BREAKING STORY! THE REAL 'STAR WARS' PREQUELS SCRIPT HAS BEEN FOUND! (by headlopper)

BREAKING STORY! THE REAL 'STAR WARS' PREQUELS SCRIPT HAS BEEN FOUND! (by headlopper)

The screenplay for a 'Star Wars' prequels is paradoxically right IN the dialogue between Obi-Wan and Luke in his adobe. Read through the ACTUAL quotes and the comments afterwards. Grieve as you read what MIGHT HAVE been if the prequels were done right!

Editorial Opinion
By headlopper - Sep 24, 2011 05:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

1)"He didn't hold with your father's ideals; that he should have stayed here and not gotten involved"
2)"I was once a Jedi knight the same as your father"
3)"He was the best Star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior...and he was a good friend"
4)"Which reminds me, I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. Thought you might follow old Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
5)..."It your father's light saber..."
6)"For over a 1000 generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic, before the dark times- before the empire!"
7)"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights....now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the force."
8)"General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars, now he begs you to help in his struggle against the empire."
Obi-wan, Owen and Anakin were from the planet Tatooine.
Anakin and Owen were brothers.
Obi-wan and Anakin were good friends ON Tatooine. Anakin was a young man; late teens early 20's. The Clone Wars were raging at the time, threatening the stability of the Republic.
Jedi Knights were tasked to lead military assets to engage what ever enemy the Jedi were fighting on behalf of the Republic.
The empire was completely different from the Republic based upon what Obi-wan said, it's surmised that the empire usurped the Republic ruling authority, and with resources they had, in conjunction with Anakin's intimate knowledge of Jedi culture, 'hunted down and destroyed' the Jedi over time. The betrayal gave the empire the edge it needed to succeed.
Luke was born and obviously very young when Obi-wan and Anakin left Tatooine to join the Republic to fight as Jedi(Obi-Wan would train him) in the Clone war. Anakin must have left Luke to his brother Owen to serve as guardian until his return.
He obviously visited Luke during the war when he was too young to remember, and left his 1st light saber with Owen to give to Luke when he was 'old enough', not knowing when the war would end and he would return.
Also, Anakin obviously had a sexual relationship with someone on Tatooine, but she, Luke's mother, is never mentioned.
The Clone war must have been controversial because Obi-wan mentions that Owen felt it wasn't 'worth getting involved' in.
Here is the framework for the screenplay of a prequel, if ever!
No one ,I mean NO ONE wants to see Jedi Knights hunted down and killed like vermin! We love Jedi, we don't want to see them killed as described by Obi-wan.
What Lucas SHOULD HAVE focused on as a foundation for prior events to 'New Hope' was right above in the actual quotes from HIS own movie!
A)Lets see Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship on Tatooine. How did they meet? How did they become 'good friends'?!
B) Let's explore Anakin's relationship with whoever he had a child with. His family life and how he developed into such a great pilot!
C)Tell us about how the Clone Wars started. Who are the clones? Who's controlling them and how is the germ of usurpation developing simultaneously.
D)Show us HOW the Jedi knights were the 'guardians of peace and justice' in the 'Old Republic'. Show us major Jedi action defending the Republic with Republic troops (they were generals!)against the clones or whoever! Show us the service the Jedi rendered to the Republic and the enemies they faced while displaying incredible Jedi Knight action throughout the films.
E)When Anakin starts to 'be seduced by the dark side of the force', THAT'S WHEN THE MOVIE ENDS! ROLL THE CREDITS! Pop 'New Hope' into the DVD player. We know what happens after Anakin turns to the dark side of the force. We, as 'Star Wars' fans don't want to see an anti-climactic exhibition of the inevitable- that is Jedi's being slaughtered- it's not entertaining!
F) So many worlds could have been explored as the Jedi defend the Republic from threats, and during the Clone war- what a waste! I would have loved to see them. That's one of the things which makes 'Star Wars ' so special - it takes us to fantastic places!
G) And just as a bonus suggestion, Lucas show us how Chewbacca, Han and Lando met. Maybe a little back story on these characters. I'd like to watch the poker game Lando lost the Millennium Falcon to Han in!
Lord, what a prequel trilogy we could have had!(sigh)

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Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 9/24/2011, 6:17 PM
Im confused o.O
headlopper
headlopper - 9/24/2011, 7:06 PM
@Armageddon26- Use the force.
golden123
golden123 - 9/24/2011, 8:49 PM
This isn't really an editorial. You have more non-original material than original thoughts, and I believe Attack of the Clones is the best Star Wars film. I don't really hate any of the Star Wars movies although Phantom Menace could use major reworking. I just don't beleive in any of the six Episodes are bad. I'm fine with the way it was. Besides these idea sound alot worse.
DarthBryan
DarthBryan - 9/24/2011, 8:49 PM
Most of the things you said you wanted your dream prequels to address WERE addressed in the movies, duh. They showed all that! Your version would not have been nearly as good as the real thing was, sorry. And to say that the slaughter of the Jedi wasn't entertaining?? I felt a lump in my throat the whole time, it almost brought me to tears. Your article is worthless and just plain wrong.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/24/2011, 10:17 PM
@darthbryan- Then so is Lucas. The quotes are literal.
They frame the past events which did not play out as the dialogue described. There are many incongruities between what Obi-Wan describes happened in the past, and what happened in SW 1,2&3. It's as simple as that.
Jedi's are our heroes and no, it's not entertaining to watch them die. A true Star Wars fan will understand. I respect your difference of opinion, but it's not based on fact. The facts are in the dialogue above.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/24/2011, 10:26 PM
@golden123- Did I write they were bad? Read it again.
I said it's not congruous with what Obi-Wan described happened back in the day. THAT is what the prequels should have been based upon: 3 movies that flesh out what Obi-Wan describes to Luke happened in the past ,and his adventures with his father. If you prefer the prequels rather than an accurate story-telling of what Obi-Wan tells Luke, that's you prerogative but, I'm a Star Wars purist- so I don't.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 1:44 PM
@yossarian- I made no assumptions, I listened to what Obi-Wan said and according to his conversation with Luke
the prequels, if there were to be any, HAD to accord with the foundation Obi-Wan established in his description of events prior to 'New Hope' in his adobe with Luke.
I own no assumptions OR opinions on the subject. I defend what Obi-Wan said occurred in the past regarding the Republic, Jedis, Anakin, the Clone wars and the rise of the Empire.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 2:00 PM
@WittySupername- Wrong. Owen said he feared Luke would become like 'his father'( Vader). His wife said he's not a farmer, that he has too much of his father in him. Owen replies , "That's what I'm afraid of".
Obi-wan looked away ,and then back at Luke when Luke asked how his father died. It's obvious Lucas wanted to imply through body language that Obi-Wan was equivocating. So 'Empire' fix PERFECTLY in accord with the 'New Hope' storyline AND dialogue.
It doesn't matter how many drafts there were, all that matters is what made it to film. The films are what we have, so we go from there.
Again, what Obi-Wan described to Luke as a chronology of past events is incongruous with the prequels. And I maintain that if the prequels were made according to the dialogue spoken in 'New Hope' by Obi-Wan , they would have been epic.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 2:02 PM
@WittySupername- Wrong. Owen said he feared Luke would become like 'his father'( Vader). His wife said he's not a farmer, that he has too much of his father in him. Owen replies , "That's what I'm afraid of".
Obi-wan looked away ,and then back at Luke when Luke asked how his father died. It's obvious Lucas wanted to imply through body language that Obi-Wan was equivocating. So 'Empire' fix PERFECTLY in accord with the 'New Hope' storyline AND dialogue.
It doesn't matter how many drafts there were, all that matters is what made it to film. The films are what we have, so we go from there.
Again, what Obi-Wan described to Luke as a chronology of past events is incongruous with the prequels. And I maintain that if the prequels were made according to the dialogue spoken in 'New Hope' by Obi-Wan , they would have been epic.
golden123
golden123 - 9/25/2011, 2:29 PM
@headlopper: Maybey, Obi-Wan looked away and said "That's what I'm afraid of" because Luke's father really did get himself killed, and I assume Obi-Wan didn't want to see Luke die. There are other possibilities, you know?
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 3:00 PM
@golden123- Owen, Anakin's brother(Vader) said, "that's what I'm afraid of" in his kitchen with Beru, his wife(what was that purple stuff they were drinking?).
Obi-Wan wanted to spare Luke the pain of learning the truth about his father; what he became(a Sith). He wanted Luke to know that his father was a good man , and he was, before being seduced by the dark side of the force. Which is why Obi-Wan equivocated. Vader was seduced by evil, like Judas Iscariot, to betray good, noble people- the Jedi knights.
It would have been devastating for Luke to learn what his father had become, and he wouldn't understand the particulars hearing of the 'force' for the very first time, you know?
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 3:04 PM
@fangz- Thanks man, you get it.
About the title: I'ts just to grab attention.(a method I learned in journalism class)
Wadey09
Wadey09 - 9/25/2011, 3:06 PM
@headlopper
i'm a big Star Wars fan like almost everyone else on this site. i grew up with fans as my parents and siblings.
so naturally, i became a fan as well.

but if you look at the context of the conversation, then you would realize that Lucas did most everything that you said already. and do you not remember the fact other conversations between Luke and Kenobi?
"Truth is a point of view."
in other words, the very conversation that you are using to base your article on is the doctored edition that Kenobi spoon fed Luke to get him to do what needed to be done.

you put a lot of effort into making this article and i do not begrudge you your opions as others would.
but imo, talking about what could have been instead of what will be is counter productive.

this could make an excellent Fan Fic that i wouldn't mind reading. why dont you take a shot at it?

your ideas aren't bad. and i wouldn't mind reading some more.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 3:54 PM
@ Wadey09- Repectfully, that's an assumption. I thank you for your encouragement, however we must assume Obi-Wan, a Jedi Knight would not deceive Luke so.
We have to accept Obi-Wan was truthful in describing the past events, personal and social, to Luke.
As such, the dialogue should have dictated the prequels screenplay to maintain integrity of retro-continuity, if you will.
As for the dialogue being accurately represented in the prequels:
(Quote 1) Anakin was old enough to have ideals regarding the clone wars. He was anxious to 'get involved'. In SW #1, he's a kid without a clue , and there was no war throughout the galaxy, only an isolated conflict on Naboo.
Quote #4) Obi-Wan NEVER set foot on Tatoowine, met Anakin or became friends and followed him on some 'damn idealistic crusade'.
Qui-Gon Jinn met Anakin on Tatoowine. Obi-Wan was never involved in any interaction with Anakin on Tatoowine.
Quote 4&5) Owen had Anakin's light saber, but 'wouln't allow it' to be given to him, so obviously Obi-Wan held on to it. He said Anakin wanted Luke to have it when he was old enough, but in SW #3, Anakin doesn't even know he has kids on the way-!, let alone wanting his light saber given to Luke. Moreover Anakin never says in SW#3, "give my light saber to my son!" How could he; he didn't EVEN know Padme was pregnant as far I remember!
Qoute #7) Vader NEVER helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi. It would have taken years anyhow; they were spread all over the galaxy( ..."the Jedi Knights were guardian of peace and justice..." Can't guard peace and justice if you're not physically there).
He only killed a hand full of Jedi and a few kids on Coruscant. Also, there wasn't EVEN AN Empire at the time, just the Republic, so how can he help the 'empire' hunt them down?
I can site more, but the incongruities are ostensible!
The prequels simply do not accord with the dialogue in 'New Hope'.Simple as that.
And as for Vader 'redeeming' himself by killing Palpatine: Untrue.
Vader had one objective in mind when he threw the emperor down to his death, only ONE; to save HIS SON'S LIFE! Not to 'repent', or for revenge, just to save the life of his son he never got to know.
Wadey09
Wadey09 - 9/25/2011, 4:31 PM
@headlopper
you are basing this on an assumption that is not founded with what we all know about Obi-Wan.

in Ep IV, Owen calls Kenobi (now Ben) a crazy old hermit. later we realize that he is neither crazy or a hermit, but a Jedi in hiding.

at the end of Ep III, we see Kenobi give Owen and his wife Beru a baby, Luke.

there is a 19 year gap between III and IV. in Eps II and III, we see Owen as a young determined and solemn man who has already made peace with his life.
in Ep IV we are introduced to an Owen who is protective and a little grouchy.

Obi-Wan on the other hadn't really changed that much. he was still wise beyond his years with a hint of eccentricity that all Jedi have.

i guess you have never read the Expanded Universe which explains that he spent several years hunting down the remaining knights.

but in all seriousness, you're just looking a tad bit too deep into it. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope was released over thirty years ago. and you are pointing out a continuity error that Lucas made over a small bit of dialogue.

i guarantee Lucas is not the first and definitley not the last to be one to do so. i understand the point of your article unlike a few who were mislead by the title and know that this is just a "what could have been."

but if you are looking for a movie franchise that has a solid continuity, i'm afraid that even i am still looking for it.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/25/2011, 4:44 PM
@Wadey09- well said. I would just characterize the article as 'what should have been' based on the dialogue, rather than what 'could have been'.
But thanks for an intelligent response. :)
kriswone
kriswone - 9/26/2011, 7:50 AM
From reading your article I can tell that you had preconceived notions of what you wanted for episodes 1-3, due to this you were blind to see the answers to all your questions.

I can tell that you have only watched the 6 movies in the saga, discounting the Clone Wars Movie and the Clone Wars Series, as well as any Star Wars video games. Everything produced by Lucas Arts (books, art, movies, TV, games, etc...) is Cannon. It is an Add-on to the movies and the overall universe that is Star Wars.

I wish more people would stop being blinded by what they wanted and take a good long hard look at what you were given.

And for the record "...some damn fool idealistic crusade..." refers to the Jedi Order, it is a Naïve statement made by a moisture farmer on a desert planet.
kriswone
kriswone - 9/26/2011, 8:34 AM
1)"He didn't hold with your father's ideals; that he should have stayed here and not gotten involved"
Anakin and Owen had different parents; Owen was born on the Core world Ator (very far from Tatooine). Cliegg Lars bought and freed and married Shmi Skywalker, Making Anakin and Owen step brothers.

2)"I was once a Jedi knight the same as your father"
This is pretty obvious, not sure what you want from this one.

3)"He was the best Star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior...and he was a good friend"
During the process of Jedi training, Obi was his Master, again, obvious.

4)"Which reminds me, I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. Thought you might follow old Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
Thoughts of a narrow minded Moisture farmer on a desert planet, and the fact that Anakin blamed the Lars’s for Shmi’s death because they were too weak.

5)..."It your father's light saber..."
…”UH DUH”…

6)"For over a 1000 generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic, before the dark times- before the empire!"
Pretty much sums up the entire saga.

7)"A young Jedi named Darth Vader , who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights....now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the force."
How many padawans do you think Obi had? Here obi is simply indirectly saying your father is a dinkus.

8)"General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars, now he begs you to help in his struggle against the empire."
Leia is referring to Bail Organa NOT Anakin, liea’s name is leia Organa not skywalker or naberrie.
kriswone
kriswone - 9/26/2011, 8:58 AM
A)Lets see Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship on Tatooine. How did they meet? How did they become 'good friends'?!

Obi & Ani met on a Naboo spacecraft that was flying above the planet Tatooine. Did you even watch ep 1?

B) Let's explore Anakin's relationship with whoever he had a child with. His family life and how he developed into such a great pilot!

Padme? Pod-racing? Did you even watch ep 1?

C)Tell us about how the Clone Wars started. Who are the clones? Who's controlling them and how is the germ of usurpation developing simultaneously.

The dark side controlled the senate, created/initiated the separatists. Did you even watch ep 1 or ep 2?

D)Show us HOW the Jedi knights were the 'guardians of peace and justice' in the 'Old Republic'. Show us major Jedi action defending the Republic with Republic troops (they were generals!)against the clones or whoever! Show us the service the Jedi rendered to the Republic and the enemies they faced while displaying incredible Jedi Knight action throughout the films.

Jedi Ambassadors. Jedi were not Generals until the clone wars, as there was no army, hence THEY WERE “the guardians of peace and justice”. The clones were made FOR the republic. Did you even watch ep 1 or ep 2?

E)When Anakin starts to 'be seduced by the dark side of the force', THAT'S WHEN THE MOVIE ENDS! ROLL THE CREDITS! Pop 'New Hope' into the DVD player. We know what happens after Anakin turns to the dark side of the force. We, as 'Star Wars' fans don't want to see an anti-climactic exhibition of the inevitable- that is Jedi's being slaughtered- it's not entertaining!

It was needed, you had to be mad at Darth Vader, and fear the republic, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense. Child.

F) So many worlds could have been explored as the Jedi defend the Republic from threats, and during the Clone war- what a waste! I would have loved to see them. That's one of the things which makes 'Star Wars ' so special - it takes us to fantastic places!

Did you watch any of the first 3 movies that took place on 11 planets and mentions a further 10. There are even more if you include the Clone Wars movie.??? (Tatooine, Naboo, Kamino, Kashyyyk, Coruscant, Felucia, Geonosis , Mustafar, Mygeeto, Saleucami, Polis Massa, Utapau)

G) And just as a bonus suggestion, Lucas show us how Chewbacca, Han and Lando met. Maybe a little back story on these characters. I'd like to watch the poker game Lando lost the Millennium Falcon to Han in!
Lord, what a prequel trilogy we could have had!(sigh)

I don’t think any of that would have helped.
kriswone
kriswone - 9/26/2011, 9:36 AM
Did you actually watch the movies?

I am having such a hard time with this article.

Your title is attractive but misleading (like a woman)

Your header is a paradox, unlike the paradox you are trying to highlight with it.

Your numbering and alpha-ing is split (Why?) via paragraph.

That paragraph leads off with a completely false statement:
"Obi-wan, Owen and Anakin were from the planet Tatooine." but really it's more like this: Obi is from Stewjon, Anakin is from Tatooine, Owen is from Ator

Then follows up with a semi-false statement:
"Anakin and Owen were brothers." - They were Step Brothers, Anakin is an ONLY child and his father is THE FORCE.

Then another semi-false statement:
"Obi-wan and Anakin were good friends ON Tatooine."
Where did you even get this statement from, did you make this up? Are you referring to the Clone Wars Movie?

Then another semi-false statement:
"Anakin was a young man; late teens early 20's. The Clone Wars were raging at the time, threatening the stability of the Republic."
This is possibly miss-worded, did you mean to say:
"Anakin was a young man; late teens early 20's. The Separatist Movement was raging at the time, threatening the stability of the Republic, which would lead to the clone wars."

I am going to stop now, but i could go on and on, this article is misleading to newcomers to the star wars franchise and offending to Star Wars fans, I hope that you take a deeper look at what you have posted, review the movies again and post an update with your new found insights. I would be happy to read it.
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 9/26/2011, 10:55 AM
While I like your suggestions ((particularly the bonus one)), I'm quite satisfied with the current prequels. Granted, there were quite a few inconsistencies ((Anakin's relationship with Owen NOT being one of them, seeing as Owen was his step-brother)) that I would love to see fixed. I also would love to see an explanation for Chewbacca going from a decorated warrior in the Wookiee militia to being a space pirate, but even so.
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 9/26/2011, 10:58 AM
@Kriswone: Bravo, sir!
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 9/26/2011, 12:05 PM
everything you asked to happen, happenend. it was executed poorly but im wondering if you ever even watched the movies...

as many have said.... let it go. these were all things we noticed as we saw for the first time.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/26/2011, 1:13 PM
@kriswone- Thanks for your thorough response. You obviously care about Star Wars as I do.
I only care about SW 4,5 & 6. That's Star wars to me, and to most purists like myself. If you believe auxiliary Star Wars productions are canon, whether directly created by Lucas or farmed out to another per his approval, that's fine; many people enjoy that material. If there were no SW #4,5 & 6 , just SW #1,2 &3 I'd say they were pretty cool movies. But because there prequels, meant to tell a back story about my beloved Star Wars, then it should accord with what proceeded it. And what proceeded it was contained in the dialogue above. That's the framework for the prequels, and it didn't happen as described by Obi-Wan to Luke in his adobe.
I maintain, if it did, the prequels would have been excellent, not just,"hey ,that was a pretty cool movie". You know?
Your critique of my comments to debunk their verity is flawed.
However, it's good to see some passion in your defense because Star Wars is worth the emotional investment. We'll have to agree to disagree and hope Lucas , one day decides to make(or give someone the rights) Star Wars #7. How's this for a title: 'Star Wars: Rise of the New Republic'.

kriswone
kriswone - 9/26/2011, 1:42 PM
@Headlopper- I was hoping to get a retort worthy of reading, but by the looks of you article and your response to me, you do not have it in you.

My response to your response to me, on a sentence per sentence answer:

Your welcome.
If not more so.
I find your lack of care disturbing.
Purist you may be, but nothing was altered AT ALL, 1,2,& 3 are part of the whole, pure story.
It's cannon because George Lucas says so, otherwise It's called FAN FICTION.
I will ignore that sentence.
They were, they completely filled in what was needed and what they could, into 2+hrs.
I already refuted and invalidated YOUR THOUGHTS about what was contained in the dialogue.
Again, it was, it did.
ugh.
No, I do not know.
My critique may indeed be flawed, but it appears as though they have been completely disregarded.
I will quote my old boss (D.P.) "Takes alot of passion to fill my shoes!" - he wore mens size 8 shoes.
I will quote another on of my old boss's (R.B.) "Let's agree to disagree" - he would say this everytime he was wrong, until two people would disagree, then he would say things like "I misspoke"
"Rise" sounds to sithy for my blood, and I would think it would focus more on recreating the Jedi order and the solo children.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/26/2011, 4:23 PM
@kriswone- If you want a response to your critique of my statements, I'll refer you back up to my first response to Wadedy09; I wouldn't change a word. There I elaborate on Obi-Wan's conversation with Luke regarding how AND why they DID NOT play out in SW#1 ,2,&3 .
Sw #5 & 6 contain dialogue which verifies what Obi-Wan said to Luke in his adobe...with one exception- he had to explain his equivocation to Luke about Anakin/Vader, and Luke respectfully excepted it.
Look, I think your a cool guy and don't want to sound confrontational because no doubt we'll see each other's stuff in the comments and elsewhere, so I'm doing my best to keep the discussion cordial.
It seems to me you're immersed in the SW universe, which is cool, but I frankly don't like the auxiliary material other than the Clone Wars animated series, and 'Star Wars' Driods: The Pirate and the Prince. I own Battlefront 1&2 and played and beat 'The Force Unleashed' which was fun, but that's about it.
I feel I'm right regardless how you may differ with me; there are plenty of people I've discussed this issue with over the years who agree, and are more adamant about the issue than I am- even hostile.
That's my opinion on the subject, but my beliefs on the main subject of my article are based in the dialogue quoted above.
The proof I'm right is in the dialogue.
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 9/27/2011, 1:26 AM
kriswone - Dude... That was immense. If you ever need a Padawan, gimme a buzz!

headlopper - Firstly, "Adobe" is a company that makes computer programs. "Abode" is the droid you're looking for. Secondly, I simply don't agree with any of your quite baffling claims. You are sticking so, so rigidly to a line or two of dialogue and will not listen to counter-arguments. In ROTJedi, Obi-Wan himself admits that what he told Luke was "True, from a certain point of view", meaning that he wasn't entirely honest with Luke. Therefore, you cannot base your entire premise for this article on a conversation which was - by Obi-Wan's own admission - dishonest. Plus, as others have already mentioned, most of your wish list WAS covered in Phantom, Clones and Sith!!! Multiple planets & battlegrounds, the rise of the Empire, the destruction of the Jedi Order, the origin of the Clones, Obi-Wan & Anakin's friendship, Luke & Leia's mother.... ITS ALL THERE!!! It might not have been 100% what YOU personally wanted, but your argument simply doesn't wash.
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 9/27/2011, 2:59 AM
"He didn't EVEN know Padme was pregnant" - Yes he did.
"Vader NEVER helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi" - Yes he did.
"No one ,I mean NO ONE wants to see Jedi Knights hunted down and killed like vermin" - Yes we do.
"I only care about SW 4,5 & 6" - There's your problem.
In fact, you know what? I'm bored of this now. I feel like I'm marking a bad exam paper...
kriswone
kriswone - 9/27/2011, 6:14 AM
@Caedus137 AKA "Jacen Solo" AKA "Darth Caedus" - Thank You My Lord (Mainly for saving the Galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong, but that family stuff you did, tisk, tisk...)

Hopefully for my sake, this will be my last comment on this article.

I must say it was difficult for me to read this article, I do understand how someone can be close minded and narrow viewed, but the facts are so readily available to anyone looking for them it bothers me that no research was done to support an opinion piece.

Even if you simply watch the convo Obi and Luke have, you can tell via Obi's mannerisms that he is shaping his answers so Luke isn't overwhelmed by the weight of THE GALAXY.

Here is the video of Obi talking to Luke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbTFgQ4jxs
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 9/27/2011, 6:26 AM
kriswone - Exactly man. The sheer ignorance in this article just left me baffled. Very well played on the New Jedi Order / Jacen knowledge, though... The Force is Definitely strong in you...
headlopper
headlopper - 9/27/2011, 4:46 PM
@Caedus137 & kriswone-
Star Wars: A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back are SW gospel. They set the tone and narrative for everything that follows. That didn't happen.
Read the dialogue above. It wasn't fleshed out faithfully, and it should have been. What we got instead was an adulteration.
As for Obi-wan's comments to Luke on Degobah ,as I wrote, his 'point of view ' comment was ONLY meant to explain why he didn't tell the full truth about Anakin/Vader to Luke. It isn't implied Obi-Wan lied about the past . Why wound he?!
Adobe ( /əˈdoʊbi/, UK /əˈdoʊb/;[1] Arabic: الطوبى) is a natural building material made from sand, clay, water, and some kind of fibrous or organic material (sticks, straw, and/or manure), which the builders shape into bricks using frames and dry in the sun.
C'mon man, what are you trying to prove? You're wrong about the semantics of adobe and SW.
Again , I'm a SW purist, and we don't generally like SW 1,2 &3. They're good movies but an adulteration of ANH & TESB.
As for 'research' , if you mean auxiliary SW material , then no, I don't regard anything other than the movies as valid SW source material.
It's not 'close -minded' to care about a movie so as to not want it tainted by proceeding material that contradicts the ORIGINAL source material, which should have been based strictly on the dialogue above, AND it's elementary meaning.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/27/2011, 6:03 PM
@WittySupername - Beru: 'Luke's just not a farmer Owen; he has too much of his father in him".
Owen: " That's what I'm afraid of".
This imply's he knows Anakin became Vader, and was worried Luke might turn to the dark side too. That's why he 'wouldn't allow' him to have his light saber , and called Ob-Wan a 'crazy old wizard' . He knew Obi-Wan had the light saber, and the truth about Luke's father. I could be that he also didn't want Luke to be consequently killed as a result of learning the truth -that's implicit, he probably loved him as a son.
No, he wasn't a navigator on a spice freighter.
If you're right about the original draft, that's interesting info I've never heard.
Yet , it didn't make it to film, so we have to appreciate what did, such as the dialogue above.
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 9/28/2011, 1:45 AM
My last comment on the subject because I feel like Im banging my head against a brick wall - but you cant call yourslf a SW "Purist" if you only take New Hope and Empire as your material, to the exclusion of all the other films, books, shows, games etc... I'm the oppsite - I base my SW knowledge / lore on all 6 films, the Clone Wars, the old cartoons, the games, but maybe most importantly given my Username and Avatar - the Novels. There's just so much more to that Galaxy far, far away than just Tatooine, Hoth and Dagobah. Wouldn't you like to read about Luke re-establishing the Jedi Order? What about Han and Leia's Jedi children? Can you honeslty tell me that the rise of a new (and very controversial) Sith Lord and the Second Galactic Civil War doesn't sound appealing? There's so much more to SW if you just loosened your iron grip on 'Hope' and 'Empire'. But hey, no ill-feeling or anything - its good to hear a different viewpoint on things from time to time, but we're never gonna agree on this, so Darth Caedus out.
headlopper
headlopper - 9/28/2011, 6:16 PM
@Caedus137 & fangz- Thanx. Good discussion.
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