Ranking: The Best Superhero Shows of the Season

Ranking: The Best Superhero Shows of the Season

Which superhero movie cemented itself atop the genre this season?

Editorial Opinion
By Shazam37 - Jun 14, 2015 05:06 AM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics

This past television season was littered with comic book shows, some new, some back for a second or even third season. While some quickly cemented themselves at the top of the genre, others struggled to find their footing. This list will rank the shows from worst to best.

Disclaimer: Only shows in the superhero genre will be used, including Arrow, Constantine, Gotham, and The Flash from DC and Agent Carter, Agents of SHIELD, and Daredevil from Marvel. iZombie and The Walking Dead will NOT be used. Ranking is based only on the past season and will not take past successes or failures into account. SPOILERS for each show.

7. Constantine

Constantine

NBC tried to jump on the comic book bandwagon this season, but unfortunately failed. Constantine, which was just officially discontinued last week, never settled in on network television despite the casting of a great lead in Matt Ryan. Ultimately, the show never seemed to reel in the casual viewer despite its efforts to make the show more network friendly, possibly due to a tough time slot, and the small group of “Hellblazers” wasn’t enough to save the series. Creator Daniel Cerone attempted to shop the show around a bit to other networks in hopes of a second season -- even Stephen Amell helped by promising that he would appear in an episode -- but in the end Constantine could not find a new home. Hopefully we’ll see Matt Ryan reprise the role in the DC/CW universe, but that is highly unlikely.

As mentioned above, a major flaw of the series was that NBC really watered down the show to make it network friendly. Were it to had been originally picked up by Netflix or even SyFy we may have seen a show more willing and able to flex its comic book muscles which would have really set it apart from other shows on television, something NBC seemed afraid of. It’s first and only season was enjoyable, but nothing spectacular.

6. Gotham

Gotham

Advanced reviews had the Batman prequel quickly sitting atop the genre, but unfortunately the FOX series never lived up to its potential. The first season was littered with references, cameos, and appearances by characters from the source material that had no business being introduced just yet. These characters included, Penguin, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Joker, Scarecrow and his dad, Electrocutioner’s dad, Harvey Dent, Salvatore Maroni, Carmine Falcone, Dr. Dullmacher, Harvey Bullock, Barbara Kean, Riddler, Jim Gordon, Bruce Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth, and Lucius Fox. This was supposed to draw people in but instead led to a befuddled cast and an extremely weak plot that couldn’t even intrigue the biggest of Bat-fans.

The continuous foreshadowing of Bruce Wayne’s eventual transformation into Batman had even the most casual fan rolling their eyes. Ultimately, the first season felt more like a show that tried to fit in as many comic book characters and Batman references as possible instead of developing an interesting plot and intriguing characters. At times, it showed what it could be, but not nearly enough. Instead of focussing on Falcone, Maroni, Gordon and the struggle for power in Gotham, they spent time developing Fish Mooney in a storyline that truly went nowhere. And while the Penguin was one of the bright spots of the first half of the season, the character lost his way later on and his role in the main plot became tedious and unnecessary.

While the second half of the season did begin to improve, it couldn’t overcome the early writing woes and resulted in an extremely disappointing season. We'll see if they learn from their mistakes in season two, if they do not Bruce will most likely not be given the chance to become the Batman. 

5. Arrow

Arrow
Arrow came into the season as the king of the genre. The senior-most show had already delivered a very solid first season along with a riveting and truly spectacular second season. Unfortunately, the show couldn’t recapture the magic of the previous seasons as Ra’s al Ghul and the League of Assassins were never able to pose the threat that Deathstroke had in season two. Also, the out-of-leftfield romance that quickly overtook the plot between Oliver and Felicity seriously dragged the series down as Marc Guggenheim and co. spent much more time developing a truly forced romance rather than developing plot and secondary characters like Roy, Diggle, and Laurel — all of whom are much more integral to the success of Team Arrow. This romance also severely hurt Felicity’s character who, outside of the Olicity fandom, quickly lost favor with the fan base after being one of the more popular characters in previous seasons. This was by far the most disappointing season out of the lot because the show had been so good coming in and had such high expectations.

The acting was considerably worse than the rest of the shows, with Willa Holland’s Thea Queen taking the crown for worst performance. Many of her emotional deliveries were cringe-worthy as she spat out empty threats through gritted teeth.

That said, the season did have one redeeming quality that came in the mid-season finale. While Ra’s was not written to his potential, Matt Nable did as good a job as one could do in making him a viable adversary. The Oliver/Ra’s al Ghul sword duel atop a snowy mountain proved to be one of the best scenes of the season for all the shows. It was choreographed beautifully, had its viewers emotionally engaged, and offered the biggest WTF moment. Unfortunately, they couldn’t back up the great scene with more good storytelling and the episodes that followed seemed rushed and the season lost its way soon after.

Throughout the season Oliver was given even more parallels to Batman/Bruce Wayne, and in some cases the writers just took entire story lines from the Batman mythos and inserted them into the show. This began irk some viewers who would rather see a Green Arrow story rather than Oliver inserted into a Batman story.

Lastly, the flashbacks were terrible all season. There were times when I literally had no clue as to what was going on and others when I had no interest. Most of the flashbacks just served to take momentum away from the episode’s main storyline and ultimately hurt the show. 

(Also Nyssa was great throughout, and by far my favorite character of the season)

4. Agents of SHIELD

AoS

AoS had a very unspectacular first season, although as fans will quickly tell you, it got much better after the events of Captain America: Winter Soldier. This season was much of the same. While the first half of the season was much better than the previous, there was a point in the middle where it felt they were just stalling a bit until Age of Ultron was released and then it picked back up. That’s my main gripe with SHIELD; it feels too tethered to a movie universe that doesn’t seem to really notice it at all. They spend so much time making references to the MCU and get nothing in return. In fact, Joss Whedon even admitted that in his mind Phil Coulson is still dead. This is the major problem with having a television universe connected to the movie universe and why I’m glad DC is keeping them separate for the time being.

Another problem with the show is the weak antagonists; they lack a “big bad”. For example, in Arrow and The Flash we’ve had Deathstroke, Ra’s al Ghul, and Reverse Flash as the main antagonists. SHIELD uses powerful groups as their antagonists but it doesn’t work as well because there is no face that the audience can latch onto. There seasons lack emotional attatchment and tension in that regard. In season one it was Hydra and in season two is was Hydra and then the Inhumans. Sure there are characters who sit atop these respective clans but they aren’t very strong characters in the least. In fact, the second season of AoS almost felt like it was cut into segments. The first half they battled with Hydra, then they kind of stalled for a few weeks with some episodes that literally went nowhere, then they battled “the real SHIELD” for a couple episodes and then the Inhumans — oh and Ward showed up every now and again. This lseverely acks cohesiveness and an antagonist whose antics will build up for the entire season until finally coming to a head in an emotional and heated battle; and while the show had a strong finale, it definitely struggled a bit because of it.

That said, SHIELD offered some very entertaining episodes and new characters this season; Mockingbird and Hunter were great additions. The action was entertaining, the acting very good, and while incohesive, the overall storyline was just good enough to bypass Arrow in this ranking.

3. Agent Carter

Agent Carter

A miniseries that allowed us to enjoy the midseason hiatus proved to surpass the show it spun-off of in just 8 episodes; and this is a main reason as to why it was as successful as it was — 8 episodes. Unlike AoSAgent Carter had no time to stall, no filler episodes, it went 0 to 100 and delivered an extremely entertaining story arc that pitted Agent Peggy Carter up against Hydra, Dr. Ivchenko, the Black Widow Program, and early 20th century sexism. Seriously though, Hayley Atwell delivered a great performance as Peggy Carter, as she always does, and was surrounded by some Grade A secondary characters including Howard Stark, Jarvis (the real-life one), and Jack Thomspson — an episode involving the Howling Commandos didn’t hurt either. While it wasn’t a perfect run, it was very impressive for an inaugural season and even forced it’s way into a second season.

2. Daredevil

Daredevil

Everyone was extremely excited when Marvel teamed up with Netflix to deliver some more characters to the MCU. Among those titles was Daredevil, looking to redeem itself from it’s previous incarnation starring Ben Affleck, and it did just that. While it took two, maybe three, episodes to really get going, it proved to be of superior quality to all other shows in the genre. The acting was phenomenal, Charlie Cox delivers a great performance as Daredevil/Matt Murdock and Vincent D’Onofrio gives an equally awesome performance as the antagonist Kingpin. On a smaller level, Rosario Dawson’s Night Nurse was also a highlight of the series even though she only showed up a handful of times.

This was another short series that was only given 13 episodes, and told a great origin story for the character and proved to be the most grim and dark of all Marvel franchises. This not only includes some very violent scenes, but also very deep and philosophical questions that Matt faces regarding his crusade, Catholicism, mortality, and morality, that were highlighted in some truly fascinating scenes with Matt’s priest. These are topics that other Marvel franchises will not touch, and it’s nice to see that they are willing to delve into the gritty side of the universe.

Any romance was used solely to supplement the main storyline; this show truly used romance perfectly for a 13-episode origin story. There were a few scenes involving Matt and Night Nurse, but most of the romance in the show revolved around Kingpin and his girlfriend Vanessa. The show delved into the fear of Kingpin’s associates regarding his relationship with her leading to him becoming soft and losing his touch and they even hatched a plan to kill her because of it. It was all just done to perfection.

The only reason this show is sitting at number two is that, while it was a fascinating and thrilling season, it wasn’t anything we haven’t seen before. In fact, it was easy to tell that the creators were inspired by Christopher Nolan’s Batman Begins, and that’s not a bad thing. If Batman Begins were given 13 episodes to flesh out it’s characters and plot, this would be it and that’s a testament to the quality of this series.

1. The Flash

The Flash

Grant Gustin’s Barry Allen was introduced in two episodes of Arrow’s second season and was so positively received that instead of getting a backdoor pilot, which was originally planned, CW ordered a full pilot which actually leaked over the summer. This did not hurt the show at all, in fact it actually benefited from the leak as the first episode was received so well that word of mouth spread like wild fire and everyone tuned in for its official premier in October. And the show, quite literally, hit the ground running. It was easy to see that the pilot episode was not an aberration; each week the quality of the show improved and set up a truly fantastic storyline revolving around one of Barry’s most iconic rogues.

While the acting wasn’t on the level of a Daredevil, save for maybe Jesse L. Martin who was solid throughout, it was by no means bad and improved throughout the season, coming to a head in the finale in an emotionally charged scene between Barry and his dying mother. Barry’s STAR Labs team, including Caitlin Frost and Cisco Ramon, quickly found their footing and proved to rival that of Team Arrow and the, originally, ambiguous Harrison Wells had us all wondering just how he was going to play into the main plot from the very beginning.

Throughout the series we saw the likes of Reverse Flash, Firestorm, Captain Cold, Heat Wave, The Trickster (in a great performance by the legendary Mark Hamill), Multiplex and others. We saw numerous crossovers with Arrow, which were all very entertaining and exactly what fans want from a shared universe, including the final battle with Reverse Flash which saw the team-up of Arrow, Flash, and Firestorm.

Unlike ArrowFlash’s romantic plots supplemented the main storyline rather than acting as a separate storyline that killed momentum. There was a bit of a love triangle but it was executed rather nicely and ended in a way that nobody saw coming. And Unlike Gotham, the plethora of comic book characters didn’t seem shoehorned into the story — sure there was a bit of a “metahuman of the week” complex, but it was ultimately handled very well.

The Flash was truly the best superhero show of the season because of its originality, superior special effects, excellent storytelling, dedication to the source material, and its aggressiveness. Nobody expected the show to tackle as much as it did in its first season and set up a riveting second season. The vibe of the show was exactly what you’d expect from a series revolving around such a fun character.

Lastly, the special effects were truly magnificent for television. No other show attempted anything close to what The Flash did, including a CGI Grodd that actually worked rather well. The battle between Barry and Reverse Flash in the past was probably the best example of this, as the team really saved their best work for the finale -- but it was awesome throughout. This was a major question mark going into the series and I was glad to see that they came through.

The Flash

The Flash

We’re all extremely excited for next season which will feature even more shows including Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, and some more from Marvel on Netflix. Will The Flash be able to hold its ground atop the genre? Will Arrow bounce back with an exciting fourth season? We will surely find out.


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KurtCrawler
KurtCrawler - 6/14/2015, 6:25 AM
I woulda flipped Flash and Daredevil, but I really loved both. I didn't watch any others lol
KurtCrawler
KurtCrawler - 6/14/2015, 6:26 AM
ALSO very, very well written!
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/14/2015, 7:17 AM
Daredevil's #1 for me, can't wait for season 2, Punisher!!



GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/14/2015, 7:46 AM
Daredevil is #1!!!!!!
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 8:42 AM
8.) iZombie(she's a zombie working for the cops...essentially a superhero)
7.) Gotham
6.) Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.




5.) Agent Carter
4.) Constantine (RIP!)
3.) The Flash
2.) Arrow
1.) Daredevil
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/14/2015, 9:03 AM
Agents of SHIELD isn't that low. The negatives the author has given can't be agreed at all.

This is a totally different show. Its not a superhero show at all. 4th ranking sounds good for me as it is a non-superhero show ranked among superhero shows.

My ranking would be something like this:
1)Daredevil
2)AoS/Flash
3)Agent Carter
4)IZombie(Haven't watched it but it is received positively)
5)Constantine





6)Arrow
Odin
Odin - 6/14/2015, 9:51 AM
@GliderMan If you really think that Flash is that cheesy, go watch some 60's Batman on youtube, you will probably get a stroke.
montyburns
montyburns - 6/14/2015, 10:01 AM
@GliderMan- I agree with you regarding the tone of the Flash. It's...for lack of a better term...comic book-y. Fun, light hearted, and pacing that occurs...in a flash! But overrated? By whom? Critics? They're a buncha jerkwads. But for fans, like most things, it's personal opinion. I would say DD was the best but it's almost unfair since DD was on Netflix, not basic cable. I would argue that any of these shows would benefit from being on a platform like Netflix.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 10:04 AM
@dragons292014

"Agents of SHIELD isn't that low."



To me, it's an atrocious series and has been that way since its first season. I became gleeful when Joss Whedon finally spoke about the series and how it's really now the black sheep of the MCU.
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/14/2015, 10:25 AM
@MisterSuperior: Now, care to explain why you hate it?

Haven't you watched the second season? Or seen how its received now? Go check a few podcasts or reviews. Very few people think the same as you.

Anyway, your opinion....won't convince you. But just saying what others think....
acorsi11
acorsi11 - 6/14/2015, 10:25 AM
1.Flash
2.Daredevil
3.Gotham
4.Agents of SHIELD
5.Agent Carter
*I like 3,4,and 5 equally
6.Arrow (It has become the worst show I've ever seen)
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 10:36 AM
@acorsi11

"6.Arrow (It has become the worst show I've ever seen)"

Watch an episode of a series called Fastlane.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 10:38 AM
@dragons292014

"Very few people think the same as you."

This mindset bothers me when it comes to this site particularly. It's as if no one can have an opinion of their own. If the majority likes something, then EVERYONE should like something. It's why @GliderMan is getting replies over his comments of saying The Flash is overrated. That's his opinion and while I don't even agree with him, there are already replies trying to suggest that his opinion is wrong. No, no opinion is truly wrong. What the majority likes, I couldn't care any less about and it goes for AoS.

I have seen a few episodes of AoS S2 and I watched the entire first season of it. I don't like how S.H.I.E.L.D. continues to be used as a whole in the series and felt we had enough of it in the film. And like Joss Whedon, I don't believe Coulson should have ever been brought back to life, nor that S.H.I.E.L.D. should continue to be used after such a powerful impact like the deconstruction of the agency in The Winter Soldier. Let's face it, Marvel's films don't have that huge hanging thread of whether something can shake the foundation as you know this character or that character can be brought back, so what TWS did with S.H.I.E.L.D. was a very special moment in rocking the foundation without even having to make it a life or death scenario since most of the characters will live on to see the next fight. And what the series is doing has twice reversed some big moments the films have shown, and besides what I feel to be lackluster story telling from that Garrett dude and his whack death to even how they handled Mr. Hyde this season....I just don't think AoS has phenomenal writing as well as the series continuously reversing some big heavy handed moments the films have made, which, I'm glad that not all of the movies' fans watch the series because I feel like they would view the films differently seeing as how AoS has become the outlet of reversing what the films have done so amazingly. And even the Inhumans storyline, the storyline that actually made me watch some episodes of S2, while they were enjoyable, they also weren't what I even wanted when it comes to introducing the Inhumans in to the MCU and I feel like the films will do a better job at that even. It's the ying and yang of Marvel TV....Daredevil has done such an amazing job with its storytelling while AoS do not.
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 6/14/2015, 10:47 AM
great read mate
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/14/2015, 11:15 AM
@MisterSuperior: AS I said its your opinions. I agree that season 1 hasn't been that good(I still liked it). And judging by your comment we have a totally different opinions. I felt that Season 2 had a phenomenal writing. And much different(not better) than the likes of Daredevil. The last ten episodes of season 1 did showed how worse SHIELD was affected. I haven't read any Inhuman comics but AoS gave us a pretty logical,grounded and yet, comicky version of Inhumans. And the films is supposed to give us an actual greater Inhumans.

As for "SHIELD shouldn't have come backed". Its a damn organisation. it can come back whenever it wants or stay in rubles.

SHIELD was a highly secret organisation. .The normal public never knew them till Avengers fiasco. And that's not the SHIELD its supposed to be. Whatever happened to TWS has now helped them to revert back to incognito mode. TWS, according to me, showed downfall of an organisation, not it's destruction.

And TWS made pretty clear that SHIELD will still continue to exist. It just would not be Nick Fury.If not SHIELD there would have been another organisation established anytime just like SHIELD. It would have still been the same. The members would be either former SHIELD agents or Hydra sleeper cells, and I wouldn't want that. Winder Soldier showed how widespread Hydra was around the world. AoS showed how deep the organisation affected.

Season 2 showed a emergence of new SHIELD under a new model. Its like like what you mentioned. An entire new organisation just carrying the name.


"I don't believe Coulson should have ever been brought back to life" If you watched the the whole S2, Coulson himself brings up this point.
Jokes aside, Whedon did said that he will just not reveal himself to Avengers(which wouldn't exist briefly around Civil War). He is dead to Avengers and not to the rest of the MCU. And as they are going towards the route of Avengers disassembling, Coulson's existence wouldn't affect the MCU, nor it will a blot. Season 2 for me just proved that AoS is no more a black sheep.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 12:26 PM
@dragons292014

And with it being my opinion, there is no need to say what others think about the show. And believe me, I know quite a bit of people who feel the same way as I do about AoS too.

"Its a damn organisation. it can come back whenever it wants or stay in rubles."

Tell me why should it, especially what we see in Age of Ultron with the New Avengers Academy. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have transcended into that, which the films are correctly doing. S.H.I.E.L.D. should have seen its death with Hydra's successful comeback, and to oppose such a threat, there has to be something better and something more than S.H.I.E.L.D. which is what the New Avengers Academy should represent in the films. Things needs to evolve and after what happened in TWS, it evolved perfectly into something better.

"He is dead to Avengers and not to the rest of the MCU."

And for me too. Coulson was a great character, and that is something else...I've hated the characterization for Coulson as he is playing in the mold of being the show's Nick Fury....I loved his fanboyism in Phase One.
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 6/14/2015, 1:13 PM
Only show's that I've seen

1) Daredevil (Awesome cannot wait for Punisher)
2)Flash (Started off slow but then became fantastic)
3) AOS (Good show but can drag sometimes, more Mack and Ward please? Give May more to do as she is awesome)
4)Constantine (Good show with great potential)
5)Arrow (Stopped watching got bored off, too many dislikeable characters including the lead)
6) Gotham (Boring)
the
the - 6/14/2015, 1:47 PM
Counting iZombie because being a zombie is very much a superpower in this show
and Liv's arc as well as Major's arc pretty much made them superheroes.
1. iZombie
2. The Flash
3. Daredevil/Gotham
4. Constantine
5. Agent Carter
6. Agents of Shield
7. Arrow
Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/14/2015, 5:06 PM
Honestly, I think Agents of SHIELD is still "bad." Not Gotham bad, it's just not my cup of tea I guess. Daredevil and The Flash were good this year, with iZombie being a pleasant surprise as well. Every other show had potential though, especially Constantine. RIP
Kurne
Kurne - 6/14/2015, 5:55 PM
@GliderMan

"The Flash is the most overrated show in comic book history."

Just yes.
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/14/2015, 5:56 PM
@MisterSuperior: That's like saying why there should be ARGUS when we have Justice Justice League.

Avengers Academy gave us an organisation which deals with the threats can't handled by SHIELD or any other normal being. And Civil War seems to seems to show the concerns of a superhero team governing body.

SHIELD VS SHIELD dealt with the existance of SHIELD. You cannot leave the world in the hands of the same people who let a man make a killing robot and not at all batting an eye at the end.

They even covered the point of Coulson being Fury all over again. Hell, that's the major point of that feud. And at the end Coulson proved that he is nothing like Fury.

Whatever questions you have raised have been put forward in the show itself.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/14/2015, 8:24 PM
@dragons292014

"That's like saying why there should be ARGUS when we have Justice Justice League."

I'm confused with what relevance this even makes. Film needs to be smarter than the comics, so having S.H.I.E.L.D. destroyed from the inside out which is what TWS showed, the common evolution would have been superheroes taking cue and starting up what is now the New Avengers Academy. You'll make sense if ARGUS is some kind of stable when there is a Justice League in the DCCU, or even if ARGUS even exists which we do not know of yet. At least try to make some relevance to what I am speaking about.

"Avengers Academy gave us an organisation which deals with the threats can't handled by SHIELD or any other normal being. And Civil War seems to seems to show the concerns of a superhero team governing body."

And as with the evolution that it's not just human carrying pistols threatening the Earth anymore, New Avengers Academy needs to be that stable above S.H.I.E.L.D. Even Fury and Hill are behind the NAA because this is just the clear evolution. No matter what Civil War provides, whether you're accurate or not about the concerns of a superhero team, which I don't think is what CW will fully be about(since Stark himself will have his own team), doesn't take away what the films are alluding to correctly which is the NAA being the direction evolution of what comes after S.H.I.E.L.D. They have their old weapons, their old technology....S.H.I.E.L.D., now in the MCU has evolved and whatever ABC wants to show in their black sheep show won't effect it and rightfully so.

"SHIELD VS SHIELD dealt with the existance of SHIELD. You cannot leave the world in the hands of the same people who let a man make a killing robot and not at all batting an eye at the end."

And this is another problem I had, from what little I saw of this plot line...S.H.I.E.L.D. vs S.H.I.E.L.D. It tried to tarnish what supposedly S.H.I.E.L.D. had become, but what we see of S.H.I.E.L.D. before the Hyda reveal was an organization that was still doing good, so the idea that there was a hidden organization within the organization that was already hiding an hidden organization only added complexities to something that wasn't needed. S.H.I.E.L.D. was fine as is and it was the evil of Hydra that should've been the only resistance, not some special operations version of S.H.I.E.L.D. It only tried to capitalize what TWS did by creating their own conspiracy which wasn't needed.

Also, seeing as how the man who invented the killing robot will be on the side of the government come CW, I don't see how your last statement has any relevance as well.

"They even covered the point of Coulson being Fury all over again. Hell, that's the major point of that feud. And at the end Coulson proved that he is nothing like Fury.

Whatever questions you have raised have been put forward in the show itself."

Except whatever you say about the show putting forward my questions and critic on the series, the answers they have given have only made the series look worse by every episode.

And you don't understand my comparison to Coulson and Fury...Coulson was written to a character that was both integral to Phase One, but also acted as an outlet to be just like the viewer. From his gawking at everything Captain America to him wanting the Avengers to unite more than possibly even Nick Fury himself, that characterization is never shown in AoS. It's just him being a leader, like the position of being Nick Fury. Coulson is never shown to have that charm that he had in the films and just one extra reason why AoS is a complete waste of time for me.

@Dingbat

"Every other show had potential though, especially Constantine. RIP"

Yes. Constantine has massive potential, and the mixture of the series finally getting into a rhythm after a few episodes in, plus the ratings it measly held up to possibly even being on NBC in general which really loves to one-and-done a lot of shows, it was just a completely failure for the series and the cast, crew and fans of the series were only hopeful of something that wasn't going to be. An amazing series that had a short run will be Constantine's tagline from now on and be among those greats that were never given a second chance like John Doe.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/14/2015, 9:15 PM
@DrDoom

"Beating off" the competition




Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/14/2015, 9:16 PM
@MisterSuperior

Amen. It will be missed.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 6/16/2015, 12:09 AM
I find the Arrowverse to be medicore. Gotham has a shit ton of potential, but is dragged down by bad references. I couldn't get into Constatine.

Agent Carter was [frick]ing awesome. Agents of SHIELD got really good.

Daredevil was the best show of the year along with Better Call Saul and Game of Thrones. Holy shit. Easily the best superhero show ever. EASILY.





staypuffed
staypuffed - 6/16/2015, 1:03 AM
@BatmanHeisenberg
"Daredevil was the best show of the year along with Better Call Saul and Game of Thrones. Holy shit. Easily the best superhero show ever. EASILY."


Agreed 100%. Better than Thrones, in my opinion.
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/16/2015, 6:33 AM
@MisterSuperior

" New Avengers Academy needs to be that stable above S.H.I.E.L.D. Even Fury and Hill are behind the NAA because this is just the clear evolution."

Add SHIELD themselves to founders. Theta Protocol isn't just an helicarrier or a mission to Avengers, it was the New Avengers Acedemy which was put forward by Coulson, the guy behind Avengers. The infrastructure and the muscle power required for NAA could be only provided by SHIELD. THe people who you must have seen at the NAA other than the Avengers and Hill are SHIELD agents recruited by SHIELD. According to me, the movies shouldn't force the people to watch. AoS played a perfect role of being behind-the-scenes show for Age of Ultron and yet playing its own story till the end. It will never be a separate show and the events that took place in AoU will help the show. And there is nothing bad in capitalizing TWS or any other arc from the MCU, because thats what this show is supposed to do, to go on with the movies, in real time.


"Except whatever you say about the show putting forward my questions and critic on the series, the answers they have given have only made the series look worse by every episode. "

Now that's just your opinion. But still not an established fact, which I totally disagree with. As i said above its a totally different show and perfectly does a great job given to it. For me those references and answers are what made me like AoS. It still has its flaws. They could have hired a better actor to play Jiaying. Her acting was noticeably bad. They shouldn't have killed of Whitehall so easily, the writers seem to have kept Fits brain issues at back burner which would have created some great dynamic. And the background score is not great at all(felt generic). Flash, Daredevil Agent Carter and all the other shows has flaws too. Hell Flash has a number of flaws(but not relevant to the discussion).

"It's just him being a leader, like the position of being Nick Fury. Coulson is never shown to have that charm that he had in the films and just one extra reason why AoS is a complete waste of time for me."

He was portrayed as that guy at the beginning of season 2. But as the show progresses he became more like the Coulson you liked than the Coulson you think it was in AoS. And being a director, you will need to shake yourself from what you are and became a leader, still being yourself. And AoS perfectly nailed it.

@Site owners: I have tried to post this 3 times, but irt doesn't get posted and I get logged out.....
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/16/2015, 10:37 AM
@dragons292014

Did you not watch Age of Ultron? Nick Fury said he found some of his "old toys". No reference to Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. or anything of the like, so in terms of just the film, Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. plays no part in helping out the NAA. To you, as a fan of AoS perhaps you could align the idea together, but in film it still makes sense without AoS.

"Now that's just your opinion. But still not an established fact, which I totally disagree with."

Of course it's my opinion. We have been talking about just our opinions and the films can be looked at without the company of AoS and AoS doesn't add anything to the films where you need to watch, in my opinion.

"Flash, Daredevil Agent Carter and all the other shows has flaws too. Hell Flash has a number of flaws(but not relevant to the discussion). "

Flaws is one thing, and we're not talking about flaws either. We're talking about a show that I don't think helps the MCU as a whole. Daredevil actually does because it's introducing street-level heroes that haven't been seen before. It expands the MCU naturally while AoS does not, imo.

"And AoS perfectly nailed it."

I disagree. From throughout S1 and the episodes I saw in S2, I did not see the Phil Coulson I liked seeing in the Phase One films. And that is just one more reason why Coulson died in The Avengers.

@Dingbat

Indeed it will be. From the most comic-accurate episodes of CBTV I've seen to Matt Ryan being such a faithful Constantine, the show will be greatly missed.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 6/16/2015, 1:39 PM
@staypuffed

NahhhI think they're equal. This new season of GoT was amazing.
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/16/2015, 4:49 PM
@MisterSuperior:
"Did you not watch Age of Ultron? Nick Fury said he found some of his "old toys". No reference to Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. or anything of the like, so in terms of just the film, Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. plays no part in helping out the NAA."

Old toys means the helicarrier, and Coulson haf a huge contribution in reviving. And the movie is released worldwide, not everyone watches AoS. And to make a direct reference would confuse a lot of movie goers. Age of Ultron doesn't forces you to watch a 21 episode series and that's one of the brightest point if the movies. It shouldn't force you to watch it. And as you hate AoS, you will love to disconnect it from the MCU.

"Daredevil actually does because it's introducing street-level heroes that haven't been seen before. It expands the MCU naturally while AoS does not, imo"

AoS has given us Inhumans, giving us a new dimension to the MCU, and its exploration is left to the movies. Maybe, for me it just adds to the MCU as much as Daredevil did.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/17/2015, 4:17 PM
@dragons292014

"And as you hate AoS, you will love to disconnect it from the MCU."

And that makes me a happy camper, because the terribly written AoS has no effect to the films.

But, Fury's comment doesn't directly mean anything of the sort on if Coulson was able to let them have a Helicarrier, especially one that still looked dusty and hasn't been used for quite some time, especially when we saw the other part of S.H.I.E.L.D. still using their vehicles and what not.

"AoS has given us Inhumans, giving us a new dimension to the MCU, and its exploration is left to the movies."

LMAO.

It's funny you actually think that when the Inhumans will be completely different from what AoS and be handled far superior and extremely better. AoS gave us watered-down Inhumans.
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 6/17/2015, 6:32 PM
"And that makes me a happy camper, because the terribly written AoS has no effect to the films"

None of the TV shows will. They are a setup for long shot. After phase 3 I think. And if you are happy hating AoS, hate it, but don't expect others to follow your bandwagon.


"But, Fury's comment doesn't directly mean anything of the sort on if Coulson was able to let them have a Helicarrier, especially one that still looked dusty"

I say it again, referring a TV series that the world audiences can't see is rather not a preferable move. Its Fury, we all know this guy is a walking mastermind of backup plan. For the people not watching the series Fury's contact is someone huge. And for the person who watched it Coulson saved the world. Theta protocol was NAA a plan carried by Coulson for the Avengers, which includes the hellocarrier, that was on works prior 11-12 months of the AoU events.

"Inhumans will be completely different from what AoS and be handled far superior and extremely better. AoS gave us watered-down Inhumans"

I said it introduced the concept of inhumans. I know except for quake, the inhumans introduced in movies will lot more powerfull
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