DC Studios' DCU: 5 Things That Already Make No Sense About The Upcoming Reboot

DC Studios' DCU: 5 Things That Already Make No Sense About The Upcoming Reboot

DC Studios is planning to reboot the DCEU as the DCU, and while that's exciting, there's a lot about James Gunn and Peter Safran's current approach which, based on what we've learned, makes zero sense...

Feature Opinion
By JoshWilding - Aug 14, 2023 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios

The news Warner Bros. Discovery was launching DC Studios with James Gunn and Peter Safran at the helm was received extremely positively.

The sad fact is, the DCEU has been running on fumes for a while now, and while plans for a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie had potential, it's been clear for several years that a fresh start is needed. And one which, like it or not, should in no way set out to #RestoreTheSnyderVerse. 

Like many of you, we're incredibly excited about Superman: Legacy but beyond that, it's clear DC Studios has already hit a few stumbling blocks. Since that big slate reveal at the end of January, confusion, conflicting reports, and some head-scratching decisions have turned what should have been a thrilling line-wide reboot into what feels like more of the same, albeit with a few new faces and a zanier tone. 

Time will tell whether the DCU proves to be a success (we really hope so after the damage the DCEU has done to this genre), but these are some of our current causes for concern...
 

5. Everything About 2023

F2-cbasbk-AAbj6-Y

What a disaster this year has been. 2023 kicked off with DC Studios deciding to announce its "Chapter 1: Gods and Monsters" slate (which consists of an undeniably exciting selection of movies and TV shows) before any of the year's DCEU titles were released. 

A confusing Q&A with Gunn and Safran about the brand's future left fans scratching their heads, but the general consensus was that this year's offerings no longer had any sort of relevancy or importance to the new DCU. That goes a long way in explaining why both the Shazam! sequel and The Flash bombed; unfortunately, Blue Beetle is likely next based on early tracking data.

Gunn's decision to describe The Flash as "the greatest superhero movie ever" saw fans question how capable he is of running this franchise, a valid concern if those were his legitimate thoughts after watching the messy, underwhelming blockbuster. 

The Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 filmmaker has tried his best to put an end to the Marvel vs. DC rhetoric but inadvertently alienated many MCU fans by suggesting the DCU will do everything Marvel Studios has, only better. Then, there was the controversial ousting of Henry Cavill and Dwayne Johnson which, while understandable, has deeply upset the SnyderVerse crowd...
 

4. Andy Muschietti Will Direct The Brave and the Bold

why-batmans-new-robin-is-a-murderous-sob-in-the-brave-and-th-tysb

When it comes to film and television, one person's masterpiece is another's disaster and vice versa. Opinions in this realm are extremely subjective, hence why there's so often such a noteworthy divide between critics and fans. 

There may well be something about The Flash which resonated with Gunn, hence why he decided to enlist Andy Muschietti to helm The Brave and the Bold. However, as the immensely talented director behind the critically acclaimed Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy and The Suicide Squad (which is widely regarded to be among the DCEU's best releases), the fact he feels Muschietti is a safe bet for this Batman reboot has left many people perplexed. 

Yes, the director nailed the nostalgia factor with Michael Keaton's Caped Crusader, but like his IT sequel, The Flash was largely unremarkable with Muschietti's only real hit as a filmmaker still the first IT movie. 

The Flash didn't resonate with fans or moviegoers because it's an average, forgettable, and largely poorly executed piece of work. Maybe DC Studios added those awful cameos and that goofy final scene; that frees Muschietti of blame but poses worrying questions about the DCU's future. 
 

3. Gal Gadot vs. DC Studios

gal-gadot-wonder-woman

During the aforementioned Q&A, Gunn and Safran played frustratingly coy when asked about which actors would and would not be returning. While they wasted no time in sending Cavill and Johnson packing, a future for Ezra Miller was teased as was one for Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman. 

That seemed strange after DC Studios pulled the plug on Wonder Woman 3 as a result of Petty Jenkins' vision not fitting into what the company has planned for the new DCU. Still, it was easy enough to imagine a reboot following, though having Gadot's Amazon warrior stand tall alongside a new Batman and Superman seemed like a strange choice.

Earlier this month, Gadot reflected on meeting with the co-CEOs and confidently declared plans were in place for her to reprise the role...only for the Hollywood trades to run stories all but branding the actress a liar in the midst of a strike which means she can't respond. 

It's obvious DC Studios fed those sites the denial as Gadot was either stretching the truth as a power play or speaking out of turn. Either way, Gunn - who frequently chimes in on rumours across his social media platforms - has been oddly quiet, and this is another example of confusion reigning during this studio's earliest days. 
 

2. A Mix Of New And Returning Faces

Peacemaker-Premiere-marquee-61df936d0c55d3-04198611-copy

Nepotism feels like the incorrect word to throw around here, but it's strange that the DCEU actors currently set to appear in the DCU are primarily those who Gunn worked with on The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker

Waller is an example of that, as are plans for Peacemaker season 2; even Sean Gunn will reprise his role as Weasel in Creature Commandos despite the fact his co-star from The Suicide Squad, Nathan Fillion, will go from playing T.D.K. to Green Lantern. What should have surely been a line-wide reboot is now a weird mashup of the old DCEU and the new DCU. 

At this stage, we're happy to bid farewell to all the DCEU actors (yes, including Cavill and even Ben Affleck) because that feels like the right move for the brand. Instead, we'll have a new Superman and Lois Lane, but the same Harley Quinn and Peacemaker. It's really no wonder some fans are upset about Cavill being fired, for example, when those who were every bit as culpable for this franchise never really taking off are receiving a second chance. 

Saying goodbye to talented actors who made these characters their own wouldn't be easy, but if the Spider-Man franchise can survive two reboots, so could the DCEU. 
 

1. Too Much Uncertainty

DC-Studios-Logo-Temp-Featured-01-copy

This is by far the biggest problem right now. As we've mentioned, the DCU slate is incredibly exciting. Between a new Superman movie, a Green Lantern TV series, and the fact characters Booster Gold, Swamp-Thing, and Robin are about to get their due, how could you not be excited as a comic book fan?

The issue is a lack of transparency on DC Studios' part. Heading into The Flash, Gunn said the movie would "reset" the DCEU despite the fact it comes out before Blue Beetle and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. The former won't be set in the DCU but features a DCU character; the latter, on the other hand, is expected to be Jason Momoa's final appearance as Arthur Curry before he becomes Lobo. 

None of this makes any logical sense. We're not asking for DC Studios' future plans to be laid out on a plate for us, but it doesn't actually feel like they have a plan. Instead, 2024 is being used as a palette cleanser before 2025 kicks off by introducing a new DCU with some of the same actors and a lot of different ones because a Multiverse exists and this is just another DC Universe. It's "just 'cause" storytelling at its worst. 

That's one thing for fans to wrap their heads around, but is your mom, uncle, or best pal who has never read a comic book really going to know the difference? Sure, Superman has a new face, but they'll also remember all those bad DCEU movies and will be seeing many of those same actors from a time DC Studios should be hoping we all forget!

We hope this reboot isn't doomed to fail, but it's not looking good, is it?
 

What Entries In The Upcoming DCU Could End Up Being Rated R?
Related:

What Entries In The Upcoming DCU Could End Up Being Rated R?

DC Studios Boss James Gunn Talks Comic Accuracy And Addresses Confusion About PEACEMAKER Being DCU Canon
Recommended For You:

DC Studios Boss James Gunn Talks Comic Accuracy And Addresses Confusion About PEACEMAKER Being DCU Canon

DISCLAIMER: As a user generated site and platform, ComicBookMovie.com is protected under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and "Safe Harbor" provisions.

This post was submitted by a user who has agreed to our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. ComicBookMovie.com will disable users who knowingly commit plagiarism, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement. Please CONTACT US for expeditious removal of copyrighted/trademarked content. CLICK HERE to learn more about our copyright and trademark policies.

Note that ComicBookMovie.com, and/or the user who contributed this post, may earn commissions or revenue through clicks or purchases made through any third-party links contained within the content above.

1 2
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 8/14/2023, 12:11 PM
1. James Gunn being in charge
GhostDog
GhostDog - 8/14/2023, 12:16 PM
7. Videogames as a tie-in
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 8/14/2023, 12:18 PM
WB anytime they try to get someone to head DC
Origame
Origame - 8/14/2023, 12:21 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - you should Google it. It's worth a google.
Origame
Origame - 8/14/2023, 12:19 PM
5) ah yes. It doesn't make sense because movies that aren't connected to the dcu were bad. Great logic there. The only 2023 movie that is connected is blue beetle, and you haven't seen that yet.

Also, he didn't say it would be better. He said he was taking lessons he learned working in marvel studios but is doing something different overall.

4) how about we give Andy a break, ok? The dude came into an already troubled production with an actor who basically sabotaged the production. And even then, audiences enjoyed it. I'm at least open enough to want to see a brave and the bold trailer from him.

3) as Gunn said, if he or Safran didn't say it, it's not confirmed.

2) yet you guys had no trouble buying Patrick Stewart as a different universe Charles Xavier.

1) the way you said it made perfect sense. Blue beetle will be the first dcu movie. Aquaman 2 will be the last dceu movie. Aquaman will be recast. And mamoa will play Lobo.

What's so illogical about this? Is it really the fact aquaman 2 is set to release after blue beetle? Come on.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 8/14/2023, 12:29 PM
@Origame - Preach brother!
ducko
ducko - 8/14/2023, 1:51 PM
@Origame - I agree with what you're saying! The only thing is Blue Beetle is not the first DCU movie. That seems to be the most confusing part to people. Superman: Legacy is the first DCU movie. Blue Beetle is the first DCU character. This movie was written as part of the DCEU and, from what I've heard, references that universe. The character will appear in the DCU, likely with the same actor, but anything that happens in this movie will be ignored. It's not part of the story Gunn and his team have put together.
Origame
Origame - 8/14/2023, 2:43 PM
@ducko - well yeah. Superman legacy is the first intentional dcu movie and blue beetle was intended for the dceu when it was made. However, blue beetle is now retroactively being considered a dcu film.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 8/14/2023, 12:22 PM
Things only don't make sense for Josh when it comes to DC projects.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/14/2023, 12:48 PM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - The box office might disagree with you there.
Origame
Origame - 8/14/2023, 1:25 PM
@ObserverIO - today I learned being uninteresting is the same as being nonsensical.
Forthas
Forthas - 8/14/2023, 12:25 PM

I want to know why the majority of people that have been hired for Creature Commando, Superman Legacy and the returning heroes from the former DCEU are older than Henry Cavill yet he is supposedly "too old" to play Superman. I smell...


BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 8/14/2023, 12:51 PM
@Forthas - 🎯🎯🎯
Murderisbadong
Murderisbadong - 8/14/2023, 12:51 PM
@Forthas - Uh. Creature Commando is animated? Age has nothing to do with that movie? David Corenswet is 29, Superman is in his early 30s in that movie. By the time this movie gets written and into production Cavill be 42-43. I feel like you’re just baiting in this comment.
Forthas
Forthas - 8/14/2023, 1:04 PM
@Murderisbadong -

1) Uh! James Gunn said the voice actors will ALSO be the live action versions (although I am sure that is another lie).

2) OK! So Cavill will be 42-43....Nathan Filian, Frank Grillo, Indira Varma, Jason Mamoa, David Harbour, Sean Gunn, Viola Davis, Alan Tudyk, Edi Gathegi, John Cena, Chukwudi Iwuji and Steve Agee will ALL BE OLDER!...and Anthony Carrigan will be the same age!
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 8/14/2023, 1:25 PM
@Forthas -
ducko
ducko - 8/14/2023, 2:07 PM
@Forthas - People keep harping on this. No one ever said Cavill was too old to play Superman. Cavill is too old to play Superman in the story that Gunn has written. Superman is younger in this universe. That's ok. Cavill is ok and has moved on. Let's all do that too.
Forthas
Forthas - 8/14/2023, 3:47 PM
@ducko - I cringe when I hear the argument you are trying to make because it is nearly an identical reasoning that Zack Snyder gave among others to cast Ben Affleck as Batman and shove Christian Bale to the side. That is the original sin of DC Warner Brothers that sent them spiraling into the black hole of failure they are in today.

Christian Bale is by far a more popular and successful Batman than Affleck will ever dream to be and yet Snyder came up with contrived reasons why he needed an “old grizzled” Batman so that he must hire Affleck. For what? Christian Bale is literally only one year younger than Affleck and Snyder told the executives at Warner Brothers that he by continuing with Christopher Nolan’s universe he would needed Joseph Gordon Levitt to become Batman and he was not sure that would work despite the fact Christian Bale’s Batman was not dead and could have easily come back as Batman like he did in Batman Begins after he was declared dead and like he did in The Dark Knight Rises after he retired. Snyder made all that up, and forced the studio into having to reintroduce Batman to the general audience. They already had a Batman but that arrogant prick decided it was a better idea to flush all the goodwill the Dark Knight films garnered for DC, and gamble that the audience would accept Affleck's Batman as much as Bale's which NEVER happened.

Fast forward to today and here we go all over again. A hot shot director makes up false reasons why he needs to get rid of a Superman actor that fans love and again gamble that they will accept the new one just as much. Then he comes up with blatantly absurd reasons that have already been proven false. He did not need to get rid of Cavill for the sake of a reboot given that other people from the DCEU are coming back and the fact that he is older does not seem to matter because if Cavill were this universe Superman, he would be among the youngest in the cast thus far.

I don't complain about this because I care what happens to Cavill (I am very sure he will do just fine) it is for the sake of DC fans like myself since for now the second time Warner brothers has sidelined a fan favorite actor for the sake of cronyism.
ducko
ducko - 8/15/2023, 1:01 AM
@Forthas - Christian Bale has been very public about the fact that he would never return as Batman without Nolan, so that entire ranting, bitter paragraph is a moot point. Not to mention, while I wasn't a fan of Affleck's Batman, that doesn't mean I think one actor should play one character for their entire career. Director casts actor to portray character in movie THEY WROTE and THEY'RE DIRECTING. End of story. There are any number of reasons that and other decisions are made. Maybe he just didn't like his acting. You're not owed a reason. Did you write this story? Is this a character you created? No. Watch the movie or don't, but crying online and parroting people's "cronyism" claims is childish. Look at ANY DIRECTOR IN HISTORY and they reuse actors that they work well with and respect. He didn't "need" to get rid of Cavill, he wanted to. That's his prerogative.
Forthas
Forthas - 8/15/2023, 3:01 AM
@ducko - Christian Bale has said that when it comes to his career he will "never say never." People such as yourself have read into his statement that working with Nolan is the ONLY circumstance in which he would have come back. Bale has never stated that is the ONLY circumstance in which he would return.

Nobody is suggesting that one actor is supposed to play a role their entire career, but it somewhat defeats the purpose of a shared universe when the studio reboots an actor especially for no reason. Yes! Directors DO cast the actors they want to portray a character they wrote/ directed. That is certainly true but that is NOT the end of the story. That same director then goes out and tries to sell that actor in that role to an audience and if the audience rejects said actor in that movie that they wrote and directed (Batman v Superman) then the studio loses money and credibility, the director is replaced and the IP rebooted the very cycle that Warner Brothers finds itself in now. From a business standpoint if you have a popular actor in roles that made them popular maybe a studio would not lose money. The responsibility to deliver the most marketable film is ALSO the job of the director especially those with large budgets and choosing actors based on vanity and not the prospect of profitability fails their employer and the employers supporters. In this particular case the director expressed the reasons why they went the route they did which means they are either stupid or they are liars given that the choices made defies any semblance of business sense.

"Did you write this story? Is this a character you created? No. Watch the movie or don't, but crying online and parroting people's "cronyism" claims is childish."

That is true, I did not write the story or create the character but filmmaking is a public art subject to public criticism so this point makes no sense!

It absolutely is his prerogative to get rid of Henry Cavill just like it is the prerogative of the film goers that a studio and director panders to to reject that decision, criticize it and withold their support. Kind of what happened to Shazam 2, and then the Flash and what do we see now, the director of Blue Beetle thanking Zack Snyder and explaining how he references Man of Steel. Wait! But I thought we moved on from that? Oh! I guess we have not when the studio and director need the fans they repeatedly disrespect and call "childish" and "toxic" no longer support them. Then the fawning over what came before and how much they want to show respect to it rears its head. ANY DIRECTOR IN HISTORY may have worked with actors they liked but they did not LIE to the fanbase they then turn around and pander to. If Gunn did not want to work with Cavill for personal reasons then say so and take the consequences like a man which in this case is the loss of support and interest in what he is trying to do and therefore loss of money for his employer.




ducko
ducko - 8/16/2023, 2:01 PM
@Forthas - "I had a pact with Chris Nolan," Bale recently told Screen Rant. "We said, ‘Hey, look. Let’s make three films, if we’re lucky enough to get to do that. And then let’s walk away. Let’s not linger too long. In my mind, it would be something if Chris Nolan ever said to himself, ‘You know what, I’ve got another story to tell.’ And if he wished to tell that story with me, I’d be in." -- Christian Bale

"We didn't fire Henry. Henry was never cast," Gunn said, per The Hollywood Reporter. "For me, it's about who do I want to cast as Superman and who do the filmmakers we have want to cast. And for me, for this story, it isn't Henry. I like Henry, I think he's a great guy," he continued. "I think he's getting dicked around by a lot of people, including the former regime at this company. But this Superman is not Henry, for a number of reasons." -- James Gunn
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 8/14/2023, 12:29 PM
I agree with 3 out of 5 these.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 8/14/2023, 12:30 PM
My biggest problem so far is with Blue beetle, creature commandos, and Superman legacy, I'm still not sure what the actual start to the DCU is.
Order66
Order66 - 8/14/2023, 12:35 PM
@MCUKnight11 - I think it’s Creature Commandos.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 8/14/2023, 12:39 PM
@Order66 - Then why is Blue beetle the first character? Also an animated series based off a C-list property is probably not the best entry point for something that should be seen as the true competitor to the MCU.
ducko
ducko - 8/14/2023, 2:11 PM
@MCUKnight11 - Superman: Legacy is the first DCU movie. Creature Commandos is the first DCU animated title. Blue Beetle is the first DCU character (story isn't cannon).
nibs
nibs - 8/14/2023, 12:30 PM
announcing muschetti as director for brave and the bold was just to try generate interest in the flash, that was never actually happening
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 8/14/2023, 1:50 PM
@nibs - oh. Okay.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 8/14/2023, 12:32 PM
I don't even hate Muschietti as a director, but it's still baffling based on pure numbers how he got the Batman gig.
1 2
View Recorder