RUMOR: Here's How AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Will Reboot The MCU (And What It Means For The X-Men & Fantastic Four)

RUMOR: Here's How AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Will Reboot The MCU (And What It Means For The X-Men & Fantastic Four)

New insights into Marvel Studios' plans to reboot the MCU after Avengers: Secret Wars have been revealed, including the introduction of a new timeline that will merge several different realities...

By JoshWilding - Aug 16, 2025 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars
Source: The Cosmic Circus

When Marvel Studios regained the rights to the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises from 20th Century Fox, it was cause for celebration among most Marvel fans. However, Kevin Feige and company were left to figure out how and when to reintroduce Marvel's First Family and mutants. 

We've just met the Fantastic Four of Earth 828, of course, and Thunderbolts* director Jake Schreier will helm an X-Men reboot after Avengers: Secret Wars is released. Rumour has it that the movie will essentially reboot the MCU, with certain roles recast and the introduction of a new timeline shared by the Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Spider-Man (who still belongs to Sony Pictures). 

The Cosmic Circus has shared some insights today, revealing that the post-Secret Wars MCU will combine elements from all the different realities we've visited (and have yet to visit) to create Earth 616 as it was "originally."

As the site puts it, "Back when Avengers 5 was still 'The Kang Dynasty,' one of the big twists was how the Earth we have seen in these films and shows was not Earth-616, but rather a version of Earth-616 cultivated by He Who Remains that removed many heroes from what was ORIGINALLY Earth-616. This would have been called Earth Prime."

"It’s why Doctor Strange vaguely remembers the Fantastic Four as a 'band' that charted in the 60s instead of them being world-renowned astronauts who gained powers after a space exploration," the piece explains, "or why Erik Lehnsherr never became Magneto, or why Charles Xavier was a simple college professor."

"The reset expected in Avengers: Secret Wars would alter that course of events and bring with it an Earth that was always meant to be filled with Avengers, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. And we’d basically be in the middle of a timeline where everyone in the world thinks that this has always been the case since the beginning of time," it concludes. 

This isn't all that different from how The Flash TV show handled its reset following the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths (which, as we're sure you'll remember, made it so that Supergirl, for example, had always been part of the Arrowverse). 

There are a few other interesting tidbits in the article, including the Eternals not returning in the next Avengers movies, the door being open to Kang returning down the line, and the fact that "everything is fair game to be brought back" after the reboot, including "previously dead heroes and villains."

Interestingly, "certain events that we know happened in the MCU will have occurred in a different way" as well, suggesting Marvel Studios will use this opportunity to make a few retcons and reshape this franchise for a new era of storytelling. 

There's never been a franchise like the MCU, and it will be nearly 20 years old by the time Avengers: Secret Wars is released in December 2027. It's time for a reboot, and time for some fan favourite characters (Iron Man, for example) to return with new faces. 

Let us know your thoughts on these rumoured details about the MCU's future in the comments section.

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NGFB
NGFB - 8/16/2025, 12:35 PM
Reboot, retcon, reshape, reimagine. Nobody cares. Just make good movies.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/16/2025, 1:02 PM
@NGFB - wisest thing ever said on this site.
UnderBelly
UnderBelly - 8/16/2025, 1:52 PM
@NGFB - So much easier to say than do though....multiple actors, alot of people with financial interest (it is a business after all and they won't do this shit for free) and alot of creatives who have individual visions...not to mention all the shit that goes along with shooting these movies in multiple places, tempering fan expectations, which is becoming increasingly difficult with leakers and the internet age we're in.


Im just saying we are lucky enough to be living in a time where we can complain about not getting great cbm movies/tv shows when 20 years ago all we had was a couple x men and blade movies that stayed on repeat.

Thank you Feige.. I hope it continues to work out.
NGFB
NGFB - 8/16/2025, 2:01 PM
@UnderBelly - Good point! Agreed!
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 8/16/2025, 12:37 PM
Fire feige and the creative team and give a 5 years break. The desperation is palpable
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/16/2025, 1:12 PM
@SteviesRightFoo - at this point, i wont mind if they cancel doomsday and secret wars and start the hiatus. And i agree on firing feige and a full reboot
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 8/16/2025, 2:07 PM
@vectorsigma - good thing nobody cares what the fry cook at McDonald’s thinks. Now go stock up the ketchup packets loser.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 8/16/2025, 12:40 PM
The thing about Strange doesn’t make since because The Fantastic Four really were a real life a band in the 60s lmao

Also I find it funny that Josh’s frame of reference is specifically the CW Crisis and not the comic that did the exact same thing.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/16/2025, 12:48 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - Josh is not big on reading comics …. Or in reading at all.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/16/2025, 12:49 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - true but I always took that from Strange as a meta joke since the comic FF started in the 60’s as you know

I guess you could take it both ways
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 8/16/2025, 1:39 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - the comic with the exact name as the movie too lol
Oberlin4Prez
Oberlin4Prez - 8/16/2025, 12:42 PM
That’s actually kind of interesting.

Doesn’t make up for the crap to mid story telling of the last two phases that have so tarnished the brand. But I think that could work.

The question remains, when the dust settles, even if the next two Avengers movies are a success, will it be enough to get people back to showing up for Marvel movies outside of Spider-Man and Big event movies, like they did prior to endgame?
DocSpock
DocSpock - 8/16/2025, 12:42 PM

The X-Men will be so important to all this.

If they let the Hollywood pervert agenda squad ruin it, the MCU may be destroyed.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/16/2025, 1:56 PM
@DocSpock - I've been saying X-Men will be their real test. People were saying F4 would be, but no. Doomsday and Secret Wars will likely make money, and Spider-Man will ALWAYS make money.

But, after Secret Wars, if X-Men fails, then you might as well kiss the MCU goodbye. It will never recover.

The X-Men are the 2nd largest recognizable, fan favorite superhero team to the general audience. If they can't get asses in seats for them then they might as well call it quits. It will be the true sign that people just don't care about superhero movies or the MCU anymore.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/16/2025, 12:42 PM
Well thats dumb….the Doctor Strange reference is about the Beatles who were known as the Fab Four , it was a dig at mr Fantastic but this fool seems to think that the Fantastic Four were a band in earth 616 …..so thats proof this is bs
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/16/2025, 12:44 PM
@Malatrova15 - exactly.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/16/2025, 12:52 PM
@Malatrova15 - great point. And anyone can release their theories prior to the majors firing and claim it is the real deal because there is no way it can be proven
Martianhunter
Martianhunter - 8/16/2025, 1:04 PM
@Malatrova15 - This starts to sound more like transformers movies now. Megatron is dead, then he is back with parts of 5 others, then he looks like sick, then he is nanobot, then he is rusty and old again.
Glad MCU following same path.
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McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/16/2025, 12:43 PM
"It’s why Doctor Strange vaguely remembers the Fantastic Four as a 'band' that charted in the 60s instead of them being world-renowned astronauts who gained powers after a space exploration"


No....no it's not. The Fab Four was a popular nickname for the Beatles during the 60s. Strange was simply referencing the Beatles.

Why would Strange mistake a group of astronauts as a band? Dumb take.

Btw this scooper is probably full of horseshit folks.
Fogs
Fogs - 8/16/2025, 2:17 PM
@McMurdo - correct.
Martianhunter
Martianhunter - 8/16/2025, 12:45 PM
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vectorsigma
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TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 8/16/2025, 12:56 PM
All these convoluted stories could've been avoided with a simple "the people who returned from the snap have mutated somehow". That's your X-Men introduction right there. As for F4, just say they were trapped in the Quantum Realm for whatever reason.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/16/2025, 1:02 PM
@TheJok3r - your mutation idea would onlh work if marvel is willing to give mutant powers to some already powered characters that disappeared in the snap. It will be weird for example to only see this on newly introduced characters
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 8/16/2025, 1:04 PM
@vectorsigma - It wouldn't be everyone of course (that would be 4 billion mutants), just a small minority of people who weren't brought back right, or something to that effect.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/16/2025, 1:07 PM
@TheJok3r - yeah i know, that is why i mentioned some

But to see mutation from newly introduced characters (xmen) only will be weird and no mutation happening to already introduced hero in the mcu that disappered.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 8/16/2025, 1:30 PM
@TheJok3r - nope… that would have been horrible lol Plus, it’s way better to have a universe where mutants have always been a part of it
Fogs
Fogs - 8/16/2025, 2:19 PM
@TheJok3r - I thought they would use the Celestials in Eternals, or the High Evolutionary as an introduction for the mutants.

But I also thought they knew what they were doing, so... Joke's on me.
Fogs
Fogs - 8/16/2025, 2:21 PM
@vectorsigma - actually wanda and pietro had their mutation activated by the mind stone. Older mutants could also be existant, just not a lot like them that would make in the news.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/16/2025, 12:59 PM
And people thought fitting Peacemaker into the new DCU was confusing.....
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 8/16/2025, 1:06 PM
@lazlodaytona - Marvel, for whatever reason, thought that it would be a good idea to make the movies and series convoluted like the comics. Did no one in the room point to them how terrible comic sales are ? These characters being streamlined for live action is what made them successful in the first place.
herohype
herohype - 8/16/2025, 1:18 PM
@TheJok3r - but what makes you think that you would like a rebooted mcu? its still Kevin siege and Disney...

marvel exposed the comic con crowd for only liking popular characters if anything. most ppl wanted a reboot after endgame bc its what they're used to
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 8/16/2025, 1:31 PM
@lazlodaytona - I mean maybe I’m just a big nerd (which is true) but the explanation in this article made total sense..
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/16/2025, 1:52 PM
@TheJok3r -

I guess I gotta agree with Dr. Malcolm:
""Yeah, yeah, but your scientists (writers, directors, and Marvel) were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/16/2025, 1:56 PM
@Urubrodi - no. You're good bro. I got the gist of the explanation. It is just WAY more complicated than what they're doing with Peacemaker yet every was losing their minds over Gunn's explanation which, really, it's not that difficult to grasp and said in WAY simpler terms than the one up above.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/16/2025, 1:58 PM
every*one was losing their minds......
String
String - 8/16/2025, 1:06 PM
I've always believed the whole concept of the multiverse came about was due to Disney acquiring the X-Men & Fantastic Four rights and Feige's desire to work closely with SONY with Spider-Man to continue using the character in the MCU. Remember Feige said Spider-Man was the "one character who could cross universes". There was a plan to bring all the character universes together. If Disney hadn't acquired the FOX rights to X-Men, the multiverse saga probably would never have existed.

I see Secret Wars as Kevin Feige's way to clear the board of concepts that weren't working. I'll use Eternals as an example. I liked that film more than most folks but if the Earth is remade after Secret Wars with a different history than I don't expect to see the celestial Tiamut sticking out of it. Earth may never had been seeded by Celestials and that would mean the Eternals never came to Earth. The events of that film never happened. Same with Secret Invasion, the Skrulls planning an invasion on human society or Nick Fury being married to one may never have happened. Maria Hill may never have been killed and still works with Nick Fury. Rhodey & others were never taken. The Skrulls could be adapted differently than what has been presented in the Captain Marvel franchise. To Kevin Feige, the Eternals could be reintroduced in the far future and the Skrulls could be retweaked as well as Captain Marvel's history in the MCU. Secret Wars is a way to reshape everything hopefully for the better.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 8/16/2025, 1:08 PM
@String - Why do we even need Doomsday and Secret Wars to clear things up ? Just do what Gunn did and start over; you don't need to explain it. A rebooted MCU with The Avengers, Fantastic 4, X-Men, and Spider-Man present from the very start is what we should've gotten following Endgame.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 8/16/2025, 1:08 PM
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99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 8/16/2025, 1:10 PM
They kinda teased the possibility in the trailers. But I wonder if it would've made more sense, for Galactus to have just destroyed/devoured whatever Earth the Fantastic Four were on. With them narrowly escaping, and fleeing to an alternate Earth.
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