New Details On The Russos MCU Involvement Post-AVENGERS: SECRET WARS And Multiverse Saga Struggles

New Details On The Russos MCU Involvement Post-AVENGERS: SECRET WARS And Multiverse Saga Struggles

New details have been revealed about how involved the Russos will be with the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Avengers: Secret Wars. We also have additional insights into the Multiverse Saga's struggles...

By JoshWilding - Nov 11, 2025 02:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars
Source: The Cosmic Circus

Marvel Studios delivered a masterpiece with 2019's Avengers: Endgame, but recapturing that same magic has been no easy feat since the Infinity Saga ended. There have been a lot of great movies and TV shows, but even Kevin Feige has admitted to quantity over quality issues.

With Bob Chapek no longer calling the shots at Disney, Marvel Studios is looking to get back to its former glory. That means less content for fans, as only three movies will be released in the remainder of the Multiverse Saga: Spider-Man: Brand New Day, Avengers: Doomsday, and Avengers: Secret Wars

The Russo Brothers, Joe and Anthony, are directing the latter two movies and will reportedly stick around post-Secret Wars to help lay the foundations for what we're expecting to be dubbed the "Mutant Saga."

The Cosmic Circus has today shared some insights into what's next for the duo, as well as details on how the Multiverse Saga hasn't exactly played out in the way Marvel Studios hoped when Spider-Man: Far From Home concluded the previous era of storytelling six years ago. 

"So, as I understand it, Marvel’s bringing the Russos along for the ride post-Secret Wars as part of the famous 'Marvel Parliament,' basically just overseeing the general story for the next Saga. Because they want to avoid the mistakes they made with the Multiverse Saga in trying to branch out to many different story points and having multiple open endings without having a clear direction."

"Like, the main idea of the saga was to basically introduce this idea of the multiverse so Marvel could play around in the sandbox and do things they’d never really get a chance to do if it was just their main, established universe. And they wanted to try out new elements and explore new corners of the MCU while still trying to find ways to relate it to the multiverse, ultimately to get to this point where incursions are happening in the main universe and the multiverse is about to end. And of course, introduce cameos of previous heroes here and there."

"But COVID-19 affected their plans; a lot of the internal discussions pushed for Marvel to drop their content months and even years before they were ready, and it was a domino effect that really just had a catastrophic mess of a story plot where practically less than half of the projects dropped in the last 5 years actually matter to the overall plot of the Multiverse Saga."

"And in their minds, the Russos, who have experience juggling multiple characters in their movies and tying storylines together, would be a good addition to the team. They can provide their input into what works where, what can be introduced now vs. what can be introduced some other time, and so on."

There's a lot to unpack here, but it sounds like we can expect the Russos to keep their eye on a far more focused Saga (likely built around the X-Men). As for the Multiverse Saga, the pandemic definitely didn't help, and neither did attempting to tell stories in theaters and on streaming simultaneously. 

2023's strikes were similarly problematic, while a shift in how moviegoers consume content—at home and on streaming—has ensured that $1 billion worldwide is no longer the norm for any superhero movie. 

As always, you can let us know your thoughts on this news in the comments section below.

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Spike101
Spike101 - 11/11/2025, 2:18 PM
They talk like it’s hard to plan ahead and make things joined up, a 10 year old could do. Their own issue really is terrible writing, but before even that I suspect the brief given to the writers is also weak and flawed. They gave up on the Eternals, big mistake. Should have just recast the Black Panther, and stop with rubbing fans noses in the shit with stuff like the Mandarin twist. Easy things to rectify.
TheRevelation
TheRevelation - 11/11/2025, 4:20 PM
@Spike101 - Yup, I can't state enough how much McFeely and Markus, who I think reigned McFeely in to a degree, really were to the storytelling. You can just see it in the older films.
Spike101
Spike101 - 11/11/2025, 4:24 PM
@TheRevelation - exactly, the earlier films were just so much better in this respect. Paper thin plots and daft humour have really screwed most of the later films up.
NOID
NOID - 11/11/2025, 2:23 PM
They could’ve easily just used the multiverse to create a new cinematic universe… recast all new actors…. And eventually, if they wanted to bring back previous actors, they just open up that portal and have at it. They were never going to be able to carry on the story with all the actors leaving…
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/11/2025, 2:25 PM
This Circus [frick] always has some ChatGPT response. Milquetoast ass mofo
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 11/11/2025, 2:47 PM
The MCU should've been rebooted after Endgame; they should've started from scratch with an entire new cast of actors playing the heroes. Who on earth thought that continuing the current universe with C and D list characters was ever going to work ?
Fogs
Fogs - 11/11/2025, 2:49 PM
@TheJok3r - overconfidence.
eagc1995
eagc1995 - 11/11/2025, 3:34 PM
@TheJok3r - Stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy showing that you could take these lower tier characters and making them into household names

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut............you need a great story and make them into characters we wanna follow for years, which is where they failed
Gambito
Gambito - 11/11/2025, 2:51 PM
I see CosmicCircus, I leave
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 11/11/2025, 2:58 PM
That's a great idea, if it happens
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/11/2025, 3:09 PM

Bad writing, bad directing, and a huge dose of woke crap are what ran the MCU in a ditch. D+ was a bust. They had 3-4 good shows and a giant bag of crap from the other shows. The movies...YIKES! Ant-Man 3, Thor 4, The Marvels, & FalCap BNW were all terrible. They did have Spidey NWH, Dr Strange MOM, DP+W, but the other movies were either mediocre or really bad.

If Doomsday, Secret Wars, and Spidey BND are of the quality like Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Iron Man, Endgame, then they can right this ship. If not, they will be in SERIOUS, possibly irrevocable trouble.

TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/11/2025, 3:29 PM
As expected. , Co-Vid was the big disrupter which is still showing its effects in various industries so that & other external and internal factors such as the D+ mandate and the 2 strikes amongst other things led to the state of the MCU as it is now unfortunately (even though personally i have enjoyed this saga more then some thus far)…

Anyway while the Russo’s recent directorial track record hasn’t been stellar critically , they are creatives who like pretty much any are capable of good ideas so it would be nice to have them as part of Marvel’s braintrust moving forward.

Regardless if it happens or not , i hope the next Saga post SW has less issues & obstacles to face and turns out even better!!.
YonnyLayna
YonnyLayna - 11/11/2025, 3:33 PM
Marvel Studios lose the Way when they thought Hollywood writers could come up With better storylines than their comicbook writers,
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/11/2025, 4:20 PM
@YonnyLayna - anyone can make a good story whether it’s Hollywood or comic book writers. There are plenty comic book writers where the story doesn’t resonate with the audience and vice a versa. Some of it is just luck. People’s preferences also change. Originally when superior spiderman came out, people hated it and now it’s relatively loved. Originally people hated the original fantastic four movies and now there’s some nostalgia to those movies. It’s not so black and white.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/11/2025, 5:15 PM
@epc1122 - Sure anyone can make a good story and there are lots of writers who write screenplays. Maybe one if them can pull a good screenplay outta their ass and it'll make a good and successful movie. Lotsa critical praise and lotsa money.

That's the way it is, that's standard. And by this standard you're taking a gamble on every screenplay. It might be gold that the writer has pulled outta there ass or it might be shit. Most of the time what comes out a writer's ass is shit.

But when you buy something like Marvel you're buying material. Material that has proven itself. Some of it has proven itself to be good, some to be shit. But you buy it for the good material so you can then adapt that material.

So why in cold hell do they tell writers not to read the comics and to pull something original out of their ass?! That's throwing away a surefire story that has proven itself and is beloved by fans for a random lucky bag where the odds of it being any good are not in your favor.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/11/2025, 5:35 PM
@ObserverIO - general audience members don’t follow comics and if it’s not exactly like the source material, you get comic fans upset. So I think some creators just want to do original stories. I don’t necessarily agree but I can understand wanting to do something original. The last Jedi was pretty original and at first people hated it, but over time, I think it has almost a cult favorite. Maybe not cult status but I think more people have respect for it to be original. I think there’s needs to be a combination but I do find it odd that some people hate Disney live action remakes yet comic fans seem to want exact translation from the source material but there’s a lot of backstory with certain stories and again, I think creators want to tell new stories.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/11/2025, 6:13 PM
@epc1122 - What I'm saying is that there's no guarantee that original stuff will be good. But if you make a movie based on a beloved story then you're halfway there.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/11/2025, 6:25 PM
@ObserverIO - there’s no guarantee that you take a comic story and turn it into a movie and it’s liked or successful. Dc animated translated dc hush, Batman v Robin, flashpoint, etc and people didn’t like it. Watchmen was a popular comic and it had a mixed reception. I could argue that the watchmen show was better received and essentially that was a new story. People were disappointed with civil war to a degree bc the movie took out a lot. Had the basic premise but not an exact translation. People generally liked days of futures past but there were people who still complained. Just bc it’s based off a comic book story, doesn’t mean people are going to be happy. Cw did crisis of infinite earths and people complained. The dark knight, guardians of the galaxy, iron man, and avengers infinity war were in large part original and are some of the most loved superhero movies. Sometimes it’s just catching lightning in a bottle. I think it helps for comic fans but in large part, these movies need to cater to the general audience who aren’t beholden to the source material and just want to be entertained.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/11/2025, 6:31 PM
@epc1122 - You're right there's no guarantee, but you're 50% of the way there when you already have good and proven source material. You just need to adapt it well enough. Whereas when with an original thing you're 0% of the way there.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/11/2025, 6:35 PM
@ObserverIO - not sure where you get those numbers. I think getting the characters right or close to the source material is important, not so much the story. I think man of steel and Superman 25 took inspiration from a few popular stories and each were divisive movies. Captain America and Batman begins were relatively new stories but the character depictions were fairly close to the source and people in large part liked the movies. Just curious, what stories would you like adapted?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 4:48 AM
@epc1122 - 0% is none of the way. That's accurate when you take a chance on any original screenplay.

50% just means halfway. If you base it on something that is already 100% there, then you're already halfway to having a successful product.

For example Lord of the Rings was one of the most important books (or trilogy of books) of the 20th Century, so before a screenplay was even written, they were already halfway there. They adapted the books faithfully and the movies were very successful.
Whereas if I were to start from scratch writing my own fantasy film right now, I am currently 0% of the way there because the story has never existed before and has never been tested with a mass audience.

So, do you think my screenplay will be good? Would you bet hundreds of millions of dollars on it being good? Of course not, I'm a rando and the screenplay could be anything.

My random screenplay vs a faithful adaptation of LOTR. Which is the safer bet?

Now if Peter Jackson (along with Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) had never read the Lord of the Rings books and were only familiar with the characters through the pop culture and had decided to write something original featuring some of those characters or even none of those characters but just a few of the concepts like Wizards hobbits and orcs then suddenly you're taking a gamble on it being good enough to sustain an audience.
Because it's a new thing instead of a classic thing.

As for what stories I would like to see adapted, well if we're talking Marvel then we're talking Stan Lee. Can't go wrong with Stan Lee. That's the secret sauce that's been working for them so far. If we're talking X-Men then I would extend that to Chris Claremont.

The stuff that works, the classic comics. The very reason the brand recognition has power in the first place.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 6:43 AM
@ObserverIO - we’re going to have to agree to disagree. According to you, you should really only adapt books that have a fan base and you lose a lot of originality. If it were up to you there wouldn’t be back to the future, Rocky, Star Wars, terminator, etc. the companies have to read the screenplays before they move forward with it. They can love a new screenplay before backing it or they can go with a book with a built in fan base. You can take some inspiration from the comics like I previously posted, but nothing is a sure fire hit. X-men 97 took some inspiration but to my knowledge it was a brand new story. In addition to all that, some adaptations are just too expensive and not realistic. Look at secret invasion, huge disappointment for a tv show.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 5:12 PM
@epc1122 - - I don't think we're disagreeing per se.
BTTF, Rocky, Star Wars etc were good. I'm not saying that original stuff can't be good, just that there's no guarantee of it being good, whereas things that are already good are already good so if you adapt those things well enough you have more of a guarantee that the movie will also be good.

So rando could write Star Wars or The Room.
But Shakespeare is always gonna be Shakespeare.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 5:25 PM
@ObserverIO - I think everything in this is a gamble and these creators and execs need to go with their gut for what’s going to resonate with the audience. It might be a slightly better chance if they do adaptions of popular stories but there’s been evidence that also shows that these versions also aren’t successful. Dc has quite a few animated movies that were adaptations of popular stories and they didn’t really move the needle. Plus, being good is so subjective. I remember there were people who were upset about Iron man creating ultron and then that movie went on to be extremely successful and i remember people were disappointed with civil war and secret invasion not being close enough to the comic version. Watchmen also had a mixed reception. Plus books that were popular years ago, may not received well now bc there’s no guarantee for success with these movies. But, agree to disagree 👍
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 5:35 PM
@epc1122 - Again you're not really saying anything I disagree with. Being an adaptation of something good is not a 100% guarantee that the movie will be good. And original things can be good too.

Watchmen though... It failed to connect with movie audiences at the time but is certainly regarded well in hindsight.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 6:01 PM
@ObserverIO - isn’t that kind of funny how that works? How originally movies might have a mixed reception but then with time people might like it more, and the reverse can happen where originally movies are liked but then with time, people will say that it’s overrated. I think im in the minority, but I kind of feel the raimi spider-man trilogy is a bit overrated (used to love them) and then I didn’t really care for iron man 3 or guardians of the galaxy 2 when they came out but find I can rewatch them and somewhat enjoy them more. Not that i don’t like the raimi trilogy, may have seen it too much though but find it slightly more boring. Well, either way, glad we agree to agree 🤣
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 6:37 PM
@epc1122 - With some films I think distance can be good. Time heals all wounds. I don't hate Fantastic Four 2015 like I did when it came out. And films like The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel, fans tore those movies new assholes when they came out. I was probably one of them. But now I regard them both very highly.

Maybe it has something to do with how we change and grow as people too. Like if our past selves and our future selves could be alive at the same time they might argue endlessly about whether a cbm is good or not.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 6:45 PM
@ObserverIO - I love man of steel but I think when it first came out I was more apologetic about it, still love it but I do have issues with the movie lol. I do think there are a ton of factors for the change. For me, I think I’ve rewatched some of these movies too much because I do like to love most of them but now I have favorite scenes rather than enjoying the whole movie. Plus I’m older and find there’s too much to watch lol. Which are your favorites?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 6:59 PM
@epc1122 - Any cbm by Donner, Burton, Nolan, Raimi are classics.
I've watched them all far too much that they lose their impact with me, so I try to fight the urge to watch them and kinda tease myself. I'll edge on not watching them for a couple of years or so and then treat myself. That always seems to give them their impact back.

I also love pretty much all of the Infinity Saga, even the stuff that I thought was meh at the time.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2025, 7:01 PM
And I love some of the FoX-Men movies too. First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, Logan and the Deadpool movies.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 7:06 PM
@ObserverIO - in large part I agree with you but also find that the music in these movies also have a big impact on me so I can listen to my favorite tracks and that brings me joy where I can almost see the movie in my head without actually watching the movies lol.
epc1122
epc1122 - 11/12/2025, 7:08 PM
@ObserverIO - I like the foxmen movies but the timelines really frustrate me lol. I try to make lists to make some sense of it all but the movies timelines really are whacky, especially when you include the Wolverine and Deadpool movies lol 😂
artofwilldeonne
artofwilldeonne - 11/11/2025, 4:43 PM
Please just need to understand that we "grew up" in the digital-heavy content/reaction/reactor/trailer reaction era for about 10 years.
ITs not what it used to be. We go older and turned 35, 40, 45, etc.

So the interests are different. We dont need a "repeat", those that come after us can have a "reboot" but WE dont need one.

We had the "big bad" over arching plot, etc. I think they could just leave that alone at this point but they keep trying to establish easter eggs and what not.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/11/2025, 5:19 PM
@artofwilldeonne - Those that come after us have been here for a good long while already. They needed a reboot. It didn't happen. So they didn't show up.
We are still here but our numbers are dwindling.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/11/2025, 5:20 PM
And also, we will all go see the reboot anyway. We always do.
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 11/11/2025, 6:39 PM
In 10 years the new Tony Stark actor will get old just like RDJ did. It’s going to be the same problems as before. Let’s just go all the way AI and be done with it. Nobody ages and you can do these movies for decades without having to recast anything.
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 11/12/2025, 6:36 AM
@Makiveli21 - jesus
Nolanite
Nolanite - 11/11/2025, 7:31 PM
You guys need to stop hating on CosmicCircus, those are my pals and I write for them occasionally.

We don't pose any harm.

Nolanite out
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 11/12/2025, 6:36 AM
Endgame was a masterpiece?

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