you enjoying the latest season of Dexter?

Gusto: Good God, I've let you all down. How could I not mention Catwoman's epic cleavage!?! Allow me to make it up to you...

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HAWKS: Lol! As you know, I've not read that many Batman comics but the ones I have (classic stories and starting from Grant Morrison's run) I actually cant really remember any epic sort of fight scenes especially when you compare him to other heroes! Him and Jason Todd as the Red Hood were pretty good though...

Intruder: You're completely right. Even if they only make 3 Green Lantern/Flash/Superman films before rebooting in order to make a JLA movie (as they've said they're keen on keeping them all in their own universes) it'll end up being probably something like another decade!

Superguy1591: You know, you make a really interesting point about the origin story and I suppose it could be pretty important to introduce members of the audience to him once again. It would be a nice way of firmly leaving the Donner/Singer movies in the past as well! Other than that, I can't disagree with what you're saying apart from the Justice League being better than The Avengers. As a Marvel guy, I just cannot have that said! :D

blueorangeny: Yeah, there are plenty of things in Nolan's movies that were far fetched so I see no reason why Batman should continue to be isolated in the "Nolanverse". With Green Lantern out next year and these two following in 2012, Warner Bros are almost as far along with their major heroes as Marvel Studios are so if they [frick] up and miss the oppurtunity to let them all meet in some sort of team up movie (JLA or Batman/Superman) they're almost as bad as Fox in terms of idiocy, lol!

Wesley Colvin: Great points dude - cant really fault a single one of them! And I actually wrote 90% of this before the Snyder/Birthright info was released and although I've not read the latter (I ordered it earlier though) I think that's a great way to handle his origins!
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/6/2010, 12:57 PM
@ joshw

good work,mate.

10.catwoman or harley quinn

9.i've said this a few times,you can cover the origin in the opening credits.

8.robin can't stand this charactor at all,if you have to feature robin make it about half an hour of screen time then he has some kind of falling out with batman,leaves batman ends up with deathstroke,deathstroke then trains him in combat & he becomes nightwing.

7.yes,most definetly.hush,killer croc or bane.

6.the classic iconic costume only.

5.yes,we need someone he can punch i'm fed up of seeing lex luthor.

4.brandon routh should be given another chance.

3.thats a great idea,i've longed for a trinity type movie.

2.detective work is a must,just like in the arkham asylum game would be perfect.

1.this is the future for comic movies,especially from the two big guns,marvel have started it now its time dc to do the same.

well done,joshw.
f4rrel
f4rrel - 10/6/2010, 1:02 PM
Josh, 8 and 4 = Big Fails!

10)Catwoman? Do we really need her? I think Not.

9)Thanks god this Reboot of Superman won't be exactly an origin story.

8)Nolan and Bale have an agreement: not to include Robin in this series.

7) Different type of Villian: Well, I don't want to see a villian that does not goes with the arch of the story already stablished. Note that I don't want to see the mob again in this last instalment.

6)Please!

5) 100% with you.

4) No Tom/Brandon. That would just confuce audience: SmallVille (the Movie) / Superman Returns 2! C'mon!

3)Interesting. But I don't think that will happen.

2)Perfectly fits with the Riddle as the main villian. I'll give you this.

1)I think this will happen with Green Lantern.
Souperboy45
Souperboy45 - 10/6/2010, 1:03 PM
Man Josh, pretty much all of these are perfect, it was hard to choose for one of them in the poll. Hopefully they will do atleast......5/10? That would would be great, especially to expand the universe.

Well done!
f4rrel
f4rrel - 10/6/2010, 1:04 PM
Guys... Don't let DC Execs read your comments about they following Marvel steps. Somebody can get really angry and even shut this website down...
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 10/6/2010, 1:04 PM
no needn't for catwoman in batman 3 she is already been introduce in burton version

i want to introduce other character like deadshot and talia al ghul

talia try to revenge for her father she uses deadshot and so one....

and also no robin he also been introduce

i hope they do a jla with batman and superman in it

good job joshw
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