EDITORIAL: What Should Be Used In The Batman Reboot That Was Used In BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES

EDITORIAL: What Should Be Used In The Batman Reboot That Was Used In BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES

With WB's looking to reboot Batman, LEVITIKUZ looks at Batman: The Animated Series and what they should use from that series in the new rebooted Batman series.

Editorial Opinion
By LEVITIKUZ - Nov 20, 2012 09:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Animated Features

Christopher Nolan’s Batman series is over and WB’s wants to reboot. I feel that WB’s should look towards Batman: The Animated Series for inspiration for this new Batman series. Batman: The Animated Series has been called the best portrayal of Batman in any entertainment medium. The animated series also served as an inspiration for the video game series Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City. This new film series should have some influence from the animated series and here are 5 reason of what they should add from it.

Harvey Dent's And His Demons



One of my favorite Batman villains of all time is Two-Face but I haven’t been happy with his portrayal on the big screen. I loved Billy Dee Williams’s performance as Harvey Dent but I wished we could see more of a bond of a friendship between Dent and Bruce Wayne. I wished we could have seen Billy’s portrayal of Two-Face. I like Tommy Lee Jones as an actor but you were pitiful as Two-Face. I loved Aaron Eckhart’s Harvey Dent and Two-Face but I was disappointed how Two-Face kind of became the Venom in The Dark Knight in terms of screen time. The one thing the animated series did well is that they didn’t introduce Two-Face right away; they had Harvey Dent be in many episodes before we saw him as Two-Face. We saw Harvey’s dark side and him go to therapy in the animated series. The films never really explored Harvey’s other side which was called in the animated series as Big Bad Harv. The only time we saw something like Big Bad Harv was in The Dark Knight when Harvey was about to kill that criminal before Batman stopped him but at the same time, the criminal confirmed via his nametag that Rachel was the Joker’s next victim and since Dent is in a relationship with her it’s only common sense that he would try to protect her so that’s more why he did it than Big Bad Harv.

In the new Batman series, Harvey Dent and Two-Face shouldn’t be introduced in the same film. Show people Harvey’s acts as the DA, show Harvey’s demons and his Big Bad Harv side. The way a film should end is having Harvey Dent’s face half burned by a situation and have the audience see his face and then end the film, saving Two-Face for the next film.

Mr. Freeze



One of my favorite Batman villains also is Mr. Freeze. I liked how Joel Schumacher had parts of the animated series in Batman & Robin in terms of Freeze’s wife but I feel he missed the point. I didn’t understand why Freeze would commit crimes and try to freeze Gotham instead of finding a cure for his wife. It didn’t make sense. Mr. Freeze in the new Batman series should be a villain like Sandman or Doc Ock where the audience feels sorry for. Mr. Freeze needs to have 2 goals: finding a cure for his wife & seek vengeance on the men who took Nora and created him. Don’t go by the New 52 Freeze story but I strongly suggest doing a costume similar to the New 52 Freeze because it is awesome. The Heart of Ice episode which was the first episode of Mr. Freeze in the animated series has been called the best episode in the entire series. Mr. Freeze is one of the villains who need to be reintroduced and needs redemption from the pitiful Batman & Robin film. If Bane, who was portrayal way worse than Freeze, could find redemption from that film than Freeze could.

More Modern Robin



I’m talking about Dick Grayson here. When I say older Robin I mean Dick should be Robin around the ages of 17-19. Dick shouldn’t be 25ish and he shouldn’t be 15. 17-19 is a good age to have Dick Grayson as Robin. It worked well in the animated series. Another thing is his suit. Despite it’s not from Batman: The Animated Series, Dick’s Robin suit should look like the one in Arkham City minus the hood and add green on some of the areas where there is black.

Batgirl's introduction



They didn’t get shit right about Batgirl in Batman & Robin. When the time comes to introduce Batgirl she needs to be done right. In the animated series we see her before she turns into Batgirl. It’s important to showcase characters who we know what will happen to them. First off we need in a movie for a situation to happen to Barbara where Batman saves her and she is inspirited by Batman and we see her drawing ideas of a Batgirl suit. In another movie where she will be Batgirl, she needs to be introduced as Batgirl in one situation and one only: a situation where Commissioner Gordon is in danger. It shows a father-daughter bond. In Batman: The Animated Series, she was Batgirl in a situation where her father was being blackmailed by Two-Face. We need a situation like that. In The Batman, Batman and Batgirl have a talk after Batgirl’s first episode and Batman said after Batgirl helped him save Gordon and stop Ivy, “Not every child has the opportunity to save their parents. I think it would be better if you tell him.” Another thing is when Batman figures out who Batgirl is, he shouldn’t tell Dick. This will create conflict and we will see how Dick goes from Robin to Nightwing.

Harley, Harley, Harley Quinn



Did you think that I would mention the animated series without including her? This really doesn’t need to be discussed about any further. One of the many legacies that Batman: The Animated Series has is the introduction of the popular Batman villain: Harley Quinn. Harley is without a doubt the most popular Batman villain that hasn’t been on the big screen. Harley needs to be introduced in the Batman reboot without a doubt. We know Batman’s origin, we know Joker’s origin, audiences kind of know Robin’s origin, but most people don’t know Harley’s origin. A good way to go with the first film is introducing Harley because the Joker is envious at how Batman & Robin always stopping him and when Batman takes Joker back to Arkham, he is met by Harley. Joker tries to make her his sidekick. One thing that needs to happen in a movie like that is having Harley wear her original outfit. Let’s not go with the Arkham Asylum outfit just yet. Also Dini needs to be involved since he created Harley. Harley needs to be in the reboot no questions asked.

So what do you think? Do you like these suggestions? Comment below. Peace.

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tonytony
tonytony - 11/20/2012, 10:24 AM
not really a fan of bat girl on film, works in well in comics, same with robin. But while we can believe batman is the apex of non-superpowered crime fighting due to his many years of training, batgirl and to a lesser degree robin are not plausible characters to transfer to the big screen.

Every time I saw batgirl performing kicks and batman-like moves without any of his training in "Batman and Robin" it took me out of the movie same with robin, unless they introduce a back story where those two go off and train for years before becoming superheros I dont see those characters working and hope they dont use them.

The rest of this I agree with.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/20/2012, 11:45 AM
Too make Robin work, a good way would be to have Batman train him for a long time before letting him become robin. Big Daddy and Hit-Girl work, if they take some of that kind of approach, without the killing, and show that Batman train Dick has a soldier for a war against crime.
Darklypse
Darklypse - 11/20/2012, 11:59 AM
Personally I would have the first film do flashbacks to Bruce training and the very opening of the film be his parent's being killed and at this point he's working with Nightwing with only references to the days of Robin then in the second film actually do flashbacks of him adopting and training young Richard Grayson.

If the Batfamily is going to be in the reboot, I'd like the Superman family too. Hell, if they can do a World's Finest movie, why not do one with Superboy and Nightwing, providing CADMUS creates Superboy, not this N.O.W.H.E.R.E stuff and he is for example not grown in a tube but similar to how it's done in MGS. Clones, but born via a woman giving birth through experiments and do what they did with McGuinnis; that they aren't carbon copies, they are, for lack of better word, their sons are there are differences.

...Anyway, a bit of track there, er. Well good article. I like the vibe of Arkham City too, as it does feel a bit different from the TAS one. To write the script... not sure. Dini and Timm's treatment of the character was good, but over done his abilities too much on the account of them having Batboners. They could be at least considered for this film, but nothing else DC, despite their brilliant writing on stuff like the CADMUS story arc.

Also, like you mentioned in your other editorial, have a scene like the "Birth of Batman" one in the reboot. And the score must actually feel gothic like the score for the Phantasm one. Something like Walker's, but a little more refined.
FirstAvenger
FirstAvenger - 11/20/2012, 12:18 PM
Great ideas I'm making a fan-cast for The Batman, I had the same ideas.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/20/2012, 12:48 PM
@cipher
You don't like my idea...
evilness
evilness - 11/20/2012, 1:22 PM
@tonytony

thinking robin and batgirl can't work on-screen indicates a severe creativity deficit.

have you forgotten than batman himself too was 'lame' when robin and batgirl were? if batman can be made more serious, so can robin and batgirl
justified1
justified1 - 11/20/2012, 2:14 PM
what a great show. Still got to get volume 3 on dvd.

just saw two joker episodes.

Joker's Favor and the one where the mayors son is around for all the fun at the funhouse.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/20/2012, 2:26 PM
@cipher
Oh ok lol, I tought it was like a double statement joke.
bazinga85
bazinga85 - 11/20/2012, 3:02 PM
The reboot should be a mix of B:TAS and Arkham City/Asylum. The story and costume designer should take notes from AC, while having the Batman "feel" and confidence like the cartoon(plus all of the other stuff LEVI stated above). Nice editorial BTW.
tonytony
tonytony - 11/20/2012, 8:52 PM
@jingiroot. Your response suggests you are one of these people who cant right a response without insulting others, in which case you really shouldnt bother responding to me. At the moment batgirl and robins backstory is not plausible enough to make them become superheros while in comics we it works on the big screen it wont work without change to the backstory.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 11/20/2012, 9:25 PM
I like robin but having him in any movie without him being 20ish is kind of like a big contradiction to what Batman believes in. Batman running around fighting some of the most dangerous people in the world with a 12 year old when he's sworn to protect kids from danger but he is putting a kid in straight danger. After saying that, Robin's Reckoning is my favorite episode from B:TAS.





Preston
Preston - 11/21/2012, 8:21 AM
Robin should not be a Junior Partner. If he is already of age, he should be his own hero (see: Nightwing). It was silly to have Chris O'Donnell playing Robin when he looked older than Batman.

Robin should be a boy aged 12-14.



It works in comics because it's the way it's set up. It's hard to have a movie where a man recruits an underage kid to fight crime with him; however, it will work if you just plunge us into a world where Batman and his underage sidekick already coexist(see: Hit Girl). I think that trying to explain it would unravel the story, and make parental groups pull out their pitchforks.

So, just start with Batman and Robin kicking criminal arse together. And, the set up needs to be more fantasy comic-book movie (see: Hell Boy, Kick Ass, MARVEL) and less James Bond. In a world where Batman's Rouge's gallery are potential villains (and we aren't getting the terrorist of the week), having a kid sidekick wouldn't be all that unbelievable.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/21/2012, 8:40 AM
I think Robin should be around 15-16 year old. Alfred could represent the audience thought that this is dangerous for a teen instead of pushing Batman to use him as a sidekick like in Batman Forever. Batman would then explain to Alfred that the boy has already gymnastic ability and that if he start his training now it will give him a 5-6 more then he had and with that, dick could become a even better soldier against crime then he his.
Preston
Preston - 11/21/2012, 9:01 AM
BatsFan

15-16 can be Robin's age in the movie; however, the actor needs to be young (12-14 years of age). Something that always gets brought up is that there is typically a 3-4 year gap between movies. So, a kid who starts making Batman movies at 12, would make another at 15, and a third at 18 years of age.

If you start with an older kid lets say 16, they would make the second movie at 19, and the third at 22 years of age.

So, you need to get a child actor that can remain youthful for most of their run as Robin. I would say 2-3 movies. As the actor ages, you can slowly transition them into the Nightwing role.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/21/2012, 9:33 AM
@Preston

Yeah I get what you mean. But if they do that they need to get young actor that look or can look older. I think like @SotoJuiceMan that the first reboot should focus in some way on Robin origin. A nice base would be Dark Victory.
Preston
Preston - 11/21/2012, 9:47 AM
@BatFan

The problem of adapting Robin isn't with the fans as much as it would be with parental groups and families. A guy putting a minor in danger doesn't have a reasonable explanation. Studio executives would never approve of a story trying to justify why a kid is fighting crime.

The only expectable way to have Robin being a minor is to just make it so without a ton of explanation like they did with Hit Girl. When you try to justify it, you start running into problems.

You just introduce Batman and Robin as a duo, and it is what it is. Honestly, any justification would be it's undoing.

If you bring people into the story with Batman and Robin already a team, most won't ask many questions (see: X-Men). It just is what it is; origins aren't always necessary.
tonytony
tonytony - 11/21/2012, 11:17 AM
One more thing, kick ass actually felt like adam west batman, it was fun in some places but Im happy batman wasnt done like that. I genuinely believe the reason we dont see robin or batgirl is because of plausibility. But you know after Joel Schumachers batman, i thought there was no way back but you never know.
Preston
Preston - 11/21/2012, 12:16 PM
tonytony

I'm not sure why everyone assumes that BATMAN can only be done as campy or as an ultra-realistic non-superhero/superhero movie.

I would look towards 'Hell Boy' for a balance. In Fact, I think that Guillermo del Torro would direct an excellent BATMAN film.

In fact, I would like to see a Gotham that looks Gothic and doesn't have the feel of Chicago. I would like to see some REAL villains (BATMAN has the greatest rouge's gallery). And, yes for the first time ever, an under-age acrobat that makes goons eat their teeth.

However, I don't think that it has to be campy. It's how the character is written. Batman was extremely campy 'till he started being reinvented by the likes of Neil Adams and Denny o'Neil in the 70's.

But, I guess you mean that Kick Ass has elements of fantasy!? So, campy = fantasy. If that is the case, than the whole MARVEL universe is campy. And, If the MARVEL cinematic universe is campy because it respects the source material than give me that type of campy over depressing and emo any day.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/21/2012, 12:45 PM
I would like a mix of Gothic and urban city for Gotham. also like @Preston said Hell Boy type is good, not that i want demons and hell in the new Bats more for the tone, like it feel grounded in real world but with fantastical elements. For Batman I would go more with Science-Fiction instead of fantastic so that every unrealistic can be explain by science (man-bat, Mr.freeze, Killer Croc).
BatsFan
BatsFan - 11/22/2012, 11:26 AM
A good story would be in year 3. Batman, Gordon and Dent fight the mobs that are almost on there knees for a year now. To show that they still own Gotham, they execute the flying Grayson in front of Gotham high populace. That would be the first act. The rest of the movie would be Bruce training Dick, tacking him on patrol & fighting the mobs. All this end with Harvey being scared witch set up for the next movie with the transition from organized crime to super-villains and freaks. The only problem is that some of this was use in TDK...
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