EDITORIAL: The Mandarin & The Chinese Connection

EDITORIAL: The Mandarin & The Chinese Connection

Ben Kingsley's brilliant, but controversial turn as the character has been cause for debate here on CBM since the movie's release. Now find out what Oxbow feels is the true reason behind "Trevor the Mandarin" and other story SNAFU's in Iron Man 3!

Editorial Opinion
By Oxbow - Aug 13, 2013 03:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man 3




Getting a "mandarin twist" has a much different meaning today than it did a year ago--and judging by the billion-dollar box office, audiences like their Iron Man that way! My first reaction to Trevor was that it was a clever conceit, a "villain" who serves as a scapegoat for the three-minute-hate of the American people while the true enemy operates under the system...with his tentacles reaching deep into the system. This iteration tramples on decades of other appearances for what is perhaps the most dogged of Iron Man's rogues' gallery. It has made the movie an easy target for scorn, particularly on the web, and proof to some that Marvel is starting to slip from the outset during this crucial Phase 2. That is not the truth, however (Thor willing)!


The reasons for this particular twist have gone largely unmentioned within public circles. And, as is often the case, the reasons have to do with money. A Chinese company helped Disney co-produce Iron Man 3. This partnership would ensure both a greater cut of profits for Disney, and a bigger box office in China--nearly $100 million. Although Iron Man is a world famous hero today, there are a couple of other reasons for this. First, the addition of four minutes of international-exclusive footage that United States audiences never had the opportunity to see, including scenes such as this: "Dr. Wu...has a scene where he engages in a telephone conversation [with] Tony Stark's A.I. sidekick, Jarvis, and a scene in which he performs acupuncture-aided surgery on the wounded Stark, with the help of his assistant played by [Chinese-favorite actress, Fan] Bingbing."


I would have very much liked to see those scenes but sadly, they were not meant for my American eyes but for the Eastern financiers and movie-goers (although they are now available to American audiences as deleted scenes on the DVD). Second is the decision to change The Mandarin from what is, despite the best efforts of many gifted writers, essentially a Chinese-villain stereotype. In the story we got, the stereotype is inverted into a tool that evil men can use to manipulate the minds of the public. This is great writing born of necessity--of limits that were in reality imposed from the outside.


As co-producer, Chinese executives are helping to make this movie possible. And the first rule of Hollywood is: don't expect anything for free. If you are going hat-in-hand to others looking for help with your script, property, etc., there will be strings attached to their financing of your dream. I expect that the two main "asks" attached to Chinese assistance were the inclusion of scenes with staples from the Chinese movie industry, and the alteration of the villainous Fu Manchu--I mean, The Mandarin.







Rather than a Chinese stereotype, the Mandarin of the MCU is more of a world-citizen, integrating characteristics of many cultures from Japanese to Afghani. It is noteworthy that the co-producers did not ask for the Mandarin, the only Chinese character in the story, to be cast using a Chinese actor. They did not want to be attached to what they see as an anachronism, an image from the bygone days of open Western hate and prejudice.


Can you blame them? If you were paying millions and millions of dollars to people to make a story about a bad guy called "The Sheikh"--and you were an Arabian oil tycoon--would that change how you viewed the project? What about if you were a Texan oil tycoon and now the bad guy was called "The Redneck"...would that make you wanna open your wallet wide?


Kevin Smith talks about this subject several times in his excellent "Film School Fridays" podcast: if you want to tell the story that you want to with the people that you want to, then you must try, as much as possible, to take money out of the equation. Because as soon as you start taking money or other big resources from someone else, then they are going to have the right to exercise control over the final product. Of course they're going to stick their nose in the kitchen and tell you how to make the turkey; in their eyes, it's partly their turkey!


Marvel Studios is not going anywhere soon. Their Iron man 3 gambit has paid off well for them, and they will win back fan-cred with their other Phase 2 movies if they are careful to stay true to the heart of the source material--which they have shown that they can do. No, the main issue is about how they and other film-makers can keep other cooks out of the kitchen...basically how they can remain financially independent. The selling of Spiderman, X-men and The Fantastic Four licenses, among others, must have helped Marvel Studios somewhat towards that goal. The succesful string of superhero movies we have enjoyed the last few years certainly can't hurt. The larger issue, however, is something that affects any fan of these kind of stories:







For the most part, big money and high-quality comic book movies go hand-in-hand these days. By their very nature, CBM's, sci-fi movies and the like are usually so bloated with special effects that the majority of the budget can easily be eaten up by SFX! Add to that the fact that most big-name franchises are corporately owned, and that the people want big stars in their CBM's, marketing, etc. and the cost goes up even more. And while all this may mean a great movie in the best of worlds, it has not been the case in far too many other instances. Until the cost of SFX goes down, or until more Neil Blomkamps and Josh Tranks learn to navigate the system, it's going to be a high-roller's game. it's just too bad there's no Tony Stark around in real life, to do Iron Man his way!
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Tony93
Tony93 - 8/13/2013, 3:52 PM
lol ppl actually liked the twist..

olee ole ole olee!! :D
Tony93
Tony93 - 8/13/2013, 3:53 PM
dont worry we still have IronMan 5 coming 2015
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/13/2013, 3:56 PM
I loved IM3. The twist was funny and advanced the story. And what the [frick] did "mandarin twist" mean, once upon a time?
FrenzyFreak
FrenzyFreak - 8/13/2013, 3:58 PM
@Tony93 Don't worry we also have Batman Beats the Shit Out of Superman in 2015 too!!
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 8/13/2013, 4:00 PM
Iron Man aint going no where so better get used to him
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/13/2013, 4:04 PM
While the twist was genius I don't think it worked. Let's look at Iron Man's world. Regardless of the Avengers, it's a very realistic world.

In Iron Man - fought guy with a Iron suit

Iron Man 2 - fought guy with an Iron suit and with lighting whips? I don't know what to call them.

You could in a way compare it to how Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy started.

Spider-Man - fought guy dressed up in a suit on a glider.

Spider-Man 2 - fought guy with 4 mechanical arms.

Like Spider-Man 3, with Iron Man 3 we have a villain where our sense of disbelief is abused a bit. Now I understand Avengers is a part of Iron Man 3 but nothing Killian did was used with the tech of anything from the invasion.

In Spider-Man 3 we are introduced to a guy who was turned into sand and at the end becomes the Stay Puff Sandman ;D. In Iron Man 3, we have a guy breathing fire.

It goes against the laws of the universe the Iron Man world was set in.

I didn't like was how it's all Tony's fault. It was his fault with Obie, it was his family's fault with Whiplash, his fault with Hammer, now it's his fault with Killain. Can't we get a villain not made by Tony?

Lastly, I felt that there were unanswered questions. We know 10 Rings captured Tony. We see Trevor is the leader of the 10 Rings (as it seems). What we don't see is a reference at all to the fact these are the same guys who kidnapped Tony. I mean I was hoping this would be a good plot point but it was never discussed at all when it should have.

I still don't know who really are the 10 Rings. We see them as a pretty serious terrorist group in Iron Man but in Iron Man 3 we hear the Mandarin was their leader but we find out that's just an actor and Killain is the real Mandarin. So was Killain the leader of the 10 Rings? But at the same time he would remember that hit on Tony. If Killain isn't, who was?

It left more questions than answers and since theirs no Iron Man 4 isn't coming these questions won't be answered.
bjames11
bjames11 - 8/13/2013, 4:05 PM
Liked the twist
Oxbow
Oxbow - 8/13/2013, 4:08 PM
@nova: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orange_peel.jpg


@levi

all the ten rings buildup from IM1 was dropped by the wayside after they decided to not go with an "ethnic" Mandarin in IM3, because it wouldn't have made sense with the story they were NOW telling.

Mike89
Mike89 - 8/13/2013, 4:11 PM
All the build up from the first Iron Man movie but only to find out Guy Pearce was behind it all? yea that makes sense...
Reviewscrub72
Reviewscrub72 - 8/13/2013, 4:13 PM
THANK YOU FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON!!! Im tiered of reading all the hate about IM3 its a great movie and if you cant get passes the whole Mandarin thing then im sorry you must be one giant ignorant fvck. Also @Jollem dude he fvcking is a stereotype thats what he was made as in the 60s.
Oxbow
Oxbow - 8/13/2013, 4:16 PM
hey Kev
I don't think it's a liberal-anti-white thing so much as an economic one. They had no qualms with using middle eastern people as the baddies in IM1, when Marvel was financing it by themselves. I meant that it was clever how they adapted the story after the financiers said they couldn't use a Chinese person as the baddie in IM3.
Sp1d3y
Sp1d3y - 8/13/2013, 4:22 PM
The biggest disappointment of Iron Man 3 was that it should've been called Tony Stark Movie. We got like 5 minutes of Iron Man out of the 2 plus hours. This movie should've connected to the previous 2 with Kilian behind everything trying to destroy Stark. The ten rings shouldve been alien tech powering a Iron suit that Killian had been working on since Iron Man Mark 1 got lost by Tony. He should have been the one pulling the strings of Hammer. And Pepper shouldve been hurt in the first 30 min motivating Tony and and giving Rhody more screen time.
Reviewscrub72
Reviewscrub72 - 8/13/2013, 4:27 PM
@Jollem yes i know it would be fvckin sick to see iron man vs mandarin but if they did it would offend way too many people and plus not everything has to be 100% exact to the comics it has to keep you guessing and not knowing what going to happen. and @Sp1d3y whats so bad about more tony stark it was great character development showing that he dosent always need his suit it cant always be action action action.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 8/13/2013, 4:34 PM
Oxbow
Oxbow - 8/13/2013, 4:35 PM
@Sp1d3y that would have been badass! I wasn't in love with the way they used Extremis in IM3 to begin with...your idea would have been much cooler and a more cohesive story
MrDonut
MrDonut - 8/13/2013, 4:38 PM
Race change isn't an issue the issue was he was a chump when he should've been a badass villain instead of [frick]ing Killian who was a character who killed himself after 2 pannels of his appearance in the comics... [frick]ing dumb move on Marvel's part, I'm just hoping Thor n Cap can save Phase 2 cos Iron Man almost killed it for me...
MrCameron
MrCameron - 8/13/2013, 4:53 PM
3 things

1). Before I joined this site, I had no idea that there were so many Mandarin, Quicksilver, Human Torch, Hank Pym, and Mary Jane fans.

2). If Killian were played by an Asian instead nobody would be complaining, even though Killian IS the Mandarin.

3). We already got the comic Mandarin....

BANE5000
BANE5000 - 8/13/2013, 5:05 PM
As said in the article, I think if they had just kept The Mandarins roots and ethnicity non-specific in the film and have him as a terrorist commander obsessed with forms of warfare derived from other cultures...Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc...The Mandarin himself , without the twist, would've still worked out great as an opposing and terrifying villain for in the MCU and to cause Iron Man major pain in his hero and personal life.

The Mandarin , in a way, could still come back, seeing as how the public view Trevor Slattery as the image of The Mandarin himself and not Killian, not even completely sure The Ten Rings organization even knew of the ruse...So maybe, just maybe, they will want to break out their " leader " and Trevor can continue being The Mandarin, now with the full power of knowing a world fears him and an entire terrorist organization has his back.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 8/13/2013, 5:23 PM
Mandarin ain't no Joker. He's a C-level threat at best.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 8/13/2013, 6:55 PM
but Jollem, dont you see how horribly they [frick]ed up Silver Samurai in Wolverine? That is what is bad, not the Mandarin...Or wait, see how Fox [frick]ed up Pheonix it was so stupid, they completely changed the way that character worked! Only Fox makes mistakes Jollem, DUUUUH. :P
NosferatuZodd
NosferatuZodd - 8/13/2013, 6:56 PM
"Stereotype"? So the Chinese emperors and aristocrats didn't dress in robes of green, red, gold and other colors and didn't have facial hair? Hmmmm....
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 8/13/2013, 7:02 PM
Mandarin hasnt been a stereotype since forever guys. why dont people get that?
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 8/13/2013, 7:07 PM
this is a recent comic book depiction of the mandarin. look at how racist it is!!! Look at how he looks like a Fu Man Chu!!!! [frick] you all who think Mandarin is racist.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 8/13/2013, 7:09 PM
yes because a villain who is upset because he got left on the roof a few years ago is sooooooo interesting... Blech.
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