The State of Comic Book TV

The State of Comic Book TV

More and more comic book properties are finding their way to the small screen. But are they faring as well as their big screen counterparts? Hit the jump to find out more!

Editorial Opinion
By TwistedKingdom - May 09, 2015 11:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Other
Source: HollywoodReporter.com

It’s been said plenty of times - It’s a great time to be a comic book fan. Studios are cranking out comic book movies year after year. Some brilliant, some decent, and others…well…it’s a great time to be a comic book fan. We’ve got movies and TV. Once upon a time CBTV shows consisted of Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno in The Incredible Hulk or Lynda Carter in Wonder Woman. And who can forget live action shows for Captain America and Spider-Man?

 

Today, there’s a groundswell of CBTV. If you frequent message boards and websites such as this you’ve heard just how much fans are enjoying these shows. You may even believe these shows are just as popular as their movie counterparts or the franchises they spun off from. But an insightful article in The Hollywood Reporter explains that isn’t the case.

 

In Summer Superhero Blockbusters Expose Comic Book TV's Weakness,

Michael O'Connell and Lesley Goldberg examine why network executives are so in love with superheroes. While The Avengers: Age of Ultron nabbed the second best opening weekend of all time, $191.3M, and has grossed $716M globally and counting, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D is averaging a modest 1.5 rating amongst the key 18-49 demographic.

 

"These shows sample well in the beginning, but the genre doesn’t seem to be drawing people back on a week-in, week-out basis," says Sam Armando of media-buying firm SMGx. Marvel and DC fans have plenty to choose from as seven hourlong shows made it to air on major networks during the 2014-15 season. But none can be considered a massive hit.

 

"They don’t appeal to a wide audience," gripes one top talent agent, noting the increasingly crowded marketplace as another problem. Armando agrees: "We’re getting to the point where there might be too many options in the genre — at least on broadcast."

 

Captain America spinoff Agent Carter was renewed for a second season while Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D is set to return for a third. Writer John Ridley (12 Years a Slave) is developing a project at ABC, said to be a reinvention of a familiar hero. And AoS stars Adrianne Palicki and Nick Blood were this close to getting their own spinoff before ABC scrapped the idea.

 

Since it clearly isn’t about ratings, much of the push can be chalked up to politics. Marvel has been an ABC sister company since 2009, and AoS marked the first offspring in Disney CEO Robert Iger’s ongoing push for creative synergy. But why isn’t Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb enjoying the type of success Kevin Feige is? It’s believed part of the reason is the shows’ thin association with the films.

With the exception of guest appearances from Jaimie Alexander, Cobie Smulders, and Samuel L. Jackson, AoS has offered little more than “name dropping” and news reports about the aftermath of the events in the films.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier directly impacted season one of AoS but the lack of actual Avengers and their blockbuster-budget effects on the show is evident.

 

Elsewhere we have the talks between Fox and Marvel over a live action X-Men series. (Fox owns the movie rights but not the television rights).

 

DC is faring better than Marvel, if only in the number of series on the air. They found success on Fox this past Fall with Gotham, though the Batman-less origin story is finishing the season with half of the live ratings it saw in September.

And even with a 70 percent boost from time-shifting, the pricey DC effort will end the season barely among the top 25 broadcast series.

 

The Warner Bros. owned CW has thrived with its DC adaptations Arrow, The Flash and iZombie. But the network has a lower barometer for success than ABC, NBC, Fox and CBS. For example, Flash is the CW’s highest rated series with an average 1.7 rating in the key demo, the same as Fox’s Red Band Society, which was cancelled after thirteen episodes.

 

Arrow and Flash spinoff, Legends of Tomorrow, just got its green light and Supergirl, starring Glee’s Melissa Benoist, has already been ordered to series over at CBS. 

 

Consider sitcoms like Mom and Black-ish and aging reality series The Bachelor and Big Brother draw more viewers and better ratings than broadcast comic series. One place where progress might be more feasible, if harder to measure, is in streaming. Netflix’s five-series pact with Marvel gave audiences Daredevil just last month. A second season is on the way and researchers trying to decipher Netflix ratings have cited it as the most sampled original this year.

 

Some insiders believe it’s only a matter of time before execs start taking a serious look at the ratings. NBC has already cancelled the supernatural thriller Constantine after one season.

 

"Would any network but ABC order a spinoff of a show like S.H.I.E.L.D? Probably not," suggests Armando. He does see one rationale for doubling down on the Marvel gamble: "ABC wants to bring in men without alienating the women who contributed to their growth. This kind of program, especially something female-fronted, has the opportunity to do that. They see room for another swing to get it right and sustain some success."

 

How’s your favorite CBTV show doing? Check below. 
 

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legopieface
legopieface - 5/9/2015, 12:10 PM
the ABC Marvel shows are a joke. Can't believe that crap is getting 3 seasons.
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 5/9/2015, 12:40 PM
@Dev7

You have to pay for the CW? That should be a crime
jimmiuchiha666
jimmiuchiha666 - 5/9/2015, 12:40 PM
i think aos is trash but i stoped watching early on.
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 5/9/2015, 12:43 PM
If you hate AoS but never gave it a shot in season 2, give it a shot when you are bored. Same for me and the Flash. I need to check that shit out pronto
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 5/9/2015, 12:47 PM
I get the cw on my antenna, so no, you don't pay for it. At least I don't.m
BATMANx
BATMANx - 5/9/2015, 12:49 PM
The Flash should be Number 1 and Arrow Number 2
blackandyellow
blackandyellow - 5/9/2015, 12:55 PM
This ends the debate. Gotham is the undisputed champion of the CBTV world.
mgeoff88
mgeoff88 - 5/9/2015, 1:08 PM
The only reason Gotham has such high ratings, is because it's on the FOX network, which is larger than CW, ABC, NBC, and CBS.

Gotham is the worst CBTV show IMO. I would rather watch iZombie over Gotham any day.
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 5/9/2015, 1:26 PM
Some episodes of Gotham this season have fell past AoS......

Can't forget that!
BigFoster
BigFoster - 5/9/2015, 1:33 PM
Yes you do have to pay for the CW, however all of these shows play on CTV at the same time here in Canada so you dont need the fancier subscription packages
the
the - 5/9/2015, 1:37 PM
CW, NBC, FOX, ABC <= these are all broadcast channels in the states
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 5/9/2015, 1:46 PM
I thought Flash had more people watching tbh, but the fanfare that I have heard is more than enough to check it out. Gonna binge in a day or 2 on it
blackandyellow
blackandyellow - 5/9/2015, 2:07 PM
@Melkaticox

You have the sense of humor of a potato.
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 5/9/2015, 2:25 PM
@BigFoster nobody pays for the cw. I wouldn't expect you to know since you don't even get the cw in Canada
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 5/9/2015, 2:27 PM
You pay for the cable, or if you're in my case and only need an antenna to get all primers me networks, you pay like five dollars upfront and never pay anything again
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 5/9/2015, 2:28 PM
Primers me networks *sigh* I think I'll just turn off autocorrect I look like a [frick]ing fool




Which I do anyways
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 5/9/2015, 2:47 PM
The Flash has been the best series to grace television. A show that actually looks great on tv, give respect to source material, but at the same time put thier own spin on the show that keeps you guessing and takes chances. DD is a solid show but lacks in story. IF DD actually took chances and did not play it safe, it could be a better overall show than Flash. Arrow could take pointers form DD with fight sequences and DD could take pointers from Arrow season 1 and 2 on how to give a great overall story that take chances to surprise viewers.

Constantine was a great show that was just hitting its stride. Prematurely cancelled by a network that really did not want the show. Hope it finds its home.

The other shows I don't watch. Caught the first couple but lost interest in them or just was not my cup of tea. CB tv shows are on the right track. Hopefully the new shows Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, Jessica Jones, and the others are more of a hit than miss.
BigFoster
BigFoster - 5/9/2015, 2:47 PM
@blackestknight your half right. We do get the cw in canada but its only available in more expensive packages. But we dont pay for it individually
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 5/9/2015, 3:05 PM
@gmoney0505

The only downside to Flash is some of the acting, according to people on this site.

"DD is a solid show but lacks in story. IF DD actually took chances and did not play it safe, it could be a better overall show than Flash."

DD plays it safe while Flash pushes the limits? Okay........I'm sorry, but I have watched DD, and I don't see anything on the CW matching the acting caliber....or them getting any recognizable faces
the
the - 5/9/2015, 3:55 PM
Gotham is the undisputed champion of the CBTV world



But seriously, WB put a lot of money into that series and from those numbers it seems to be paying off.
"the acting caliber....or them getting any recognizable faces" Yeah, Gotham has that.
Not to mention, crisp cinematography and gorgeous sets. The biggest downside is that the script, on average, isn't the sharpest in the shed and the best material is given to select characters.
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 5/9/2015, 4:13 PM
AOS is a piece of shit and so is AC. Marvel is better off canning those shows and using that wasted production money on the real shows like DD. [frick] CBS Netflix is where it's at. DC is fine where it is, they can make it work on network TV, Marvel can't.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 5/9/2015, 4:15 PM
CBTV is doing pretty good on The CW especially when it isn't shown everywhere in the states like the big competitors(ABC, FOX).
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 5/9/2015, 4:16 PM
And DD is way better than any CBTV Show out, comparing DD with The Flash is dumb. DD is much better show than The Flash and the critics and overall fan consensus proves it.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 5/9/2015, 4:17 PM
@CaptainAmerica31

Cap, you're right about AoS. I find Whedon's quote hilarious of how he thought of a series about S.H.I.E.L.D. but the films decide to destroy S.H.I.E.L.D., lol. Don't know why the series continues.

But for Agent Carter.....to me, that show would be amazing on Netflix as well, but it seems now that Netflix is only the home for The Defenders 'universe'(sub-universe?).
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 5/9/2015, 4:18 PM
Action, production value, and story all have the upper hand. In a year with so many CBTV shows DD=TDKR and The Flash=Ironman
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 5/9/2015, 4:19 PM
TDK not TDKR my bad
ClumsyToaster
ClumsyToaster - 5/9/2015, 4:43 PM
Daredevil was the only good show. Studios need to start modeling after that. No more of this 22 episode, loose story bullshit.
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