Kill The Theory: Why The FANTASTIC FOUR Won't Be Coming To The MCU Anytime Soon

1. You are grossly over-estimating the FF rights under Fox as a bargaining chip

2. 7 years is not enough time to recover from this bomb

You under-estimate the severity in which Fox has tarnished this brand. The demand for FF movie under Fox, heck even frommarvel is still pretty low. Fox can'T make use of it, whereas Marvel could, because they can now conceivably include characters like Galactus and Silver Surfer into films not requiring a FF film, creating new films out of it, like Annihilation inspired film, Secret Invasion,etc. What can Fox do? Make another FF film with no hope of expanding beyond it.

@Drdoom

Oh no I do feel one day FF will be in the MCU. Just not "anytime soon" like my title claims.

I would say it'll be within really the next 5 years before we know FF future.

@SteveRogers9

Took 8 years to give over Batman & Robin to Batman Begins.

Don't see why this can't happen with FF.

@Gusto

Lol this is like one of my shortest editorials ever.

@GliderMan - It's not going to work cause it's in France.

@LEVITIKUZ

8 years, time Fox doesn't even have. Let alone ignoring that Batman and Robin, while critically derided, was not actually a bomb. Lets not even mention that Batman is a far more popular character than the FF, and atleast was preceded by very successful films, while F4 has had nothing but duds.

Fant4stic 2 will live in the same plane of existence as Hellboy 3. Not happening.

Way to kick us all when we're down, Levi!

"Fant4stic 2 will live in the same plane of existence as Hellboy 3. Not happening."

I personally believe the rumo started because there has been talks between the studios. This kinda stuff doesnt just pop up.

Whoa, it's a LEVI editorial! Good. This place has been absolutely dead for a while now.

Thumbed just for the brilliant use of "The Unamazing Hipster- Douche 2: Rise of Blue Riddler"

Bravo LEVI. Bravo.

@LEVITIKUZ - The rumor originally stated that one of the mystery 2020 movies is F4....thats 5 years from now. I think its already a done deal, they'll just keep it on the d/l for a good while.

I suspect Marvel is being smart with this one. They are just going to wait until the rights revert back because A: There is little chance Fox is going to make another movie. B: So they won't have spend any money buying it back and C: To allow the bad press on the FF brand to blow over.

Frankly, I don't really care if they do come back. I used to like Fantastic 4, but I really don't care for the whole team anymore. I would love to see Human Torch and Invisible Woman in the MCU, because I just like the characters and I think they would bring something unique. But Reed Richards really isn't needed, the MCU already has enought scientists, and his powers just don't do it for me. And Thing just isn't needed when you have Hulk. So I hope Marvel gets the rights back, but just uses individual characters, not the whole team.

As to this rumor, I don't buy it. It smells like "let's throw this out there and if it's true then great, and if not oh well." I don't see Fox using F4 by themselves again, but I could see them using them in an X-Men movie (not the Trank versions, but new ones.) So I don't think it's a sure bet for Marvel to get them back.

First of all I thought the idea of rebooting the FF origin for this film was a stupid idea. How many times do we have to see that. Second Dr Doom's origin has very very little to do with the FF origin. I thought it hurt to portray them so young as well. This is supposed to be the first family of comics and they are not at all in this film. The FF has done better as a cartoon than in any of their films. I could see them being used in an X-Men film, but not as they are right now.

The idea here is that if there is any sort of tentative deal in place they will not be reverting back to Marvel right away or not any time soon, but that could still be in time for 2020. I would guess that any such deal would be along the lines of the Spider-Man deal. I don't know all the details on the X-Men rights, but I had thought that a live action TV series was out of the question, but that a animated series was more possible. I may be wrong about that, but the announcement of series concerning Legion and the Hellfire Club seemed very odd to me. The kinds of choices that seem to come out of left field although I have little doubt that creative minds could come up with compelling stories. I expect that there is more to this story and we aren't supposed to be hearing any more of it until the time is right. We weren't even supposed to get a whiff of this FF thing right now, but you know how people speculate and someone who is not an official source probably said something too much.

I wouldn't expect anything more on this for a year or two at least and then it will probably break like the Spider-Man story did. If there is some kind of agreement I suspect it is not solid and would involve continued negotiations. Part of the negotiation concerns deciding how valuable the FF characters are. At this point they are more valuable in Marvel's hands than with Fox. Fox will try to maximize what they get and Marvel will try to minimize what they give. The failure of the latest FF film can only improve the chances of a deal happening. Fox does not have to make a deal of course because even if they don't make an FF2 they could use some of the characters in other plans with X-Men characters, so they could wait for their price to be met as they have a lot of time before they would lose the rights.

One thing that Marvel holds is what they are doing with both the FF and X characters in the comics and with merchandising. Having these characters continue to keep low profiles does not help anything Fox does and increasing their presence in the eyes of the public could help future Fox films at the box office. Kids around here went to the FF film because they wanted to support Marvel films, not realizing that it was not a Marvel film and they really thought this film sucked. Some of them didn't sit through the whole film and left early even, but now they certainly do know that it was just a Fox film with Marvel characters and it hurts future X films to come.

I've enjoyed the X films mostly, but they have been rather uneven as far as how much I've enjoyed them in comparison to the Marvel films, which have been much more consistent overall. An agreement is going to have to help both sides. Eventually we're going to want to see a deal concerning the X-Men as well and with Hugh Jackman ending his run as Wolverine you might want to swing a deal at a time when the X characters are most valuable. The next film coming up is Deadpool and I for one don't expect a lot from this although I could be wrong, but this film doing poorly could help push negotiations along. I do expect more from the next X-Men, Gambit and Wolverine films though. After that it will be interesting to see where we are. We may see X-Force and New Mutants films if all goes well. I might expect to see the sort of interconnection between films that we see with Marvel films. That means that the Legion and Hellfire tv series might tie in too. Time will tell and the bottom line is always going to be that these companies will be working to maximize profits and they will be pretty smart about that concerning projected profits and deals to be made. As films come out and we see the numbers it will affect the negotiations and I expect there to eventually be movement on this front.

Fant4stic was NOWHERE NEARLY as bad as Green Lantern. It was not good but not as bad as people say it was.

Now, this movie was bad bad. but not bad bad bad. I mean the first half was awkward but decent. It is not an all around bad movie, it's just that the ending really really really sucks.

Still, not as a bad a Iron Man 2 though.

@RextheKing "Iron Man 2 isn't even a bad film, just one people love to bitch about."