RUMOR: Story Details For Jeff Loveness' Take On AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY And Eventual MCU Reboot Revealed

RUMOR: Story Details For Jeff Loveness' Take On AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY And Eventual MCU Reboot Revealed

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania writer Jeff Loveness is no longer writing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, but we have new details on what his version of the story looked like along with plans for a reboot...

By JoshWilding - Jan 23, 2024 10:01 AM EST

Rumours that Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania writer Jeff Loveness had been fired from his role as Avengers: The Kang Dynasty's writer first started doing the rounds last year. 

The decision appeared to be made in response to the Ant-Man threequel, a movie Marvel Studios believed it had got right. Now, Avengers: Secret Wars scribe Michael Waldron (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) will write that and whatever The Kang Dynasty ends up being called (internally, it's been referred to as Avengers 5 since Jonathan Majors was fired as Kang).

Scooper Daniel Richtman has shared new details on Loveness' firing, confirming it was down to the response to his Ant-Man movie and not because Marvel Studios is moving away from Kang. 

It's said that his version of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty had the majority of the Multiverse Saga's leads (minus Thor, for some reason) battling Kang's Variants on Earth. Despite that villain's presence, the story was supposedly largely grounded and light on full-blown Multiversal elements. 

Waldron's vision is thought to be similar but puts a greater emphasis on the Multiverse before giving alternate reality heroes a much larger role in Avengers: Secret Wars.

As for the search for a new Kang actor, it's underway, but any sort of decision is likely months off. 

We've already told you of plans to eventually reboot the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and Ritchmain has learned it will only be a soft reboot with many of the franchise's newer heroes sticking around on a different Earth that's also home to both mutants and the Fantastic Four. Perhaps most intriguing is the mention that What If...?'s Kahhori is being lined up for a live-action debut!

Talking last year, MCU and Loki executive producer Kevin Wright weighed in on whether changes made to the next Avengers movies had any sort of impact on the show's second season. He also confirmed plans for Waldron to write both of those upcoming blockbusters. 

"No, nothing affected our finale," he confirmed. "I think I said elsewhere earlier when the show was first coming out, the story that is on screen is the one that we set out to make remarkably so no one was coming down telling us we had to connect or set up anything for the future. It was sort of finish our story that we started."

"As far as where it's all going, I can't say and not because I am being coy, we're not a part of those projects," Wright said in regards to the next Avengers movies. "What I would say is, I mean, I know Michael Waldron is working on them and he loves obviously this world as he helped create it."

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty is currently scheduled to arrive in theaters on May 1, 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars set to follow on May 7, 2027.

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Spoken
Spoken - 1/23/2024, 10:12 AM
Ritchmain has learned it will only be a soft reboot with many of the franchise's newer heroes sticking around on a different Earth that's also home to both mutants and the Fantastic Four."

So there is no "mutants" in the MCU or was that a random throwaway line in Ms Marvel to start controversy?
SATW42
SATW42 - 1/23/2024, 10:16 AM
@Spoken - I mean, she can still be the first "mutant" of the MCU and then be thrown into a world where that's not really all that special.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 1/23/2024, 10:30 AM
@Spoken - Namor is a mutant as well. There may be people on Earth 616 that have a mutant gene but do not know about it.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/23/2024, 11:18 AM
@Spoken - Well, already had maybe an MCU mutants in films, Ms Marvel less clear if an actual mutant or other form of mutation/mutate (plus any in shows like She-Hulk) so think there can/will be more. Always easy to do they were there in the shadows stuff however a form of merged worlds makes fast tracking the intro of mutants on a bigger scale easier.

There having been maybe dozens of previously unseen mutants around the globe in the MCU without anyone having been aware of them is one thing, suddenly having potentialy hundreds including a school full of them is another.

If true, by having a new Earth prime they can keep any from the previously not on the same timeline characters with the same actors they want for the new universe such as DP, but also recast others such as Wolverine, and use characters previously killed off in whatever franchise (such as all the wasted mutants from the Fox films).

Also a perfect way to fix and workaround any potential or already present continuity issues such as if they want to bring Iron Fist back from the Netflix show in general terms without starting from scratch whilst back to Danny being the Iron Fist instead of using glowing guns. That and they, if they want, can have a second/third crack starting from scratch with Inhumans down the line if they want.

Likely a fair amount of specifics still in flux however and enough to say that having the prime timeline soft rebooted, merged with others or a new one created without throwing out all that has gone before with remaining characters histories is where this seemed to be heading for a while. That and once done all chess pieces, bar possibly some held by Sony, will be back to being possible to appear regardless if previously killed or messed up with recast where needed/appropriate.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/23/2024, 11:48 AM
@Spoken - there is. You shouldn't believe a guy that charges people for supposed inside info
hainesy
hainesy - 1/23/2024, 11:52 AM
@SonOfAGif - It kind of highlights the whole problem with the mutant thing. How would your average person know the difference between someone with mutant powers and someone with acquired powers? MCU Avengers have super powers and are celebrated. So why would people be all up in arms about the X-Men or any other mutants? Or anyone else with natural powers?
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 1/23/2024, 1:23 PM
@hainesy - That's why I have always said the X-Men work best existing in their own planet or universe that discriminates against enhanced individuals but the X-Men take on a higher moral message and fight for everyone. This is why it works if the X-Men crossover with the MCU and don't understand how the heroes are celebrated and not targeted.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/23/2024, 2:07 PM
@hainesy - I don't disagree but there is crossover cos Avengers are not always universaly celebrated, no supes always are and will have periods of being percieved as a dangerous threat over and above hero hence Sokovia accords type storylines.

From a social science POV thing
The main distinction as a PR concept is mutants are more a minority mutation that can be percieved as a potential threat in school playgrounds, can be anywhere, can look scary, may not be capable of controling their dangerous abilities and could be 'infecting' your own family (ie dormant gene parents unexpectedly giving birth to one) and are not universaly good.

However a group like Avengers will typicaly be percieved as all adults who attained powers and use them for the benefit of all mankind, or some of the select GOOD mutants who proved themselves to be good, less grey area and less likely to impact your family directly.

As analogy to everyday life ism's... a racist will oft still hold a top athlete/public figure from the race they have a bias against in high esteem as an exception that proves the rule that the given race are inferior and/or causing their own issues in regard to poverty and crime cos if those few can achieve those great things then... So the minority group as a whole who parts of society may have an issue with during a given era (such as black people during the 60's say) are the mutants, the Avengers are percieved as seperate and/or exceptions (so your Muhammad Ali types during that era).

As it is the comics kinda setup the idea with Celestial creating humans from protohumans that mutants, inhumans, mutates etc are all results of the same source genetic mutation stuff just some 'evolved' naturaly, some were engineered and some require a trigger to unlock their powers but all variations on a Xgene type thing in a small % of humans put there by Celestials eons ago.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/23/2024, 2:35 PM
"Scooper Daniel Richtman has shared new details on Loveness' firing, confirming it was down to the response to his Ant-Man movie and not because Marvel Studios is moving away from Kang. " WOW NO DUH because there wasn't an issue back then! Ffs why even post this
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/23/2024, 2:36 PM
He lost his job because he wrote a terrible movie
MadThanos
MadThanos - 1/23/2024, 10:13 AM
Mark my words, both Avengers movies will underperform despite a a huge success with Deadpool 3 and Kevin Feige will get fired.
Spoken
Spoken - 1/23/2024, 10:16 AM
@MadThanos - It's going to be worded as "retirement" I bet.
SATW42
SATW42 - 1/23/2024, 10:17 AM
@MadThanos - Words marked. see you in a few years.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/23/2024, 10:25 AM
@MadThanos - Depends who the line up is, if you have returning popular heroes then it might be OK but if you make a team of Avengers up from unpopular heroes the new ones introduced in phases 4 and 5 then don't expect much interest.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/23/2024, 10:39 AM
@SATW42 - Screen shot it and save it and set and email reminder.
MadThanos
MadThanos - 1/23/2024, 10:44 AM
@marvel72 - yeah, I agree with that.

But that Kahori rumor... it's weird how he likes to spend his creative resources on something that no one wants.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/23/2024, 10:56 AM
@MadThanos - DP3 isnt even sure yet to be a success
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/23/2024, 11:27 AM
@MadThanos - If we went with the seeming majority of opinions on this site that anything and everything MCU will loose money it only would need to break even to overperform so depends where you are planting the goalposts :D These days we are currently back to anything passing a billion being rare with overall BO still way down even with good and/or nonCBM films and to some degree unpredictable and too far away to realy predict where the industry in general will be in a few years let alone CBM or MCU specific.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/23/2024, 12:31 PM
@vectorsigma - If Deadpool 3 turns out being a failure, it's dark days for the MCU.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/23/2024, 1:21 PM
@MadThanos - not sure about that. Even though age of ultron and civil war did less than avengers 1 it didnt underperform. both films making 1 to 1.1 billion each will still be a hit similar to star wars 9 still being a hit at 1.09 bil
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/23/2024, 1:23 PM
@vectorsigma - it pretty much already is similar to spiderman no way home, the hype is too big. movie is not making less than 1 billion.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/23/2024, 7:01 PM
@mastakilla39 - the conditions from nwh are different imo. That movie came out just right when the pandemic ended and superhero fatigue was still not apparent. And the movie going habits of people have completely changed since then with streaming becoming a problem
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/23/2024, 7:03 PM
@marvel72 - i at least want a decent movie and not just some fanboy bait which is now a recent trend for marvel products
JDL
JDL - 1/23/2024, 9:20 PM
@mastakilla39 - While I agree they are not going to do 2018/19 levels of B.O. I would think they should do soemthing near an Ultron level if the cast is good and the writing is decent. But those are two big ifs.

One other thing; they need to enter on the heels of at least a couple of well received solo shots so that the public's mood is positive.

Also as far as CA:CW goes remember that anything with Captain America in the title does 20% + less overseas business because of the name. I wouldn't use it in this sort of discussion.
sully
sully - 1/25/2024, 4:47 AM
@MadThanos - Most of Marvel Studios' revenue will be because it'll be carried by Deadpool 3, Fantastic Four and X-Men. All franchises MCU fans have been waiting for a decade now.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/23/2024, 10:21 AM
"...it will only be a soft reboot with many of the franchise's newer heroes sticking around on a different Earth that's also home to both mutants and the Fantastic Four."

This seems like it might be incorrect given they have already introduced two mutants in the MCU on the current iteration of earth.
Fogs
Fogs - 1/23/2024, 11:21 AM
@Forthas - I have the impression they'll come up with some reasons for the mutant gene existing but not manifesting unless forced (like the mind Stone with Wanda and Pietro, or the bangle with Kamala)
Forthas
Forthas - 1/23/2024, 12:06 PM
@Fogs - While they have not explicitly established Wanda and Pietro as mutants...they have done so for Kamala and Namor. So that is two people that have been dubbed mutants that already exist.
Fogs
Fogs - 1/23/2024, 12:56 PM
@Forthas - I see what you mean. But I think they'll come up with something like that for the current MCU timeline, if ever.
tRuckRogers46A
tRuckRogers46A - 1/23/2024, 2:54 PM
@Forthas - Kamala was not called a mutant. Her buddy noted that she had a 'mutation'.
Namor was described as a 'mutant' due to his mixed parentage.

No one has been explicitly outed as a Mutant in the MCU.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/23/2024, 4:43 PM
@tRuckRogers46A - Were a bunch of them in She-Hulk too but until the Xmen and co fully arrive not entirely surprising a word that could refer to for instance someone with Down Syndrome is not being explicitly used to clump characters together as a race called Mutants when they are all cropping up in isolated pockets, not all related and/or living together in one place or special institute.
JDL
JDL - 1/23/2024, 10:10 PM
@Forthas - It should also be noted that a mutation need not be from the X-Gene. That would differentiate it from the X-Men assuming the X-men continue with that particular bit of pseudo-science.
Origame
Origame - 1/23/2024, 10:22 AM
Yes, keep the sh!t from phases 4 and 5 no one cares about but retcon out the good sh!t that got us interested in the mcu in the first place 🙄

Also, a live action kahhori just puts more emphasis on why that character shouldn't have been in what if to begin with.
mountainman
mountainman - 1/23/2024, 10:39 AM
@Origame - If they wanted Native American heroes, they have some of the best ones in all of Marvel comics that can come in when the mutants are introduced. Dani Moonstar >>>>>> Kahori.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/23/2024, 10:42 AM
@mountainman -

Red Wolf
Thunderbird
Warpath
Shaman (Alpha Flight)
Talisman (Alpha Flight)
mountainman
mountainman - 1/23/2024, 10:45 AM
@marvel72 - Oh yeah I just listed my favorite one.

Also Forge and Black Crow.
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