Writing Tips: What Makes a Good Screenplay, Fan-Fic or Not

Writing Tips: What Makes a Good Screenplay, Fan-Fic or Not

A few writing tips that may help aspiring writers in future endeavors. Also, share your tips here, too! Nobody knows it all! Everyone can learn!

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By BattlinMurdock - Aug 23, 2012 06:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Let me start off by saying this: I know this is an article that can come off as very presumptuous, so I'll go ahead and give my "qualifications" to dissipate any tension that may follow. My name is Cameron Carpenter and after completing six screenplays, two plays, five failed web-series, and a novel, I am not published or professional. However, last year, I won an award for distinguished journalistic writing in state-wide college newspaper competition. I didn't enter my own piece, other members of the staff at the paper did it for me...without telling me. I don't consider myself an amateur by any means, but I have a lot to learn. These are a few things that I've learned so far that I'd like to share with you. And my hope is that you all will have additions as well.



1. Story Comes Before Agenda

I have a friend, who is also an aspiring writer, who has sent me scripts and treatments to read over. And while he's not a bad writer, he's an awful storyteller. All of his screenplays and plays end up attempting to "give" some sort of message. And that's a major issue, because it doesn't matter how good the story is if a specific message is so overbearing in a work of fiction; it'll put people off.

Now, I'm a Christian, but I'll go ahead and tell you right now that I don't think I've ever seen a film made exclusively by Christians "for" Christians that I've enjoyed. Those movies cling to their agenda that every person is the same and has the same basic needs and that, no matter their situation, there's a complete solution for it all, and their movies suffer because they constantly give way to the message over the art. I've always had an opposite approach. I've told myself that I'll live as a Christian in the industry, treating people with respect, making fair judgement, and showing no discrimination to any member of different race, gender, sexuality, or religion. But I won't make "Christian" movies. Don't lose or alienate your audience. Remember that they're why you're in business, and they're who will keep you in business. And, fair note, any slamming of any religion or religious followers in the comment section will be deleted and not tolerated.


2. Give Your Characters Independent Goals

Understand that while you're writing a movie, possibly with a single protagonist, that the other characters in that movie exist in their own universe as real people. That means that, as a screenwriter or author, these people have to be living somewhere else and doing something else whenever they aren't on screen. It's an issue I had with Gwen Stacy in the new Spider-Man film. Her character doesn't seem to have a life on her own. We know she works at Oscorp and that she is very studious, but we're never given any insight to her passions or dreams or hopes; because of that, her character sort of becomes just another meandering body with some screentime that happens to have a relationship with the protagonist.

In my Daredevil scripts, I tried very hard to give every character their own motivations not to simply serve Matt. Karen Page has dreams of becoming a Hollywood actress, and as we see in Speak of the Devil, she acts upon those dreams. Foggy wants to keep things going as a respected lawyer and starts a relationship with a girl named Glori. Jack Murdock makes an attempt to be a better man for his son, but his character doesn't pander to Matt in a way that it can't be said Jack lives an independent lifestyle.

A good example is Selina Kyle in The Dark Knight Rises. Her character goal is incredibly simple: get the clean slate program. And while it may seem somewhat fleeting to normal viewers, it allows her character to exist outside the realm of a Batman movie and gives a bit more depth to her as a character. Motivation goes a long way.



3. Remember That Characters Are Their Own Living Entities and Should Speak as Such

We'll take a flipped look at out above examples. The Dark Knight Rises has an issue of making all the characters speak somewhat the same. When you read the script, everyone (based on dialogue) is interchangeable, predominantly because the characters talk as if they're trying to "thicken" or "move" the plot forward. It's like each character knows they're on a set path for some sort of collision and they all have to let each other know where they are in that progression, and it leads to very unnatural writing.

It's something that The Amazing Spider-Man does pretty well. A lot of the dialogue doesn't seemed forced or that it's aware that it's in a movie. It's very natural, as if that's how people truly speak. So, remember when you're writing characters that everyone should have their own flavor. Just be careful how much flavor you pepper on.


4. Don't Be Afraid to Circle Back Around to Specific Themes

In my Daredevil trilogy, a theme that appears nonstop is one of "fatherhood." If you'll notice, the good characters lose their fathers (Matt, Mickey) and the bad characters lose their children (Kingpin, Manolis). My movies are very much about finding one's identity through what someone has lost and if, ultimately, that's the right way of going about it. There is also an overwhelming sense of failure that rides throughout the film. Matt never really brings justice to the Fixer and he can't save Mickey's father in the first movie. In the second movie, he fails to save the people in the arena who are left to fight for their lives. And in the third film, the massive Hell's Kitchen battle leaves many dead and wounded. In essence, it's a testament that while one good man may not be enough, it's no excuse to stop being a good man.



5. Never Write if It Feels Like a Chore, But Write Every Single Chance You Can

If you're bored and you're putting stuff in a script or story just to move things along, that's exactly how it'll come across in your product. You won't be able to fool anyone. It's also important to realize that writing is an intimate look into your own head on specific scenarios. You'll find yourself at a dilemma, sometimes morally or ethically, about what should be done in a specific situation.

It was a little difficult having Bullseye give Richard Fisk AIDS in the middle of Speak of the Devil. It was a place I wasn't sure I wanted to go with the characters. But I gave it more thought and brainstormed with it more and eventually decided that it wasn't "my" story, but the characters'. I realized that what happened made sense for the characters and it opened up some channels for other characters to react accordingly. And I'm fairly sure it hasn't been done before, so that's a plus. I'll put it this way: don't write if you aren't willing to really question yourself about some things you just may not be ready for.

That's what I've got for you all. Now, what do you have for me and for each other?

Also, click here to check out JOLT17's posters for my DD trilogy, and be sure to vote it up so maybe it can end up on the main page!
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BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 8/23/2012, 7:17 PM
Nice article! These all seem like good tips. I especially agree with #1.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 8/23/2012, 7:29 PM
Adding to #5 here...

Write because you have to, because you are driven to it like a guitarist is driven to make as much obnoxious noise as possible. Because you don't want to do anything else and feel like it is the best thing in the world when you are building your story, writing your dialogue, and surprising your characters with your revelations.

It MAY feel like a chore at first because of course, you will have a terrible story that has to be changed around, characters who need to be reworked, conversations that need to be reworded, etc... and the block that you'll eventually run into will frustrate you to no end. You just have to keep writing.
95
95 - 8/23/2012, 7:45 PM
These are all great writing tips. You know your stuff. As for fan fiction writers on this site, I constantly recommend posting properly formatted work — in one article, not multiple "parts". Personally as a reader, I find that to be a tremendous turn-off.

Oh, and come up with new stories to tell instead of re-telling stories already shown in the feature films/animated series (which almost every Batman fan fiction is guilty of, give the League Of Assassins a break!). Originality and neat presentation gets a lot of comments and maybe even main page!

...or, in short: be more like @BattlinMurdock. Not copy him, but, you know... you know, follow in his example. Yeah.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 8/23/2012, 8:55 PM
These are great tips, thanks! :) Writing and directing is what I want to do with my life. I am only 16 but I have been working on a Mortal Kombat script that I want to eventually turn into a trilogy. My problem is I never finish the script because I am constantly criticizing my work and I am always finding myself starting over. Got any tips for that? I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/23/2012, 11:00 PM
I sense that BATTLINMURDOCK is gonna be a Editor soon. I can smell it.
DEADP0000L
DEADP0000L - 8/23/2012, 11:14 PM
this is some great staff here.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 8/23/2012, 11:21 PM
Nice write-up, man, and very good tips all around! I surely can use 'em for future use - in the learning process to be a decent writer, at this point.

Also, thanks for the shoutout! :)
mawilli4
mawilli4 - 8/23/2012, 11:24 PM
I've taken several screenwriting classes and these are all very good points, but remember to start with an outline. You need to know where the story is going before you write it.

Also, it's typically 3 acts, and everything needs to come back full circle. the Basic out line is

Act 1
Inciting Incident
Plot Point 1

Act 2
Inciting Incident
Plot Point 2
Climax

Act 3
Resoultion

This is by no means definitive, but it's helped me a lot.
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 8/23/2012, 11:25 PM
interesting article indeed. very good write up
CoolantTech
CoolantTech - 8/23/2012, 11:35 PM
Good write up dude, it seems that you have a little knowledge as far as storytelling goes, and I liked the bit about how each character should be their own person in films, not just to exist just so the protagonist could have material to work off of.

Man I hope your Daredevil sceenplay is good, we could really could use a good Daredevil cinematic tale because the truth is im probably the biggest DD fan next to you.
GraGar
GraGar - 8/23/2012, 11:56 PM
I agree
I've been meaning to finally write-up my Static Man story on Fan Fic
AsianVersionOfET
AsianVersionOfET - 8/24/2012, 12:02 AM
Holy shit. Yeah this is awesome, I thumbsed it the [frick] up.
Kayo
Kayo - 8/24/2012, 12:33 AM
great write up................way to go man
Guerillas
Guerillas - 8/24/2012, 1:20 AM
Really liked this article! aint no writer though, i´m way to lazy, but it would be cool i i wasn't. ps. nice view on christianity! some people are crazy but you are decent it seems.
gaikinger
gaikinger - 8/24/2012, 1:22 AM
Really great article with very intelligent and insightful responses. I have a great book that has both True Romance and Reservoir Dogs screenplays and is wonderful in its originality and structure. Some really good pointers can be found in it in regards to unconventional story telling.
lunesta
lunesta - 8/24/2012, 2:35 AM
@bomberman chris nolan knows how to write i like his batman script there very good I think who you should be saying that too is m night shamaladindong
lunesta
lunesta - 8/24/2012, 2:45 AM
See this website used to be the shit back then now it fagot chikenshit
Marvelites and nolanites heres a script it about how there bitching becomes a professional sport and they have to figth in steelcages it called marvelites and nolanites the street im out of this great article before I get some rabies or something
comiccow6
comiccow6 - 8/24/2012, 2:54 AM
I like to post my stories in parts, because to me, my own story doesn't feel complete. Also, I like DIALOGUE!!! It helps me get through the story, and gives me a sense of the character, in how they talk.
6of13
6of13 - 8/24/2012, 3:24 AM
Interesting article and well-written.

I think another fan-fic contest is a good idea. If a fan-fic (excluding fancasts) was featured on Main once a week, then perhaps it might inspire people to write more stories (and better stories) and help improve the standard. A little competition can actually be very healthy.

I think people get put off by the fan fic because it is not always formated correctly. Spelling, grammar and syntax are important but so is layout. I have seen some articles with just large walls of text. Fan fics need to be broken down into paragraphs or chapters within the body copy.

Somebody above commented about originality. I admit I don't always read the fan fic because sometimes it seems very uninspired.
UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 8/24/2012, 3:37 AM
Here's the only tip I can give (and it's a basic one):

Make the first draft full fat, "for you" and trim it down over the other drafts.

You start writing for other people and constraints from the off and it will quickly become a "chore". Do it for yourself first then omit and clean up the bits (like the writer's opinions on TDKR's script) that "don't work"
Emanuel14
Emanuel14 - 8/24/2012, 4:01 AM
Thanks dude, I love make screenplays
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 8/24/2012, 4:10 AM
I confirm 6of13's comment.

Fan Fic's do need to have a lot more appreciation today (they used to have a spotlight of their own, but today they are often ignored); but, yes, writers take notes: Formatting is important. Put something a bit catchy to add to the writing, and put texts in the proper format - bolds, italics, et cetera. I love reading Fan Fic's, but I have to admit, sometimes it's quite tiring to face such "walls of text", and stuffs like that often cause me to quit reading 'em.

About the content...well, that's a different thing, but the thing is, an enjoyable format allows for a better reading. :) Quite a useful tip there.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 8/24/2012, 4:56 AM
I went to school for screenwriting and graduated at the very top of my class. You'll learn a lot if you go to school for this stuff, but good luck getting a job.
theboywonder
theboywonder - 8/24/2012, 5:14 AM
A lot of people have trouble cutting elements or scenes in a screenplay that they love. Don't be afraid to "kill your darlings" if it's in better service to the story.
Orphix
Orphix - 8/24/2012, 5:15 AM
@BackwardGalaxy - Nice one!

I've got a masters from Bournemouth University in Screenwriting. And a lot of fun getting it it was too!!

As for tips - hmmm - maybe the one I would give is KNOW YOUR ENDING before you write anything.

Structure is pretty key and if you know your ending then everything else will start to come together. From it you'll work out how your story starts, how your characters are at the beginning and how they will develop.

Also, fundamentally it should direct you to what the themes are of your work. Let them come to you as opposed to deciding what they are and then trying to write a story about it.
Orphix
Orphix - 8/24/2012, 5:25 AM
2nd and 3rd tips!!

2) Always think visually when writing a screenplay. SHOW don't TELL. Not only is it a better way of being cinematic but its a fantastic way of showing subtext and creating three dimensial characters. Having characters say one thing and then in the next scene do the complete opposite is VERY compeling and makes us question and become interested in characters.

3) When putting together your cast of characters make sure they are all very different in outlook and goals. In fact make sure they are the complete opposite. I know alot of writers who draw a 'satelite diagram' of their characters. The main protagonist is in the middle and then you take thier main personality charactersistics (which hopefully in a three dimensional characters would be many and opposing) and then create characters who have completely opposite views. Watch Batman Begins and look at how they explore the themes of Fear, Justice, criminality, anger, through the various characters - not just Bruce Wayne.
Blackreverend
Blackreverend - 8/24/2012, 6:05 AM
Love this article man! I too am Christian and a animation student and I completely understand where you're coming from! I'd love to talk with u privately about a project I'm working on! Maybe we could even collab in the future :)

I also must say I'm kinda surprised to see how many qualified writers are actually on this site!

I have to agree with jpfola26 that fanfic here gets very little attention. I think it would make a huge difference if we could follow the members we like. Similarly to comicvine because unfortunately good fanfic is rare. I'm still seeing fancast with no pics or explanations why they pic their actor over another. You know what lol I won't bother list my fustrations.

Anyways please check out my latest work :) your feedback is priceless...
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BlacktotheFuture/news/?a=62760
Minato
Minato - 8/24/2012, 6:51 AM
GR8 Rtickule
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 8/24/2012, 7:35 AM
Very good sir!! Nice article!! I've been trying to start writing, and these tips help a lot.
Kyatollah
Kyatollah - 8/24/2012, 8:20 AM
@BattlinMurdock- As an aspiring writer (screen, graphic novel and literature,) every word of this made sense to me. I'm glad you decided to share this. My little brother wants to be a writer as well, and when he gets out of school today I'm going to show him this.
Also, that line in Tip 4: "...While one good man may not be enough, it's no excuse to stop being a good man." That is one of the most profound statements I've ever heard. Kudos to you, sir.
NerdyGeek
NerdyGeek - 8/24/2012, 9:21 AM
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