AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Writer Teases The Conqueror's Future, Namor Plans, And Ant-Man's Big Mistake

AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Writer Teases The Conqueror's Future, Namor Plans, And Ant-Man's Big Mistake

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania writer Jeff Loveness teases plans for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, including the Council of Kangs, how Ant-Man's mistake affects the future, and a possible role for Namor.

By JoshWilding - Feb 25, 2023 12:02 PM EST

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania writer Jeff Loveness has been doing the rounds to discuss Marvel Studios' latest movie, but after being tapped to also pen Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, he's understandably choosing his words carefully. However, the writer has dropped at least a few big hints about where the Multiverse Saga may be going. 

Talking to ComicBook.com, for example, Loveness seemingly confirmed the identity of one character we can expect to see when Earth's Mightiest Heroes assemble again. "Namor, man. I'm excited to write Namor," he tells the site. 

We're sure Ant-Man will also factor into that story given his history with Kang and the writer would go on to acknowledge that Scott Lang "is the guy who literally saved the universe in Endgame [and] might accidentally be the guy who f***s the multiverse in its next saga."

Loveness also mentioned to The Hollywood Reporter that, "There was a version of Quantumania where we thought, 'Well, it’s an Ant-Man movie, so maybe it should have more of a loser Kang or maybe even a goofy Kang the Conqueror.'"

However, after he saw He Who Remains in the Loki finale, "I took it as a challenge to dive in and write the classical and tortured supervillain version of Kang the Conqueror from the Silver Age."

In a separate conversation with Variety, meanwhile, the writer elaborated on the mid-credits scene that showed us the Council of Kangs and confirmed there are literally thousands of his Variants waiting in the wings and plotting...something

"Well, that’s the beautiful thing about Kang in the comics. He is defeated a lot," Loveness responded when asked if we'll see the Conqeuror again. "In fact, it’s almost comedic how often he loses. The scary thing is that he’s not defined by his failure, and he can keep coming back stronger and stronger. It’s not like you can just blow up the mothership, just beat him once and you’re done."

"He is almost an existential threat, and the more you fight him the worse he’s going to get."

"That is a fun, post-modernist challenge that is different for a superhero movie, and it’s going to present a very complicated challenge for them going forward," he said of what The Avengers can expect to face in The Kang Dynasty. "It was very hard beating one of these guys. What’s going to happen when suddenly the rest of them are aware of what we’re doing?"

As of right now, it's still hard to predict where Marvel Studios is taking the Multiverse Saga. Will it be a case of Earth's Mightiest Heroes assembling to battle an endless army of Kang Variants or something more? Loveness clearly intends to dive into the villain's unique place in the MCU in a big way, but what that will look like remains to be seen. 

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania is currently playing in theaters. As for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, that's been dated for May 2, 2025.

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MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 2/25/2023, 12:06 PM
Newsflash:
Nobody is excited for Avengers 5 right now.
roboticJohnson
roboticJohnson - 2/25/2023, 12:14 PM
To be fair, the idea of a villain that keeps on coming back stronger every time he's defeated no matter what could be interesting, but considering loveness' writing skills I'm more worried than intrigued
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 2/25/2023, 12:21 PM
see? its [frick]ing cheap. they throw at us how Quantumania was so interesting because Ant-Man (little) was going to fight Kang (very big), but then they say its a goofy Kang. [frick]ING CHEAP.

and yeah the post modern aspect of the million of kangs, in contrast with something like Thanos is interesting, but post modern wont work if all your stories are starting to be as formulaic as they can be. you need nuanced material for that kind of concepts to work, and you need to EMBRACE it.

go TRULY nuts with the multiverse for it to work also, not just "ohhh 3 second allpaint universe" or "ooh ppl with broccoli heads". Marvel is [frick]ing EMPTY at this very moment.

They are starting to make decisions like DC did before. trying to appease audiences from all countries, investors, execs, kids, adults, old people, everything. thats why its flavourless now.

Im SO hopeful for DC now since Gunn is clearly going to make something more personal, more relatable, more serious, more nuanced, more autor-like, instead of having their movies be just like chewing [frick]ing tutti frutti bubblegum.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/25/2023, 1:23 PM
@SorcererSupreme - you didn’t read that correctly. He said he was originally going to write Kang as goofy. He then decided against it.
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 2/25/2023, 3:06 PM
@philinterrupted - it still stands, they chose a disposable Kang that even Ant-Man could kill with the illusory idea that it was going to be a more threatening Kang.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/25/2023, 3:22 PM
@SorcererSupreme - I don’t think it’s definitive that he’s dead.
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 2/25/2023, 4:12 PM
@philinterrupted - so? Kang still got his butt kicked by ants...
lmao at the likes on your comments being angry for talking the truth about marvel
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/25/2023, 4:22 PM
@SorcererSupreme - you are correct, they were ants. You are also leaving out all context. But that’s what you people do.
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 2/25/2023, 4:37 PM
@philinterrupted - No, im not leaving out the context, the movie is out there. I dont have to write the whole plot in order to say that Kang was defeated by Ant-Man.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/25/2023, 4:45 PM
@SorcererSupreme - there is context though. Just saying ants implies they were insignificant insects.
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 2/25/2023, 4:54 PM
@philinterrupted - ok, they were not just ants, it was a whole rebellion of characters we dont care about and we wont ever see again in the MCU, along with Pym's ants. Makes little difference when talking about impact and relevance on the MCU
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 2/25/2023, 6:16 PM
@SorcererSupreme -
Corruptor
Corruptor - 2/26/2023, 10:16 AM
@SorcererSupreme - ANT-MAN BEAT KANG? SOON SHANG-CHI BEAT KANG! BEST SUPER-HERO EVER! SAVE MULTIVERSE WITH ONE KARATE CHOP! DON'T SAY KUNG-FU! PLAYED BY SIMU!
kg8817
kg8817 - 2/25/2023, 12:28 PM
Marvel has to be very careful with how many times they show the general audience that a Kang will be defeated and then bring back a different version.

The general public and critics right now are mentioning how there are becoming little to no stakes. And if you keep defeating or “killing” a Kang, you’re going to play right into that criticism.

They need to start emphasizing that Kang is essentially Hydra in villain form - cut one head off, two more take his place. Once you defeat him, he comes back stronger.

Whether this version comes back as The Beyonder, or a stronger version of Kang, he needs to immediately make an impact that will stick. He HAS to kill a beloved character and show exactly what happens when you try and stop him.

Tony said in Endgame “when you mess with time time tends to mess back. You’ll see.” We need to see Kang be that mantra in villain form.

His introduction in Kang Dynasty needs to be that he kills a beloved character in front of everyone and lets them mourn. Then, he time travels or reverses time and brings them back to life. The assembled heroes rally around the once dead character and try and protect him, but the Kang overpowers them and kills them again. And then he does it over and over to emphasize no matter how they try and stop him, if he planned for this character to die, he will make it happen and he masters time to do it.

THAT, would be frightening and an epic display of his threat.
mountainman
mountainman - 2/25/2023, 2:14 PM
@kg8817 - Of course there are stakes. Yellow jelly bean head guy died. Big stakes! And MODOK sacrificed himself after being called a sick by a teenager! Super big stakes.
Vigor
Vigor - 2/25/2023, 2:30 PM
@kg8817 - that sounds exciting
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 2/25/2023, 12:45 PM
Can't wait for the return of Kukulkan.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/25/2023, 12:54 PM
I’m always down for more of the Feather Serpent God


But let Coogler advise on how this Loveness clown writes him. Like Gunn with the Guardians in IW.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 2/25/2023, 12:55 PM
Kang/Nathaniel Richards

DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/25/2023, 12:58 PM


I liked Namor pretty much except for the huge goofy nose thing and earrings.

Fogs
Fogs - 2/25/2023, 2:17 PM
@DocSpock - I bet he'll lose those in the future. MCU loves to change outfits/looks. Sells more action figures.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/25/2023, 3:09 PM
@Fogs -

Hopefully.

Corruptor
Corruptor - 2/26/2023, 10:18 AM
@DocSpock - Get Tiger Shark to bite them off. Fun to watch. Namor's very own Sabretooth right there.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/26/2023, 10:53 AM
@Corruptor -

Sadistic. Inventive. I like it!

Corruptor
Corruptor - 2/27/2023, 10:22 AM
@DocSpock - http://archive.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=475198

Can't really develop Namor without including that guy... chomp, chomp, chomp!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/25/2023, 1:10 PM
Wait...

The movie is an army of Kangs versus the Avengers? WTF? Shouldn't the Kangs be fighting each other in a Multiversal War, incursions and whatnot, Avengers Vs variants from another world or worlds?
Vigor
Vigor - 2/25/2023, 2:28 PM
@ObserverIO - actually this is a twist on how Kang always was. He always was just the SAME guy coming back throughout different time periods

Here it's variants of the same guy, all aware of Kangs' defeats, coming back stronger than before.

I kind of like it. Once you wrap your mind around how it's literally how Kangs presence and threat has always been in the comics and other media, it's kind of exciting
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/25/2023, 2:39 PM
@Vigor - But if this movie is leading towards Secret Wars and we've been building towards incursions and a multiversal war, then all the Kangs being on the same side makes no sense.

It should be universe against universe for survival. And in the MCU each Kang represents a different universe/timeline, rather than just being the same Kang at different points in time.

It feels like the story might have gotten away from them and they don't know what they're doing. Could be a messy ending to Phase 6 incoming.
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