Champions Battle Poll (Final round of week 7)

Today's battles are:
Nightwing vs Moon Knight...
The Atom vs Ant-Man...
Superman vs Thor...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Apr 14, 2013 02:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Other
Source: Fenix122

Previous battles:

Moon Knight tied Nightwing.
Batgirl beat Rorschach.
Silver Surfer beat Thor.


As always be objective when voting, and use most iconic version unless other wise stated.


Moon Knight vs Nightwing (rematch, with prep time)








The Atom vs Ant-Man (Pym)







Superman vs Thor




Thanks for voting, please express your opinion in the comments and feel free to explain your decisions.
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relentless1
relentless1 - 4/14/2013, 3:05 PM
Nightwing
Ant Man
Superman
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 3:39 PM
This is my take on the battles:

I voted Moon Knight, martial arts I'd say is around the same both are good martial artists in their own right. But compared to the rest of the Marvel/DC universes neither one is really that special. But MK is stronger and faster and doesn't hold back the way Nightwing does...

I voted Ant-Man, first off look at their skills. Atom is highly skilled in judo, Ant-Man is highly skilled in judo, karate and wrestling. But the way I see it, it's molecular sized human vs molecular sized human + an army of killer ants.

I voted Superman, he's leagues faster for one thing. But aside from that I'd say he's just a bit stronger. It's not impossible for Thor win, but I'd say Superman wins 7/10.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/14/2013, 4:03 PM
Nightwing vs Moonknight

With prep time this could go either way.

Atom vs Ant-man

Atoms wins Ray retains his normal strength level even when shrunk while Hank does not.

Superman vs Thor

Superman wins.Superman has beaten magical being before while Thor has lost to mortals.Though this would be an epic battle.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/14/2013, 4:04 PM
SUPERMAN vs THOR: Thor.

The only clear cut advantage that Superman has on Thor is speed, that's it. Everything thing else, they're either roughly equaled or Thor has the advantage. As far as their strength is concerned, they've both displayed planetary strength feats. But as far as range of powers, battle experience and prowess, Thor takes it.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/14/2013, 4:05 PM
UNKNOWNFACTS

Superman has lost to beings less powerful than himself also.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 4:07 PM
@SageMode
Superman outclasses Thor in speed and brains for sure.

Strength Superman is just slightly superior.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 4:10 PM
@unknownfacts
Ant-Man retains his normal human level strength when he gets smaller as well. The only time his strength changes is when he gets bigger.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/14/2013, 4:18 PM
FENIX

Brains as far as what field of intelligence?

Is their any strength feats that suggests that he's superior strength wise?
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/14/2013, 4:37 PM
^ the fact that he caught mjolnir while thor was swinging it at him for one and pretty much one punched thor in JLA/Avengers is all you need to know
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 4:46 PM
@LoudLon & SageMode

Thor may have been fighting for centuries but he's not a tactical genius or anything like that. He's brash and will fall for anything, and charges head first into everything without thinking about it.

Superman is of genius level intelligence, he's no tactical genius either but he's way smarter than Thor.

As far as speed, Thor can fly at also the speed of light, but he can't run or react that fast the way Superman. I actually think that their blows would deal roughly the same amount of damage (although if I had to pick who's stronger, Superman seems stronger) but Supermam would strike more blows and they would eventually have a cumulative effect on Thor.

AND the fact that I'm 99% sure that Superman is worthy.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/14/2013, 5:29 PM
Thor wins this he is the god of thunder and can summon magical lightning up to a hundred thousand times more powerful than normal lightning . That is far more powerful than normal magical lightning and would destroy anything and to top it all off the warriors madness and if that ain't enough the god blast would be . If Thor wanted to he doesn't have to fight he could just magically put Superman or anyone else for that matter to sleep . I guess though that the comics would be too boring if Thor did use the full range of his powers he would be able to beat anyone .
SageMode
SageMode - 4/14/2013, 5:54 PM
FENIX

Thor was able to best and gain the upperhand aginst Captain America in combat when he was depowered. That doesn't sound like a someone who's not a strategic and tactical genius to me.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 7:08 PM
@SageMode
All that means is Thor a great hand to hand combatant, which I will admit CAN BE a master h2h fighter IF he fights smart. He usually doesn't fight smart and that's his greatest downfall, he usually just brawls and relies on his powers and rarely uses his fighting skills. He doesen't fight smart, that's what I'm saying.

Anyways, him taking on Cap in a h2h fight doesen't make him a genius tactican. That makes him a skilled fighter...

I just don't see how a guy who:
Doesn't fight smart.
Will fall for almost anything.
Dives head first into 90% of all situations.
Doesent "look before he leaps"


Can be considered a master battle tactician. I just don't see how that could be that's all I'm saying. Superman isn't a master tactician either, but he can keep a level head the whole round while Thor will get cocky and that is his biggest downfall.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 7:12 PM
And when they're that close in power levels is when it counts to fight smart.

If it was like Thor vs Batman for instance, it doesent matter if Batmam fights smarter than Thor, Thor is just way out of his league.
But if it's Superman vs Thor, and Supermsn tends to fight smarter than Thor this is when it really counts because they're really close in power level.


and like I said Supes will strike more blows...and those blows will eventually have a cumulative effect on Thor. Another thing, I'm 99% sure that Superman would be worthy. He fits all the same characteristics as Captain America who WAS able to lift the hammer, So I'd imagine Superman could do it too.
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/14/2013, 7:40 PM
i think the crossovers should count if the characters are true to the iconic version, the fact that batman beat hulk is laughable but superman being able to life mjolnir and being stronger/faster than thor or batman and cap stalemating is very much in line with the iconic versions of the character
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 4/14/2013, 9:18 PM
I don't know enough about Moonnight to make a good decision. Ant-Man beats Atom, he can control the ants and sick them on Atom. I really don't like either one in the last fight, but there's no doubt Superman wins. Hulk vs Superman would totally be closer fight. Are these fights weekly or daily?
scootaloo
scootaloo - 4/14/2013, 10:28 PM
@Loudlon
Supes easily has the strength advantage. While Thor can go into Warriors rage or Odin Force or whatever, Superman is at the strength of two World War Hulks, after 15 minutes inside the sun.
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/14/2013, 10:40 PM
@ electricsuperman, even tho your name would suggest a bias towards superman, id have to agree, superman is superior in strength to thor and its noticeable
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 11:12 PM
@ElectricSuperman
Superman after 15 minutes in the sun IS NOT his most iconic version. Anymore than Rune King Thor is, or Worldbreaker Hulk.

@JuggyPunch
It's pretty much daily, although I usually skip Saturdays.
scootaloo
scootaloo - 4/14/2013, 11:24 PM
@Fenix
Wouldn't it count since its an ability of iconic Supes?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 11:25 PM
@ElectricSuperman
Flying to the sun for 15 minutes isn't one of his abilities. Superman after 15 minutes in the sun isn't considered his standard form.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/14/2013, 11:30 PM
But I agree that standard Superman > standard Thor in strength but only by a little bit.
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 4/14/2013, 11:49 PM
fenix122, I see. Just checked out some of the old fights I gotta say you been usin quite a few characters I don't know much about. But I'll try my best.

electric superman, wrong World War Hulk > Superman. plain savage Hulk could give Superman a run for his money. World War Hulk owns him.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/14/2013, 11:50 PM
FENIX

Still, Are there any strength feats of Superman that puts him above Thor?
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/14/2013, 11:56 PM
I think what ElectricSuperman is getting at is Superman's ability to grow stronger the closer he is to the Sun.I think what you're thinking about is Superma one million the future Superman who spent a thousand years in the sun.

PS Superman spending 15 minutes in the Sun isn't an ability or a form it's a feat base on Superman's ability to grow stronger the closer his is to the Sun.
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/15/2013, 7:42 AM
Antman does retain his density and strength at shrunken levels. reference from the classic avengers issue 161. While he can't quite shrink down to the levels of the Atom he can grow larger, he also can shrink inanimate objects, and he does have control over ant's
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/15/2013, 9:07 AM
@SageMode
Ignoring all of pre-crisis Superman's feats, how about benching a planet? Thor hasn't been able to do that. He could lift the Midgard serpent, which as big as the Earth. But is not as dense and hence does not weigh as much. Now, if we got Thor in the weight room, I'm pretty sure he'd come close but I don't think that they are equals.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/15/2013, 9:10 AM
@unkmownfacts, ElectricSuperman & LoudLon.

Superman after being inside the sun for 15 minutes isn't his most iconic version. It isn't his standard form.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/15/2013, 11:10 AM
@LoudLon
Yes, I agree. I was simply addressing everyone who was talking about that topic.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/15/2013, 11:11 AM
Btw, love the Psych gif.
scootaloo
scootaloo - 4/15/2013, 12:45 PM
If growing stronger from the sun isn’t part of Superman’s iconic version, how can warrior’s rage count for Thor?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/15/2013, 1:07 PM
^^
It doesn't, warrior's rage isn't Thor's most iconic version. I think what LoudLon was meaning when he brought up warrior's madness is that it's triggered by fighting too much. If Supes and Thor were even and were locked in a seemingly never ending battle at some point Warrior's madness would kick in. He wouldn't START that way, and Thor isn't going to wait around for 15 minutes for Superman to come back.

The point is, that Warrior's madness is triggered by fighting too much. If the fight goes on for years, then Thor will be pushed into this madness but he wouldn't start out that way.
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