5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 2nd Complaint!

5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 2nd Complaint!

Comic book fans are passionate people with extremely strong opinions. They give these opinions, whether studios and production houses like it or not. Read on for the 2nd of five articles exploring the most common complaints fans make about comic book movies.

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By efcamachopmp - Sep 02, 2013 12:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics
Source: The Internets (Various)



This is the next article in the 5 part series, “5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans” The 1st Complaint can be found HERE

The Movie Is Not True To The Comics!

The Usual Statements

“That’s not the origin!”
“This is not the core group”
“The powers are all wrong”
“There is no way this character would be killed by ____________”
“Why are all of these people getting killed!? They’re part of the comics’ continuity!”
"What the Frak, Jean killed Cyclops? Now Xavier, what is happening!"

What? Why? Who The F*** Cares!?

One of the most commonly argued topics, is the issue of basing a film on a comic, for a director, writer, producer, or a studio to apply their own creative license to change it around. The basic underlying argument, “What’s the point in basing it on a comic book if the studio is just going to end up changing around the essence of what connects it to that book?” On a variety of levels, I completely agree with this, but I’m pragmatic, and a realist. Comic books are not set; at least most of them are not, in the real world. There are two prevailing arguments on this subject.

The first argument states that a comic book film should be a pure escapist event, for the sake of immersing yourself in the experience of the fantasy and grandeur of the story. A subject that is sorely debated among the purist of Batman and Superman fans, debated among Marvel fans as well; but most notably, and passionately, among the DC contemporaries as mentioned above. This is understandable. Why try to route something in realism that should be about whimsy, about fantastical concepts, about characters that are bigger than life? Because the realism eliminates much of the unbelievable wonder, the ideology, and grandeur of the story.

The second argument stems heavily from studios and their contemporaries in terms of taking a comic book story and bringing it to life in a way that will relate to the largest audience possible. This means taking creative license to alter origins, powers, appearances, continuities, and the players involved; to connect the story to a real world. Most of the time the connections are also made to bring the grandeur of the story down to earth and ultimately relate the danger to everyone watching the film. The word “relate” is among the most commonly utilized, more so than “realistic”.

A Few Films that were not true to the comics (that you ended up loving anyway)

X-Men First Class
Batman
Batman Returns
Nolan Batman Trilogy
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

How it all turned out. Well, not all of it.

Depending on the comic, the connection the fans have to that comic, how long they've been connected to that comic, and what it means to them personally. It can become a frustrating situation for these fans. Let’s take that aspect for a moment, “What it means to them personally.” Some fans use comics to escape the real world due to whatever issues they suffer in that real world. Escaping into their comics and surrounding themselves with these characters can have impacts in their lives. Effect who they become as they grow up, and even shape their morality, and their personality. Even if the escape is not born from wanting to get away from the real world, a strong connection can still be made.

Most comic book fans may despise what they see on the screen, sometimes, because of an unrealistic expectation. The expectation based on a studio promising some form of connection to the source material, which ends up not connecting in the way said fans expected in their minds. Sometimes it’s like a form of selective hearing, or filtering, where essentially the comic is connected to the film, but is its own entry into that universe, and not what you read or heard was going to be done.

I used X-Men Last Stand in the image header; because it was one of those films where the studio decided to (pretty much) kill many beloved characters; making its ultimate point of sacrifice by the main character in their trilogy, Wolverine. I at first went crazy with this, feeling the studio totally ignored the comic book fans all together and did the unthinkable. But then I came to the realization, “characters die, and come back, all the time in comics.” Perhaps we’d see them again in the future. The fact that it was the last film in a trilogy is what possibly outraged most fans.

X-Men Last Stand, to continue my example, did have a ton of issues as a film, regardless of it being a comic book movie. Yet, in the end, it wasn't so bad that I’d swear off Marvels comics, or any other film by Fox. I can almost feel (now) the retcon incoming with X-Men Days of Future Past approaching the big screen, and I hope much of what I felt was wrong with X3; Killing Xavier, Cyclops, Jean Grey, and the varied other mutants as cannon fodder will be corrected. But this is literally my point, that’s my expectation, not what may actually happen; so I shouldn't hold my breath. I will just have to wait for the film, and go enjoy it. Whether I'll enjoy it as a comic book film, or just as a popcorn film, is something that only my sensibilities can do for me, not the community at large.

Most of us end up watching the movies, even if we complain about them, and while a lot of complaints are under the protective “warm blanket” that “We buy tickets, we have the right to complain!” Most comic fans forget that the reason most comic book studios are still alive today, financially, are because of the licensing agreements they made with studios to get their properties brought to the big screen. Eventually doing well enough financially to perpetuate the very source of the thing we love, creating comics.

Were you among those that hated a film that you felt strayed too far from the comics? Were you among those to be vocal, are still being vocal? Every day this week a new common complaint fans make will be posted.

Comment, tweet, share, bitch, moan, praise, adore, flame, complain about a typo, or add to the conversation however you please. You’re comic book fans, it’s your right! @emanuelfcamacho

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Bearjew
Bearjew - 9/2/2013, 12:26 AM
True that. Give the directors and writers artistic license I've seen plenty of movies that stayed true to the comics and I hated them for it because it didn't translate well to a cinematic format. Examples include: Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Hulk (the origin, not the villain).
AmazingFantasy
AmazingFantasy - 9/2/2013, 12:27 AM
preach
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/2/2013, 12:29 AM
I love these articles. I do enjoy reading them.
BlindJustice
BlindJustice - 9/2/2013, 12:43 AM
I really wish 'Watchmen', which was the closest to the source that any comic book movie has ever been, had done better at the box office. Now studios will just use it as an example as how NOT to make a comic book film.
SugarYumYum
SugarYumYum - 9/2/2013, 12:44 AM
I should write an article complaining about other people writing articles to complain about other people's complaints.
LordHuck
LordHuck - 9/2/2013, 12:45 AM
I hate how Fox continues to make substandard superhero movies. I hate even more how just enough people go to see them so that Fox can continue to gimp, limp along on the modest profits.

All we have to do is Boycott 2 or 3 Fox comic book movies so they take a loss and then Marvel can get the rights back.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 9/2/2013, 12:49 AM
I tend to find that the people that use this against the movie the most are people that've never touched a comic in their life.

You get people all the time who go "TASM > Original Trilogy because it was closer to the comics". Just as an example. Not targeting Spidey in general, people do it for everything. And these people have obviously never read anything Spider-Man and are just spouting that out to sound like they're bigger comic-book fans than they are. Rather than discuss the actual merits of the filmmaking, they make a generic, blanket statement in order to sound like purists.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 9/2/2013, 12:51 AM
Also I hated Watchmen for being a direct copy/paste job of the comic. Framing, dialogue, colouring. The whole thing.

Take away a Source Material to completely rip off and Hack Snyder shows you how much of a "visionary" he truly is.
BlindJustice
BlindJustice - 9/2/2013, 1:02 AM
@FrancisHates - My thoughts exactly.

@IronSpider101 - I believe you are the first comic book fan I've ever seen comment on hating how Watchmen copied the comic/graphic novel. You're welcome to your opinion, but sheesh. You must be an X-Men 3 fan.
nikgrid
nikgrid - 9/2/2013, 1:11 AM
The Amazing Spider-Man was a fine film, if you look at it this way...

Raimi Spider-man : '60s Spider-man
Amazing Spider-man: Ultimate Spider-man.

They are both excellent (Except SM3 that sucks)
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/2/2013, 1:16 AM
@IronSpider101, You do know that the Watchmen film wasnt entirely exact to the comics. Snyder changed the ending from the comics in the film which in my opinion worked better in the film. This coming from a fan of the comics.
CPBuff22
CPBuff22 - 9/2/2013, 1:21 AM
I don't now how fair this one is either. To be completely honest the three CMB's you hear thrown out there most as the best over the years have been The Crow, The Dark Knight Rises, & The Avengers.

TDKR took plenty of license with its version of The Joker and honestly when in the comics had the batmobile ever really looked like that?

The Avengers was a team origin story and was quite different than the comic version. If we are talking 616 then Loki should have controlled the Hulk and Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, & Shield should have had no part in the film. If we are talking Ultimates then Loki shouldn't have had control over the invading alien army. Also Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch should have had a part in the movie. These are once again just some of the things that were changed from the comics.

Now we come to The Crow. A movie that many of us on this forum have complained that the studios keep trying to reboot. The Crow in my humble opinion is one of the best MOVIES of all time. Not just CBM but in general. Yet the movie is a far cry from the original comic book adaptation. Some of the characters are the same, some of the lines are the same, but thats about all. Even the things in The Crow that is taken directly from the comic, are put in on screen out of order.

My point here is again to emphasize that comic book movie fans don't expect exact retelling of the stories from the comics. What we do expect is that the core character ideology remains intact.

There is a reason people didn't like PTSD Tony Stark or just pretending Mandarin. There is a reason people were upset when Superman allowed Metropolis to be destroyed and then he killed Zod. There is a reason that Bane as a henchman you couldn't understand made so many fans angry. The fact is in each instant the studio/writer/producer/directer decided that it was more important to tell the movie they wanted to tell rather than stay true to the core ideals of each character.

And in case any movie executives are reading this let me be very clear. Would you make a movie about Abraham Lincoln and decide that he really doesn't have a stance on slavery one way or another? Would you make a movie about Adolph Hitler and leave out the Holocaust because that's not the story you care to tell? No because people would call you out on that! It is high time that the movie companies take our Literature as serious as they do their historical dramas. And comic books are not the only ones that have suffered from this. First thing that comes to my mine is Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. A fantastic book and yet a horrible motion picture.

In closing my rebuttal I will repeat... It isn't being identical to the source material that upsets us, it's the blatant change to the ideology of the characters that cause an uproar.
phoenixforce9
phoenixforce9 - 9/2/2013, 1:32 AM
I don't really care if Watchmen was true to the comics or not. As a regular viewer who has no idea about the Watchmen comics my problem with it is that it tried to tackle too much that it ended up convoluted. It touches on a few very serious themes but never really goes there... plus that ending would have had more impact if it had been executed well.

As for the whole Iron man 3 thing. I liked it. I thought it was irreverent and reminded me very much of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (which I absolutely love. the script on that movie is genius btw). and I don't get why people here feel the need to insult the people that like IM3.
Darlene1974
Darlene1974 - 9/2/2013, 1:35 AM
Yup... I still hate that bs killing spree in X3...
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/2/2013, 2:29 AM
Another Great Article!!



OldBenKenobi
OldBenKenobi - 9/2/2013, 2:42 AM
For me if the movie is good, it's good. There will be things that bug me, but even still I'll like it because I understand the meaning of the word ADAPTATION.

At any rate, if you complain about Watchmen being too close to the source you are beyond stupid. Watchmen is [frick]ing godly. Any other opinion is invalid.
kirbyman
kirbyman - 9/2/2013, 2:59 AM
I've got no problem with filmakers interpretations after all they've got to put " bums on seats", I've just got a problem with uninspired efforts, X Men origins Wolverene being a good example of how far from the characters we love it can get in the wrong hands.
osideous
osideous - 9/2/2013, 4:24 AM
x-men first class was and still is trash
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 9/2/2013, 4:55 AM
Oddly enough Iron Man 3 is the only Marvel movie in the MCU that has come out that I did not see multiple times in theaters. Just something about it turned me off completely. i dont even think it was the mandarin either. it just felt lackluster. It was funny yeah, but after so many jokes thrown at me one after another it just stopped being funny. I was just like "I GET IT. YOU ARE A COMEDY MOVIE!" It felt like it was trying to hard to be better than Avengers.
Ichaos
Ichaos - 9/2/2013, 4:59 AM
Just consider all movie adaptions as Elseworld/What If stories and get over it. They should approximate the core character but the logic of movies having to adhere to the comics by gospel and verse then the inverse is true. Whatever happens in the film the comics would have to follow that.

The only thing I think they should stop doing is the realism. A non powered character like Batman you can get away with it but the momment you have impossible powers, aliens, magic and especially a movieverse where there are tons of these Superhumans realism is long long gone. Most comicbook worlds are on a slightly altered Earth. Thats the only realism you need.

Nolan style superhero movies go the Greek tragedy route. Thats not necesarrilly makes it instantly realistic.
KillerTomato
KillerTomato - 9/2/2013, 5:32 AM
How can you Ninja Turtles wasn't true to the comics? The first movie was incredibly close to the earlier comics, it wasn't exact by any means, but it was very much inspired and influenced by the comics moreso than 90% of comic book films.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 9/2/2013, 5:53 AM


I'm not going to go on an anti-Alan Moore campaign here, but at the same time (it was aliens)....

I hold him accountable for the massive waves of fans who are oh-so quick to point out that a certain comic book movie is just a cash-in, and not a true adaptation... blah blah blah.

He hated From Hell. He hate HATE HATED League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Admittedly, they took massive liberties, and especially in LXG was there a gigantic deviation in tone and... well... everything.

But when one of the most faithful adaptations EVER MADE comes out, Alan Moore literally puts a curse on it, and declares that he'll never watch it. When the director commented that he hoped Moore might watch it on a rainy day in London, this famous writer responded mockingly, exclaiming that he doesn't live in London and will hold Snyder to that. I mean what an asshole.

I saw Watchmen again about a month ago - the Director's Cut. The love Snyder had for the material is illustrated in EVERY scene. Background elements that could just as easily not appeared, do. Costumes are somewhat updated, but not to the point of being so far away from Dave Gibbons' imagining. And Alan Moore, who makes his statements out of spite and ignorance, has the nerve to call it shit... without having ever seen it.

He's a bad example, really.
skullboy
skullboy - 9/2/2013, 6:11 AM
I ended up loving Ninja Turtles and X-Men First Class, you say? Uh...No.

And let's not forget 2004's Punisher and Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy from organic webs to Sandman being Uncle Ben's true killer.
ekrolo2
ekrolo2 - 9/2/2013, 6:19 AM
@Ichaos

Thats how I see it as, if these movies were set in the same universe as the comics and were considered cannon in 616/DCnU continuity then that would be a big freaking problem. Comic book fans just need to accept these movies are AUs and not part of the main continuities.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/2/2013, 6:23 AM
@CPBuff Avengers and TDKR were among the highest grossing films in comic books 1st and 3rd respectively. The Crow is up there as one of the most faithful representations to the source material. If people really hated Avengers and TDKR (which most people already knew that the trilogy was based on realism) it really didn't matter because everyone pretty much went to see it.

Avengers, broke every record with the exception of dethroning Avatar. So I didn't focus attention on those as much, but I did throw it in the list that folks complained about and loved; well, because fans did. It's that simple bud.

In terms of fair? These are observations of complaints made against films for not being faithful and still succeeding in the box office.

The Crow succeeded, and I agree it is an amazing movie. The sequels were commercially created because of the successes of the first.

So i'm trying to understand what you are trying to say? You love these movies and they should have been listed as complained about?

O_o

Fans complain about any aspect of a comic not being faithful to their own expectation. But I hear what you are saying, I think.

I do love reading all of these conversations; you guys are actually following with me (almost) in the exact progression where I'm going.
holeymonkey
holeymonkey - 9/2/2013, 6:32 AM
I love different interpretations. Without studios and directors taking liberties, we never would have had that hilarious Italian Red Skull in the Salinger original. Funny shit.
gambgel
gambgel - 9/2/2013, 6:47 AM
The less I remember x3 the better.

What an impressive cast, and how many wasted x-men.
bagadoosh
bagadoosh - 9/2/2013, 7:20 AM


Fine works sir
billnye69
billnye69 - 9/2/2013, 7:23 AM
[frick] this......stay true to the comics or [frick] off. There hasn't been 70yrs of cannon for these characters for it to be ignored. What a bunch of B.S.
mgauge
mgauge - 9/2/2013, 7:36 AM
My biggest complaint is that they are not picking the right actors to portray the people in the comics. For example: Jamie Fox as Elecktro and Laurence Fishbourne as Perry White.
thewonderer
thewonderer - 9/2/2013, 7:38 AM
Nolans Batman Trilogy is not comic inaccurate.

They are actually the most comic accurate CBMs if you look at them clearly.

knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 9/2/2013, 7:40 AM
IMO the crow was the best interpretation of a comic book we'll see the sec is watchmen they twiked a few things. I think those 2 movies hands down will be the best we'll get anytime soon.
Baf
Baf - 9/2/2013, 7:45 AM
When one of you comes up with the $$ to make a comic book movie you can decide how it is made, the character, and who acts in it. Until then, if you don't like the outcome well...sucks for you because guess what? Reality: Studios are trying to make money. They are not trying to satisfy any given fan's ideal interpretation of his favorite fictional characterization of a drawing or story. Take the good with the bad and let them keep making movies.
Kyos
Kyos - 9/2/2013, 7:47 AM
I'm one of the few people here who was disappointed by Watchmen, I guess. I love the comic, it's probably the only comic ever I'd say I'm kind of obsessed with. Was Watchmen rather faithfl to the comic visuallly? No doubt. But I felt it was off the mark in other aspects, and to me it wasn't as good as could've been.

That being said, it was by no means bad, and I do like the extended versions quite a lot. And I really like Snyder, who I believe gave us the most faithful Watchmen adaptation he could make, which probably was the most faithful Watchmen adaptation ANYONE would've been willing to make.

Aside from direct adaptations of very specific self-contained stories I'm pretty tolerant when it comes to changes from the source material, because in cases of most superheroes there's just a whole damn lot of source material.

A comicbook movie should try to stay true to the characters and themes as much as possible, and try to be a good movie - that makes me happy!
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 9/2/2013, 7:51 AM
I don't envy CBM screenwriters. They have 120 pages to somehow distill decades of comic history into something entertaining for the masses. And they also need to be sure to hit all the major points which made the characters so appealing to comic readers in the first place. And lastly (and most controversially), they have to consider tossing in surprises to jostle know-it-all fanboys off their feet just enough to keep things interesting. It's a balancing act, for sure.

I have accepted that CBMs are not meant to be part of the mainstream comics timeline, but are rather just part of the multiverse of What-Ifs. Nothing is ruined in any translation, and the comic BOOK source lives on.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 9/2/2013, 7:55 AM
@CPBuff22, "It is high time that the movie companies take our Literature as serious as they do their historical dramas." Seriously? Superman & Iron Man & Bane & the Mandarin are as important as Lincoln & Hitler? That is, quite simply, the ultimate expression of comic book fanboy nonsense.

These are FICTIONAL characters. They are not real. They don't have core ideals, other than what a writer has chosen to give them. And even then, even just in the comics, different writers have changed things up. Superman HAS killed Zod in the comics. Stark was an alcoholic at one point in the comics, is there really much difference between that and PTSD?

The writers of these movies told stories that made sense considering the cinematic history of the characters. It makes perfect sense that Tony would have PTSD. As he tells Steve, he is NOT a soldier, and even those with military training sometimes get PTSD, from events less traumatic than nearly dying while flying a nuclear missile through a wormhole.

As for Superman, first fanboys complain that he doesn't do enough to save civilians during the fight, then you complain that he kills Zod to save a family. His killing of Zod made sense in the context of that movie (and quite frankly, a Superman who would rather let someone like Zod live and potentially kill thousands rather than violate some "I will never kill" ideal is a fairly stupid character anyway. This was a change that needed to be made.)

Seriously, these comics aren't holy scripture, and these characters are not that important in the grander scheme of things. Worry more about the movies being good than about "source material."
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