The definitive Star Trek review - if you read only one review, make it this one.

The definitive Star Trek review - if you read only one review, make it this one.

Misses opportunities for greatness...

Review Opinion
By CBMcontributor - May 10, 2009 07:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Trek

I wonder why J. J. Abrams decided to stray so far from the canon - it was in areas that really wouldn't have affected those who don't already know the near sacred storylines, but it would have prevented the diehard fans (of which I count myself) feel a bit cheated. Here is my list of issues I take with the current film and possible solutions that I think would have made the film great:
1. Kirk's Nature and Morality - I hated that old Spock instigated the Kirk/Spock friendship. It should have evolved through mutual respect or shared experiences rather than coercive manipulation. It wasn't even necessary that they form a bond in this film - just plant the seed of a future friendship at this point would have worked just fine. Spock was the first Vulcan in star fleet. It would be reasonable that they resent and don’t understand him, but they respect his sacrificing nature (of which would be completed in Star Trek II – The Wrath of Khan).
2. Some strange logic choices – why did Kirk and Sulu jump onto platform rather than just beaming to it? Why did Sulu choose to fight with swords? I guess I could let this one go since his phaser fell off the platform, but it felt a bit contrived.
3. Leonard Nimoy as Spock seemed out of character - Old spock seemed nostalgic and emotional. I could accept this if he had a line of coming to terms with living with his human nature or some explanation for change in character. At least that way, it would be viewed as the Spock character will eventually come to terms with his duality.
4. Kobayashi Maru – I hated the motivation for why Kirk cheated. A better explanation would have been because of his obsessive drive to succeed and never fail. I think they could have made it something like the fact that no one ever wins it was the reason he cheated. Not to impress a girl!
5. Canon Problems – Spock’s mom should not have died. I hated the fact that some of the very favorite episodes do not exist in this re-telling. Vulcan should have either been restored or not fully destroyed like the earth. If they tampered with the old story line so much, they could have just allowed Shatner to reprise his Kirk character to let the original fans enjoy this tribute a bit. I think they could have made a few minor nods to fans – red shirt guy dies.
6. Science errors - Ice monsters were cool, but Kirk is an alien in their environment. He would have no chance being an alienate in an environment where the other animals have evolved. It is like a scuba diver seeing a seal underwater. On land, seals are clumsy and awkward where we are agile. In the water, we are clumsy and awkward but they are sleek and powerful. That is because of how we evolved to our respective environments. The aliens on the ice planet would have made easy work of a poor Kirk. So, the solution - Kirks ingenuity saves him from certain death (rather than he outruns the monsters).
7. Not that big a fan of Chris Pine - the new Kirk actor. I think others could have done it better. I just don't feel he embodied the charisma, and most importantly, the humanity of Shatner's Kirk. He did fine in the reckless department, but someone as passionately humanistic as Shatner's Kirk was would certainly have had those values infused into their very being at all cost. He should got into fights protecting someone else who was wronged. That would have fit in better.
8. Musically speaking, though a serviceable score, it was not virtuosic as is the tradition of the Star Trek series and movies. And more unforgiveable, the music completely lacked any sense of wonder that is infused in all Star Trek.
9. I didn’t like that most of the characters inherit their roles and responsibilities through the death of their superiors rather than working their way up the ladder. Surely someone of the crew should have worked their way up the ladder, no?
10. Some of the writing was too contrived - I didn't like that Spock was like “I relieve myself of duty” and a minute later – “reporting for duty” because Sarek asked him how he feels.

In summary, they should have consulted the original writers - D.C. Fontana for an hour could have explained some of the origins of the ideas that could have helped keep the timeline intact and introduced a whole new generation of fans without alienating the old diehard fans. The alternatives to the story I suggest would not have weakened it one bit, but would have added to what fans LOVE about Star Trek. I am a huge J. J. Abrams fan. I think his movie is good overall, but it is NOT Star Trek and it misses opportunities to have been great.

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unlimited
unlimited - 5/10/2009, 9:15 PM
They couldn't beam on to the platform because that drill was blocking the ship from doing any transmissions including beaming.
elfokel
elfokel - 5/11/2009, 8:02 AM
Wow... did we see the same movie?
RandyTheFool
RandyTheFool - 5/11/2009, 8:12 AM
I am neither a fan of Star Trek or J.J. Abrhams, but I liked this movie. But, for a "diehard fan" you're kind of an idiot (no offense) and didn't really pick up on a lot of things that you probably should have before writing a review.

In fact, I don't know where you got half the information you wrote. Like the whole transporter/drill thing that was previously mentioned was kind of an integral plot point, or the Kobayashi Maru thing (he did it because he "didn't believe in 'no win' situations" in an attempt to emulate his father/because he believes the same thing as his father). There are also no "canon problems" seeing as your canon exists in that it happened before in Old Spocks universe, but it doesn't now for the younger crew since things were changed with the destruction of the Kelvin.

I picked up on these things, and I'm not even a fan. I only know about some of the basic stuff because my brother is really into it and watches Star Trek and what not all the time. I was literally dragged to the movies to see this film and was pleasantly surprised.

I say, go back for another viewing and then come back to us.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/11/2009, 8:13 AM
Bit late for saying that (the heading) lol!!! Been quite a few reviews done and dusted!!! : D
cable82
cable82 - 5/11/2009, 9:31 AM
No one cares douchebag.
scottbuster2000
scottbuster2000 - 5/11/2009, 9:53 AM
Spot on RandyTheFool,
1] Old Spock changes super nova that destroys the Romulan planet {in the future}
into a black hole - Nero's Ship and Old Spock's ship are sucked in. The black hole
acts as time machine {Artistic License for noone has ever gone into an event horizon
to find out if it leads anywhere} and because this incident occurs before Kirk's
Birth all of history {Including the Star Trek canon is moot}. The Kirk/Spock paradigm
had to be forced because Old Spock changed history with supernova/Black hole incident
{Spock's repairing some of the damage he instigated because he of all people knows
how important the Kirk/Spock friendship is to humankind.
2] See unlimited above. Nuff Said!!!
3] Spock is Half Human and though he purged himself of his human side {post ST III}
his humanity crept back in subsequent movies and t.v. appearances {Just goes to show
you can't keep a good human down}.He is therefore nostalgic and emotional because he
knows that all his life memories including Vulcan history will never be the same. No
Kohlinar discipline can keep your human side from realizing your actions changed
your moms life and the entire vulcan people and all of future history forever.
4] See RandyTheFool above. Nuff Said!!!
5] See No.1 above. Nuff Said!!!
6] We are talkinf about James...Tiberius Kirk right??? Next!!!
7] Not that big a fan of Chris Pine. Fine that's just personal choice. Shatner can't
act even though he knows Shakespeare like the back of his hand{As good as the english
masters and professor X}. But you know what? He is James...Tiberius Kirk and noone
and I mean actor can out shine Shatner when he assumes the mantle that is ...Kirk!
As far as the reason Kirk fights it's all just a part of character growth. We all have
done things when we were young that would be seen as out of character for the older
version of ourselves.
8] Musically speaking also comes down to personal choice. I liked the brass aspect of
the score. For me it was neither best nor worst{And I've only heard it once so who
knows it may grow apon further exposure}.
9] Now your just nit picking...Blah...Blah...Blah!!!
10] Remember Spock is half vulcan and strick assumption with reguards to human behavior
don't apply here.
In summary, keep the timeline intact??? See No.1 above.
Introduced a whole new generation of fans without alienating the old diehard fans???
Have you watched any of the preseeding Trek movies? Many of us old diehard fans had
been alienated along time ago.The last good Trek movie was No.6. For me the TGN movies
were over blown t.v.{And none could hold a candle to All good things}.
FYI it is Star Trek just as Casino Royale is Bond. If only George Lucas could get his
act together and redo the prequels and revamp Indiana for a new generation.
Spock
Spock - 5/11/2009, 9:59 AM
Overall I did like the movie. This was how ever an alternate time line. I believe they should of picked it up after Nemesis, There is a lot of stuff there they could have did. As far the transporters go. They couldn't be used when the drill was deployed as for also communications with starfleet couldnt' get thru either.
tcg6
tcg6 - 5/11/2009, 10:42 AM
So, a lot of your criticisms have been addressed already ... I'm just going to pick up on two that other viewers seem to have missed:

5) No nods to fans, no guy with the red shirt dies? You are not a very good observer, my friend. Who jumped to the platform? Kirk, Sulu, and ... hmmm, a cast member we have never seen before ... he has one enthusiastic line, and ... o boy, he's the only one wearing a RED jumpsuit. He's toast. I leaned over to my girlfriend, explained the red shirt in-joke, and said "He's toast. Guaranteed." Sure enough, dead within 4 minutes.

6) Really? You are complaining the science is weak in reference to the ice monster chase scene? I suppose this means you have studied the ice monsters extensively, as it would be incredibly unscientific to make assertions about the run-speed capacity of aforementioned ice monsters unless you had a factual basis for said assertions. I look forward to your published results of anatomy and behavior of said ice monsters. Peer-reviewed journal only, please.

joob234
joob234 - 5/11/2009, 11:08 AM
wtf on #8, the score was really good in this movie, u no shit about movie music dude.
SGA
SGA - 5/11/2009, 11:29 AM
for once I agree w/ joob. The score was brilliant. And while the main theme wasn't exactly like the TV series, if you listen closely, it was a slower tempo, and very close play to the original.

I'm not a fan, and even I could tell that.
adamant877
adamant877 - 5/11/2009, 12:47 PM
All I have to say is, to complain about Kirk's inspiration (even though RandytheFool eloquently described the "actual" motivation) could still be argued in one simple statement: WTF?!
If you've EVER seen an episode of Star Trek, or even if you haven't, most people know that Kirk thinks predominantly with his d#$k, so your statement is a little odd, to say the least?..

And I, for one, loved the change in the music score! It was better than the boring crap that we've heard over, and over again for the last 30 years!

Final word: Poor review.
luv1138
luv1138 - 5/11/2009, 1:21 PM
I won't waste my time reading this stuff...Star Trek SUCKS!!!
vonstallin
vonstallin - 5/11/2009, 1:52 PM
Nero would have to wait 120 years to save Romulus...
plus he didnt plan on going back in time..the red matter explosion cause the black hole...

He and old spok showed up in the past 25 years apart...

Details....
no body including the reviewer pay attension to details... Sulu's said he was trained in advanced hand to hand combat...Kirk ask what...He said Fencing, like an episode from the classic show...

Details...
chochi73
chochi73 - 5/11/2009, 1:59 PM
The movie rocks, you suck... and in response to your, I want to bitch about a movie top ten list. Grow the F*up and next time get your moms permission before you post again, you little bitch.

$72.5 million in weekend ticket sales can't be wrong. How much would your dry ass version of the movie make?
alten2345
alten2345 - 5/11/2009, 2:44 PM
Definitive review huh? That's quite the lofty claim. You gotta love people who think they know everything lol.
joob234
joob234 - 5/11/2009, 2:55 PM
wzait SGA wen have u disagreed with me? haha
vonstallin
vonstallin - 5/11/2009, 3:15 PM
chochi73
How much would your dry ass version of the movie make?


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LOL
that made me laugh my ass off at work, lol
Coney
Coney - 5/11/2009, 3:51 PM
It was a good blockbuster, but to me it just didn't feel like Star Trek. They're taking liberties with a 40-year-old franchise that has remained profitable due in large part to the continued devotion of the fan base, liberties which I am not altogether sure the fan base will forgive. The blockbuster elements could have been grafted onto any storyline or set of characters and been as entertaining. It reminded me of the newer remakes of Planet of the Apes or Lost in Space, in that respect, or the competing versions of Batman -- like, yet unlike.

It is as if they strayed from the 'canon' to give themselves new blockbuster-type options, as if the 'canonical' Star Trek universe wasn't rich enough to provide ample plot opportunities indefinitely, so they made their own up instead of getting into the spirit of the original.

For example, the Kirk we've all grown up watching would never have left that alternate timeline stand, especially with growing up knowing Dad, or the fate of the Vulcan race, in the balance. Maybe this new Kirk made his choices due to being the product of that timeline. Which only serves to underscore the point -- he's NOT the Kirk we've all grown up watching.

And now the entire Star Trek universe can unfold all over again, without being 'constrained' to be the one we've all grown up watching either....
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/11/2009, 5:13 PM
You gotta luv LuV1138!!! Lol. ; )
Betty
Betty - 5/11/2009, 8:49 PM
Yeah, what everyone else said!
chrissyopines
chrissyopines - 5/11/2009, 11:00 PM
The whole divert the fans to an alternate universe left me feeling that all the old trek it took 40 years to unfold was being tossed out. I also felt that Kirk would not have settled for the alternate and would have wanted to set the timeline straight. The basic components were ok and yet I didn't get the feeling of Star Trek's commraderie in fact it felt very shallow and the dialogue thready and contrived. Hopefully the sequel will pull it all together
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