JOKER Sequel Officially In The Works As Todd Phillips Plans More DC Villain Origin Movies

JOKER Sequel Officially In The Works As Todd Phillips Plans More DC Villain Origin Movies

We all figured an announcement was imminent after the first film passed the $1 billion mark at the worldwide box office, and now it's official: Todd Phillips will return to direct a sequel to Joker...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 20, 2019 06:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Joker recently laughed its way past $1 billion at the global box office, making it the first ever R-rated film to achieve this milestone, and now that inevitable sequel has been announced. 

According to THR, director Todd Phillips is likely to re-team with star Joaquin Phoenix for a direct follow-up to the controversial film, which would presumably continue Arthur Fleck's journey towards becoming the iconic Clown Prince of Crime.

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That's not all, though! The filmmaker reportedly asked WB brass for the rights to develop a portfolio of DC characters' origin stories, and while he didn't get that, he is said to have left the meeting "with the rights to at least one other DC story." We have no idea which character(s) that could be, but there's a lot of trade chatter that it's another villain, with Lex Luthor's name popping up in a couple of reports.

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Young Bruce Wayne

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We'll start with the most obvious one: The Joker actually meets the future Batman in this movie.

As many rightly guessed, that young boy Arthur Fleck is forcing a smile onto in the trailers is indeed Bruce Wayne. Arthur makes his way to Wayne manner after discovering that Thomas Wayne is his real father, and shows the lad a few magic tricks through the gate. Bruce is unimpressed.

Their interaction is brief, but there is definitely a bit of weight and emphasis placed on the scene. Granted, part of that is down to Arthur believing he's meeting his half brother at the time.

A Different Joker

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There is a theory doing the rounds that Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck could simply be the inspiration for the actual Joker, and he'll be the one to face off against The Batman in the future.

It sounds like a stretch, but this movie does actually leave some room for it.

Fleck's actions inspire an uprising in Gotham, with hundreds of citizens rioting throughout the city wearing clown masks. Isn't it possible that one of these people could take up the mantle of Joker a decade or so later, around the same time Bruce Wayne is beginning to feel a little batty?

The Murder Of Thomas And Martha Wayne

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Joker leans into Batman mythology heaviest right at the end, when we're presented with a very faithful depiction of the murders of Bruce Wayne's parents.

A thug inspired by Arthur's execution of Murray Franklin live on TV and his assertion that people like Thomas Wayne are to blame for the degradation of the city follows the Waynes into an alley after a screening of Zorro. As he opens fire, he echoes Fleck's "you get what you deserve" from the Franklin killing.

Of course, we're supposed to assume this will eventually bring Bruce to the conclusion that Joker was at least partially responsible for his parents' deaths.

The Ending

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The ambiguous ending, or more accurately, epilogue, of Joker is wide open to interpretation, and leaves plenty of room for Warner Bros. to fold the events of Philips' film into a shared universe.

After Arthur leaves Gotham in flames and fully embraces the Joker persona, we cut to him chuckling during a therapy session in Arkham. Is he recounting his story to his therapist, or imagining the whole thing? We know Fleck is an unreliable narrator and made up an entire relationship in his head, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

This gives the studio leeway to basically pick and choose what they want to establish as real, and what we are to believe were the delusions of a damaged mind.

That Final Shot Of Bruce

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Perhaps most telling is that quick glimpse of Bruce Wayne standing among the bodies of his slain parents.

Arthur never witnessed this event, so why is it burned into his mind? It's possible that he heard about it after, but either way, this still feels like a major bit of foreshadowing, and not something Reeves or the studio would have added to the film at such a specific moment for no reason.

There were probably a few more Easter Eggs and references, but I've only seen the movie once and these are the major ones I picked up on. Did you spot any more? Let us know in the comments down below.
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nova480s
nova480s - 11/20/2019, 6:31 AM
goddamn it..
Unites
Unites - 11/20/2019, 8:37 AM
@nova480s - His releationship with Harley Quinn could be interesting to explore in a 'characterstudy'. Since it's implied that he killed his therapist at the end of the mocie, it could lead directly to Quinn showing up as a young and naive trainee or something.
Antagonist
Antagonist - 11/20/2019, 6:33 AM
WHAT?
Tcb97
Tcb97 - 11/20/2019, 6:33 AM
I mean, I kinda do wanna see more of Phoenix Joker, but at the same time, what more can they do without the inclusion of Batman? I'm more interested in similar type of origin story for someone like Lex Luthor, Mr. Freeze or Harvey Dent.
imnotadoor
imnotadoor - 11/20/2019, 6:33 AM
make it about the for profit prison system this time !
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 6:37 AM
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 11/20/2019, 6:39 AM
@BlackBeltJones -none what's so ever .... it did enough leaving things ambiguous to working on other villains origins if that's the case


Hey Philips just go for Lex next then he has a awesome rich history
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 6:40 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - he may inadvertently hurt the first film with this one
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 11/20/2019, 6:52 AM
@BlackBeltJones - he definitely will , if they go thru with it imo .... that was a lovely stand alone and should be left as that .
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 11/20/2019, 6:37 AM
"JOKER Sequel Officially In The Works"
Oh noo
"As Todd Phillips Plans More DC Villain Origin Movies"
OHH F*CK NOOO

Chances of Phoenix's Joker being integrated in some capacity with Battinson just got bigger.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/20/2019, 6:44 AM
@Spidey91 -
This was exactly what I was afraid stupid WB was going to do. You would think that they would learn to tell more higher brow creator-driven DC standalone movies, but nope.

Instead they completely missed the point of why Joker was a success, and are turning DC Black into a bunch of pointless villain movies. It's a bloody waste...
MarvelDCAllDay
MarvelDCAllDay - 11/20/2019, 7:05 AM
@Darkknight2149 - Wasn’t that going to be the point of DC Black anyways?
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/20/2019, 7:18 AM
@MarvelDCAllDay -
No, the point was to tell more creator-driven standalone stories that innovate from the traditional comic book movie formula. That's what most people want anyway.

Instead, WB is trying to push villain origins as their new gimmick and I guarantee you it's going to burn out as fast as the DCEU did.

There are so many things they could have done with these standalones. Kingdom Come, Superman: Red Son, Superman: Secret Identity, an R-rated Hellblazer horror movie, a gothic arthouse Swamp Thing movie, a gritty low budget The Question movie, ETC. The possibilities are endless.

But WB is so damn reactionary and they only know how to copy other shit. First they tried to copy Nolan for their direction with the DCEU. Then they tried to copy Marvel. Now they're copying what Todd Phillips did with Joker. This DC Origins thing isn't going to last.
KWilly
KWilly - 11/20/2019, 6:38 AM
Todd: “Guys I’m serious. I only plan to do one Joker movie, because it’s a self contained, standalone story.”

WB: “That’s cool.”

*Joker hits a billion*

WB: “Change of plans, Toddy boi..."

DeadWade213
DeadWade213 - 11/20/2019, 6:39 AM
Well now you do the Godfather but it's the Joker. Show his rise to power. Maybe the film takes place years later and Bruce is a young Batman. Maybe it's a prequel to Battison's movie.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 6:40 AM
Was hoping Phillips would stick to the standalone principle




It’s like one of Scorsese’s standalone classics getting a sequel.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/20/2019, 6:40 AM
Jesus Christ, they're doing exactly what everyone was afraid they were going to do and only making these standalones a bunch of villain origin movies. What a [frick]ing waste of potential.

Now watch it crash and burn as they learn all the wrong lessons from Joker.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 11/20/2019, 6:43 AM
Phillips did say he would only do a Joker sequel if they felt they had a story interesting enough to warrant it. Phoenix said the same thing, if both are coming back then count me intrigued. Loved Joker so I'm hoping for something on the same level.



As for the rest of it? A bunch of other Comic villain origin movies? Yeah no, wrong lesson there guys. We don't need that shit.

DeadWade213
DeadWade213 - 11/20/2019, 6:46 AM
@Mrcool210 - So you telling me that you don't want a Polka-dot man movie?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 6:46 AM
The Joker is about to get a sequel and maybe even a franchise

And then there is Superman...
JohnMarston220
JohnMarston220 - 11/20/2019, 7:06 AM
@BlackBeltJones - lol so true. I find it very strange that we have a stand alone Joker and Harly Quinn movie before Flash....
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 11/20/2019, 7:39 AM
@BlackBeltJones - The most epic film scream. We'll always have Superman '78.*sigh*
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 11/20/2019, 6:46 AM
"My movie has a very raw and real anticapitist message, let me show you how commited I am to that message by making more of these so you can give me more money" 🤔

And just like that whatever good will they got from this crumbles under the weight of their own greed.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/20/2019, 6:47 AM
What a cash grab. I haven’t seen Joker, just like I haven’t seen Venom. I don’t support garbage. I haven’t watched Venom on TV either, and I’ll NEVER watch Joker .. it hits a 1B and all of a sudden sequels and more stand alone movies?!

What a dumpster fire.

Smh
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 11/20/2019, 6:52 AM
@MuadDib - "I don’t support garbage. I’ll NEVER watch Joker"

Why not watch Joker? General consensus is that it's good, how would you know it's garbage if you haven't seen it?
JonesTheCat
JonesTheCat - 11/20/2019, 6:55 AM
@MuadDib - Joker is one of the thinnest weakest movies, the positive reaction around it is basically what happened with Bohemian Rhapsody
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