The BLUE BEETLE Cast And Director Discuss A Major [SPOILER] Ahead Of Film's Release

@TheHumanSpider2 -
I don't have much sympathy for the film or studio honestly. The director, Angel Manuel Soto, mocked fans for liking characters like Batman and how the movie is according to him 'going to make fun of other superheroes' such as the line calling Batman a fascist - which isn't accurate to how Batman has been characterized. Actively laughing at users for mentioning that's not how Batman is.

It was then revealed the director was a racist, calling somewhere a 'slave country'. Then some other tweets were revealed where he expressed extremist viewpoints such as wanting Donald Trump to be assassinated, comparing him to Abraham Lincoln for some weird reason. With people uncovering more and more horrific remarks from him he privated his twitter.

He destroyed any level of support he could have had by directly attacking the DC audience, alienating a lot of his political audience and then grovelling back after telling them not to watch his movie.

TLDR:
Dumb director laughed at fans, insulted the audience, gets revealed to be an extremist and a racist and promptly begs to be forgiven when he realizes his movie's going to be a box office bomb.

@jst5 - Insulting people? Really? Not appropriate.

@Scarilian - If by "mocking" you mean that his response in the form of a Skeletor gif to a YouTuber who took way too personally that line then you're just reaching. Especially when said user was saying this kind of thing about that joke:

“At the end, the Batman is fascist. This is pandering to these stupid f***ing 20 year-old free profile picture she/them don’t know what your f***ing gender is, don’t buy comics, don’t have money to go to movies. That’s who that f***ing s**t is pandering to.‘Batman is a fascist.’ F*** off with that. That’s so stupid,” he declared.

Sounds like the daily cringe bigot we see all the time.







These are all from April, you make it sound like it was from this month. And this is what he said about that line in an actual recent interview: “We always wanted to have fun with the way Rudy talks about other superheroes.” He continued, “So to the people who got mad at it, give us a chance. We’re just trying to have fun with the characters that we love. And everybody in our movie loves Batman and Superman and Flash.”

“And of course, we have criticisms about all of them, as we all should,” Soto added. “But that doesn’t mean that we hate Batman. We love Batman.”

And the tweets are from August 2018, 5 years ago.

The way that you paraphrased all of this sounded a lot to how an article from that fansite of bigots called Bounding Into Comics publish.

@NinnesMBC -
I kinda agree, "they can [frick] off with that". Saying an inspirational hero is a Nazi is not funny, it's just pathetic and targeted entirely at a demographic (below 20) that does not understand the meaning of the word Fascist and will just laugh because they don't understand it. In the 2010's everyone was labelled a Fascist/Nazi for everything so they've grown up thinking it can be applied to anyone and anything so its lost meaning.

Fascist has a meaning and definition that is important to remember to prevent the rising of similar fascist groups in future, to demean its usage allows for these groups to rise because nobody will take the term seriously when everyone is casually labeling people who disagree with them as Nazi's and Fascists using the terms incorrectly.

Phrasing of that Youtuber's remark is a mess, but the general sentiment is accurate to the core feelings and problem of this sort of terminology being misused. It's appealing entirely to a demographic who won't have any interest in this film, who won't support it financially and who will use it in their anti-capitalism posts on Twitter without understanding anything about who Batman is.

The director either intended to get this sort of response or he was so out of touch with the real world that he thought calling a hero a Nazi was a good ending point to a trailer. People discuss the endpoints of trailers heavily, of-course it was going to get a reaction. Most likely this is another case of controversy farming, have two groups fight it out over an aspect in your movie in order to drum up algorithms mentioning your movie when your marketing budget is low or non-existant.

"And the tweets are from August 2018, 5 years ago."

You've not shared any of his tweets vouching for assassination, labeling places as slave countries or his desire for a civil war.People can change, but why should we view it as that when they were clearly not intended as a joke back then.

The weight of anger and frustration behind his remarks come from his tweets supporting the ideology that it's not a joke, it's a belief system that has infected the film because he wants to push that ideology.

"in an actual recent interview"

The fact he's had to post a more recent retraction to his remarks in an interview after seeing a similar backlash to the Indiana Jones DoD trailer's 'capitalism' remarks emphasizes that he's only caring now because he's concerned over the movies box office.

Saying "Batman is a fascist" or 'Batman is a Nazi' which is the meaning of the remark, does not come across as funny to the audience when every piece of media lately has been tearing apart heroes and iconic characters. Luke Skywalker as incompetent and willing to murder his own kid. Indiana Jones begging for death because he's old, in pain and hates being in present day.

I'm sure someone will watch Blue Beetle to verify, but realistically what sort of person would market a movie they need to sell to DC fans based on the idea of insulting Batman - the most profitable property that Warner Bros/DC own. The last time DC did was the edgy '[frick] Batman' remarks for the Teen Titans 2018 trailer that ended up losing it a portion of its audience immediately as it was viewed as childish and smooth brain tier writing.

@Kadara - Exactly. The same close-minded group from the last 7 years.

@NinnesMBC - Ahh I see, fortunately I don't come across often 😂

@Kadara - IN AMERICA, various different fake 'racial categories' are given free reign to be as racist as they choose to.

You can see this in how black communities talk about Whites, Jews, Asians. If anyone in the world talked about 'black' people the same way, they would be crucified.


If you go to google right now and type in "Tyler the Creator Asian Slurs"
You know what pops up?

A bunch of articles about Billie Eilish, A WHITE GIRL, singing along to his lyrics years ago.
Everyone is beating up on her. For singing so called 'racist' lyrics that this so called 'black man' wrote in his own song.
No outrage about the song. Just about the "White Girl" mouthing along with the lyrics.

If that doesn't tell you how dysfunctional America is about race, I don't know what to tell you.
If you're 'black' or 'brown' you get a FREE PASS on so much racist bullshit.

Because 'black' and 'brown' communities are being straight up CODDLED.
LIKE BABIES. Acting like it's impossible to tell the truth to them.
Someone needs to end this fake entitlement crap.
It's not OKAY for them to be racist. Don't give a [frick] about the shade of their skin.
It's SIMPLY RACIST.

@NinnesMBC - Bigot or not, I think it's possible it's irrelevant (if they are, which they may not be, as far as I know), the person's taking a fictional character being called a fascist too personally.

@NinnesMBC - Closed minded groups are the norm on both sides, aren't they?

@dagenspear -
By association the director, through the choice of labeling the fictional character a fascist, is labeling the fanbase of that character as fascists. It's intentionally a way to divide people because the director is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction, as stated by both the director and the actor playing Blue Beetle.

If your favourite character is Batman and you tell that to someone who has seen this trailer, they are going to think your favorite character is a fascist/Nazi. The director has actively damaged the core branding of Batman, has damaged the audiences ability to talk about Batman.

If the Blue Beetle film was a popular movie rather than a box office bomb then it could have long lasting impact on the Batman branding. Luckily this garbage will be dead on arrival like Flash and will hopefully be forgotten.

@GhostDog - probably should’ve let it out out on HBO Max like originally planned

@DocSpock - the suit looks exactly how its looked in the comics since its introduction. Long before the Antman movie.

And outside of having stinger / pincer things on the back they look nothing alike

@PapaBear562 - also its one line from george lopez of all people

You are really taking it more seriously than the movie probably intends for it to be

@dracula - yeah but how else can they be outraged over something

@dracula - I don't think I've ever, once, heard Batman called a fascist in a movie.

@dagenspear -
"if people take Batman being called a fascist so seriously?"

Fascist is used fairly interchangeably with Nazi nowadays. The Nazi's had a fascist government. Are you perfectly fine with your hero, who may have inspired you, being labelled a Nazi and that intended to be taken seriously.

Terminology is important. Media is how most people gain understanding of these different terms.

Indiana Jones implying capitalism is just stealing from other people is a notion used by communists to gather support against capitalists so they can insert themselves. This is, admittedly, hammered home in the movie as Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character is just exploiting the situation for her own personal gain while insulting capitalism in the process.

In the case of the term fascist, none of the definition applies to Batman. He's not authoritarian, totalitarian, elitist or viewing his race as superior to anyone else. He specifically is spending his nights fighting for the average citizen while using his days putting money and time into helping Gotham.

In terms of Batman, there's been a growing push to try and depict heroes with finances as being inherently evil because they have finances. The idea that being wealthy is inherently evil is a core component of communist beliefs, the notion that dividing up the wealth is the only solution - always being a case where someone else takes charge, finances and power through force because you've weakened the defenders of the society.

We have this stated directly in Flash when Batman ends up just trash talking himself solidly while with the Lasso of Truth, speaking about how his ego is why he became Batman and that he should "just give all his money away" and that would magically solve everything.

Furthering this communist approach, we now have the next step. We've already had the idea of capitalism labelled as evil, then we've had a hero in a financially well off position implied that giving away all his wealth is a solution, now we have the idea that he's a Nazi just using the interchangeable term of Fascist.

TLDR:
Tired of communism being treated as funny in a reality where communism is tied with capitalist accelerationism as the greatest threat of the 2020-2050's.

"taking issue with the person insulting people, while also insulting them suggesting it's because they think a fictional character is a fascist."

I'm not insulting him because he's ignorantly trying to label Batman as a fascist. I'm labeling him as what he is.

• I'm labeling him racist because he called somewhere a slave country because of a primarily non-white demographic which he viewed as inferior to Hispanics

• I'm labeling him extremist because he was advocating for assassination of Donald Trump along with also advocating for a civil war

• I'm calling him vile because it is appropriate given he's both a racist and extremist

• I'm calling his views communist, because that's what his views are at their core. The idea of just violently overthrowing the leading power and then redistributing wealth to what he views as slave countries

@PapaBear562 - And why does calling Batman a fascist change anything about the movie or the trailer?