THE CLONE WARS Showrunner Dave Filoni Explains George Lucas' Involvement In The Final Season

Recently, The Clone Wars showrunner Dave Filoni made comments about George Lucas being involved with the final season, but he's now clarified exactly how much the Star Wars creator has contributed..

By JoshWilding - May 02, 2020 05:05 AM EST

Filed Under: The Clone Wars

We never thought we'd get to see the final season of The Clone Wars after George Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, but demand brought more episodes of Netflix before one last batch was confirmed for Disney+. This Monday, the final ever instalment will air, but has the Star Wars creator contributed to it?

Recently, there were reports that might be the case, but showrunner Dave Filoni has now explained how those comments were taken out of context and dialled back Lucas' involvement in the series.

"That's largely been taken out of context in people's enthusiasm," he explained. "George and I still talk, and I'll ask him some things. But he's just really enjoying watching them. What's in play are things we had discussed years ago. The Bad Batch were series of stories we had written in story meetings with him, and the Trace and Rafa arc were adapted off of outlines from them."

"These last four episodes were probably the least developed of what we had done," Filoni continued. "There are elements that were always the same. He hadn't really seen anything until you're releasing it here. I respect him so much, and having worked with him, I just always want make sure I'm getting it right. So I check in with him time to time."

"If I've had success, it's really because he was teaching us and took the time to teach us. He was teaching what he thought made this work and what didn't. One little mistake can ruin a lot of things. So hopefully I got it more right than not."

Filoni's work in a Galaxy Far, Far Away has been widely praised by fans and critics, and many would like to see him take charge of Lucasfilm to steer the Star Wars franchise into the future. As of right now, Kathleen Kennedy remains Lucasfilm President, but there's an expectation that could change after The Rise of Skywalker underperformed both critically and commercially.

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Never Reuiniting The Franchise's "Trinity"

It's become clear that Lucasfilm never really had a game plan for the sequel trilogy and while George Lucas would frequently make things up as he went along, not having an ending in place and relying on three different filmmakers to attempt to craft one cohesive story was never going to work.

However, the fact that J.J. Abrams not only failed to bring Luke, Leia, and Han back together again for one more scene but killed the latter off so early on is downright unforgivable.

It was completely the right decision to move the spotlight to a new trio of heroes rather than, well, an elderly group of adventurers, but it's hard not to feel robbed that we were never given the opportunity to explore their lives together. To make matters worse, the impact of Han's death on Luke was barely even touched on in The Last Jedi, and this is one mistake that can now never be undone.

The Fall Of Luke Skywalker

Talking of Luke, it's not hard to see why Mark Hamill was so disappointed and disillusioned by how the character's story arc was handled across this trilogy.

With seconds of screentime in The Force Awakens and then the reveal in The Last Jedi that he had gone into hiding after Ben Solo was turned to the Dark Side (rather than, you know, trying to stop Supreme Leader Snoke and the First Order), Luke was depicted as a failure and a far cry from the hero fans had imagined the Jedi Knight becoming in the years following Return of the Jedi.

There is a lot about this that admittedly worked, but a brief Force Ghost appearance in The Rise of Skywalker wasn't enough to undo the damage that had been dealt to him in the years prior.

Telling Stories That Didn't Need To Be Told

Rogue One was a fun ride and Solo is much better than a lot of people give it credit for. But did we really need to learn about the Rebels who stole the Death Star plans or find out that an Imperial officer named the iconic space-smuggler Han "Solo"?

Given the massive creative issues these spinoffs faced behind the scenes (Rogue One went through major third act reshoots, while Solo had a change of directors during production), it's clear that Lucasfilm struggled to tell these stories and this likely comes as a result of Disney wanting yearly Star Wars movies in theaters.

Unfortunately, the reaction to Solo led to a lot of great sounding spinoffs being scrapped, and the studio seemingly deciding not to further explore this period outside of Disney+. That's not the right move; instead, they just needed to make better decisions when it came to which stories actually needed to be told.

Too Much Fan-Service

Nowhere was this particular complaint more relevant than with The Rise of Skywalker. Rian Johnson made a lot of ballsy and divisive decisions in The Last Jedi, some of which worked, while others did not. However, to essentially undo those in a bid to make fans happy with the Skywalker Saga finale backfired on Lucasfilm in a big way.

Everything from Emperor Palpatine's return to Rose Tico receiving pretty much no screentime felt forced and a way of making the angry, middle-aged fans who spend thousands of dollars a year on merchandise happy.

The focus should have instead been on taking what Johnson did and building on it in order to create a satisfying and cohesive ending that didn't feel like a completely different movie tacked onto the two that preceded it. Lucasfilm tried to make everyone happy and instead delivered a film which didn't really work for anyone (hence why it's the worst-reviewed Star Wars movie to date).

A Long List Of Unanswered Questions

Look, we're not asking for everything to be spelled out to us, but why would The Force Awakens introduce so many huge mysteries only to never actually explain them in any way? It's true that the original trilogy didn't reveal the Emperor's backstory, but there wasn't really much need for that and the expectations of moviegoers have changed a lot since he first appeared.

Supreme Leader Snoke has been dismissed as a creation of Palpatine's but we've had no explanation about how that actually worked. The same goes for the iconic villain's return from the dead, not to mention the origins of the Knights of Ren, a group teased in The Force Awakens, forgotten about in The Last Jedi, and then given seconds of meaningless screentime in The Rise of Skywalker.

In fact, many of these unanswered questions have been addressed in comic books and tie-in novels rather than the movies themselves, a pretty lousy form of storytelling when you think about it.

Too Many Jedi Knights

If Rogue One and Solo proved anything, it's that Star Wars can work without the endless battle between the Jedi and Sith. However, fans still want to see that lightsaber action, hence why we've now learned that Order 66 didn't really wipe out the Jedi Order. In fact, there were plenty of them left scattered across the Galaxy based on what we've seen in the comics, video games, and TV shows.

Not only does this make Luke and Obi-Wan Kenobi significantly less special than we thought, but it dilutes the Force and the importance of the Skywalker family on the battle between the Light and Dark sides of the Force.

We have been introduced to a lot of great characters, and the idea that Darth Vader hunted down the remaining Jedi is one that works, but even the concept of the Sith Inquisitors and Knights of Ren lessens the impact of the Sith and what we thought was the supposedly important "Rule of Two."

Forgetting The Expanded Universe

Look, it's not hard to understand why Lucasfilm decided to do away with the Expanded Universe as the new movies being beholden to decades of novels, video games, and comics would have made no more sense than Marvel Studios attempting to set a future Marvel movie in the same world as the comic books and hoping that non-hardcore fans would be able to follow what's happening!

While a clean slate was the right move for the new movies, to leave so much of what made Star Wars great from the EU off the table feels like a major mistake on Lucasfilm's part.

Everything from Darth Revan to Mara Jade and Starkiller being forgotten about feels like a missed opportunity, and when Lucasfilm has attempted to deliver new takes on these concepts and characters, it hasn't really worked! Again, a little more planning would have helped with this issue as there really are parts of the EU which deserved to live on.

A Lack Of Pay-Offs

We've mentioned things like Supreme Leader Snoke and the Knights of Ren, but a lack of pay-offs really has been plaguing this era of Star Wars stories from the very start.

Darth Maul's return in Solo has seemingly been forgotten about; Finn spent the entirety of The Rise of Skywalker debating whether to tell Rey that he suddenly has Force powers without us ever getting to see that conversation; the return of Darth Vader's helmet meant nothing as it was just the Emperor pretending to be him when Kylo Ren communicated with his "grandfather."

These are just a few examples, but far too many storylines have been set up without any sort of proper resolution and that's made it hard to get invested in this era of storytelling.

Change For The Sake Of Change

Merchandise has always been a huge part of the Star Wars franchise, but never has that been more apparent than during the period Lucasfilm has been owned by Disney.

C-3PO was given a red arm in The Force Awakens because that would mean people would actually want to buy new toys featuring the iconic droid (the change, meanwhile, was only addressed in a random comic book). Because Kylo Ren's helmet is a top seller, it was reforged in The Rise of Skywalker even though it's destruction was a key character moment for the villain in The Last Jedi.

Oh, and do try not to forget those red Sith Troopers in the latest instalment of the trilogy! Disney likes to sell toys, and that means we've seen a lot of pointless changes like these.

The End Of The Skywalkers

The story of the Skywalker family spanned nine films but, ultimately, it seems that none of them really managed to bring balance to the Force. Darth Vader killed his Master but a bunch of unnamed Sith loyalists ended up bringing him back from the dead. Luke gave up and hid on an island and Leia just died after reaching out to her son (a sad necessity due to Carrie Fisher's real-life demise).

The Skywalkers went out with a whimper rather than a bang, and while it was great to see Ben Solo find redemption, having Rey Palpatine declare herself "Rey Skywalker" was all sorts of cringe.

It's hard to escape the feeling that, really, the Skywalkers are now just a footnote in the history books of this Galaxy and not as important as we were once led to believe. After everything Anakin went through, he didn't even make a cameo appearance here, and if we do see another Skywalker on screen in the future...well, they'll probably be a descendent of Emperor Palpatine...

Do you guys agree that Lucasfilm has made some major mistakes since 2012 or are we being too harsh? Let us know your thoughts on that in the comments section below.

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Nebula - 5/2/2020, 5:55 AM

Why Filoni should lead Lucasfilm; Exhibit A.

RevanIsMyMan - 5/2/2020, 5:57 AM

@Nebula - I am in agreement with this. He understands the franchise, and isn't afraid to take necessary risks. And this is coming from a guy that enjoyed Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker.

bkmeijer2 - 5/2/2020, 5:56 AM

I'm glad Filoni takes this so serious, unlike other people at Lucasfilm. They really should just make Filoni head of the Story Group

Nightwing1015 - 5/2/2020, 6:50 AM

@MalseMarcel - The story group is a bit of a joke. Not sure if any of the members aside from Pablo have actually written any Star Wars story whatsoever.

L0RDbuckethead - 5/2/2020, 6:12 AM

Doomsday8888 - 5/2/2020, 6:40 AM

The last episode was SO DAMN GOOD.

"Execute Order 66"

We all knew this shit was coming and yet...i still felt it.

Can't wait for the final episode!

Vigor - 5/2/2020, 6:42 AM

Filoni is a man after my own heart. It killed me to see the hate Lucas received after the prequel films. He's the grand daddy of these stories and people turned on him. Who cares who shot first

I love that filoni respects the progenitor of this series and its through him and Lucas that these shows have remained faithful to star wars

SerKurtWagner - 5/2/2020, 7:56 AM

@Vigor - It's good to still respect George and his ideas, but the problems with the Prequels are 100% his fault. He's a great "Ideas Man" but the actual hands-on writing and directing is not his strong suit. He does good work when he collaborated with others who complement his weaknesses. He tried to do the Prequels all his own way and it failed.

Also, "Who Shot First?" is actually hugely relevant and the controversy only exists because of an impulse to scrub Han of morally grey actions and make him more kid-friendly.

Dredd97 - 5/2/2020, 9:10 AM

@SerKurtWagner - This is how I feel about George. The guy had great ideas, but he was never the best director. The first Star Wars was literally saved by the editors and John Williams. He forgot what made these movies classics and felt they were never perfect so he kept making unnecessary changes to them. Not even updating stuff, just throwing in crap for no reason. And the Prequels are such disasters. He was surrounded by yes men and that hurt it.

"Who Shot First?" Still matters, I agree. It weakens Han as a character and his arc is less compelling. Also, "Maclunkey"

KnifeWasTooSlow - 5/2/2020, 9:38 AM

@Dredd97 - A New Hope is not only a classic for being the first SW, but by being a perfect movie, from the shots to the score, everything is iconic and so well constructed. Which is crazy given the nightmare it was to film. He is a visionary who inspired so many filmmakers. And funded HIS OWN films, that's the dream.

Nightwing1015 - 5/2/2020, 6:45 AM

Something I don't understand about this last episode. I remember that the siege of Mandalore has been scripted since 2013. So I assumed the episode's plot wouldn't really change that much in the last 7 years. But Rex tried to gun Ahsoka down during order 66. Which contradicts the Rebels episode where he claims he "didn't turn on his jedi" because he took the chip out.

So either the last episode of Clone Wars changed significantly, or the person who wrote that Rebels episode hadn't read the Mandalore scripts.

LameLuka - 5/2/2020, 7:15 AM

Sso far 7/12 episodes have been great. This is how you do Star Wars. Get Filoni to run the franchise, and Fire Kennedy

LameLuka - 5/2/2020, 7:15 AM

@LameLuka - *so

ManDeth - 5/2/2020, 7:28 AM

@LameLuka - It's too late. Star Wars is dead.

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