WB's Zoom: The Reverse-Flash Casserole

WB's Zoom: The Reverse-Flash Casserole

Toss a bunch of Reverse Flashes in a pot, stir it up, and serve.

Editorial Opinion
By MasterTaffer - Nov 08, 2015 07:11 AM EST
Filed Under: The Flash
"Seriously?!  Another damn Zoom article?!  We're sick of these!"

Yeah, but I still wrote one.

The identity of Zoom in season 2 of The Flash has been a hotly argued topic.  People have looked longingly into his eyes to see what secrets they may hold, trying to gleam some inkling of who this masked man is.  They argue back and forth over what theory makes the most sense.  It feels like last season and the Reverse-Flash all over again.

One thing I keep seeing a lack of is analysis of evidence.  A lot of cherry picking of stuff to shoot down other people, but not a big mass piling of facts.  Over the weekend I sat down and rewatched the whole of Season 1 and Season 2 thus far, taking notes, printing pictures, and taping them to the wall with some red string attaching things, and I've come to a conclusion as to who Zoom is.

This guy:

Eddie Thawn of Earth-1.

Alright, now to get on with it.  First, we look at Zoom himself.  When you put the guy under the microscope and look at his actions thus far, you end up seeing that this Zoom is an amalgam of various comic book Reverse-Flashes.  There are shades of Hunter Zolomon, The Rival, as well as Cobalt Blue.  He shares a namesake with Hunter Zolomon's Zoom, like The Rival he wears a dark reflection of The Flash's costume and is an enemy of Jay Garrick, and like Cobalt Blue he can absorb the Speed Force out of another speedster as he demonstrated on Jay.

Now most of the speculation thus far has been that Zoom is an Earth-2 doppelganger.  That he's "Evil Barry" or "Evil Henry" or "Evil What's-His-Face."  But there's actually evidence that Zoom is actually from Earth-1.  For one, his costume is a dark reflection of Earth-1 Barry Allen's costume.  If he were a dark reflection of Jay shouldn't he be sporting a kettle helmet and running pants?  And then last week's episode added another wrinkle.  Zoom sent over Earth-2's Linda Park to screw with Barry and trip him up.

This implies two very important things.  One, it tells us that Zoom knows that Earth-1 Flash is Barry Allen.  Two, it implies Zoom knows Barry's past dating history.  The relationship he had with Linda Park ended in Rogue Time, long before the singularity breach opened above Central City.  How did Zoom know about Barry's dating life prior to his supposed ability to cross over?  Likely, it means Zoom is from Earth-1 prior to the breach.

Now, that doesn't mean it's E-1 Eddie Thawne, but it does mean it's probably someone we've already met.  And Eddie was indeed familiar with Barry's dating life.  Hell, he went on a double date with Linda and Barry in Out of Time.

Now suspecting that Zoom is an Earth-1 native means we need to look at the possibilities.  Taking a head count, the following three people are potentially Zoom:

  1. Eddie Thawne
  2. Eobard Thawne
  3. Ronnie Raymond
Eobard is impossible if the finale is to be taken at face value.  Dead Eddie means no Eobard, the end.  And the idea that Ronnie would become Zoom really makes zero sense no matter how you slice it.  Is Ronnie alive on Earth-2?  Maybe, but him becoming an evil speedster is a huge stretch, and even then is he familiar with Barry's dating life?

So that leaves Eddie Thawne.  Let's take a close look at Eddie.

First of all, Eddie shares a couple traits with the Zoom of the comics.  Like Hunter Zolomon he is both a police officer and a friend of the Flash.  This is part of why he was such a red herring in the first season.  He shares a first name with the Reverse-Flash known as The Rival (Dr. Edward Clariss) as well, but then again a lot of people are named Ed...


Finally, Eddie's last name is Thawne, which played into the events of the first season when Eddie was revealed to be the ancestor of Eobard Thawne, AKA the Reverse-Flash.  But Thawne is the last name of another Flash villain as well.  Cobalt Blue, AKA Malcolm Thawne. 

And Cobalt Blue shares some interesting traits with Eddie.  Both have an affinity for the color blue, both are blonds who work at the Central City Police Department (though Malcolm worked as a janitor as a cover), both were jealous of Barry (something Eddie admitted and demonstrated through all of season 1), and both have an affinity for talisman.

You see, Cobalt Blue used a mystical talisman to steal whatever his heart desired from others.  He used this talisman to steal the Speed Force from various Flashes.  Similar to how Zoom stole the Speed Force from Jay Garrick in Flash of Two Worlds a few weeks ago.  But does Eddie possess a talisman?  Probably not a mystical one, but he sure as hell wears one all of season 1!


When asked about it in an interview, Rick Cosnett confirmed that necklace is a Thawne family heirloom.  What, you don't read French?  Not only that, it was on him in his last moments before being sucked into the singularity.
 

So yeah.  There's all that.

But now we have to ask the how and why, don't we?  When last we saw Eddie, he was dead as a door nail as everyone abandoned his body and it was sucked into the singularity breach.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who found it odd the camera lingered on him to ensure we knew he was sucked in there.  It isn't outside the realm of possibility (and it's particularly comic book-y) that something happened to him inside the singularity that revived him.  But even more interesting is he was sucked into the singularity at the same time as Eobard's Time Sphere wreckage.  A time machine that was coated very specifically in a cobalt resin to prevent temporal shearing.

DUN DUN DUN!

And this also brings me to yet another Reverse Flash to throw into this damn Zoom stew.  One Daniel West, a recent addition to the Reverse Flash family.
 

Daniel West got his speedster powers in a very hokey but very important way.  You see, he wears armor that gives him a connection to the Speed Force.  This armor is made from the wreckage of a monorail that worked by tapping into the Speed Force.  ...Because yeah, whatever, comics.  But still, we have precedence for a Reverse Flash getting his powers by merging with the wreckage of a Speed Force vehicle.  The idea that Eddie merged with the Time Sphere's cobalt covered scrap in the singularity isn't without a source of inspiration.  Plus, if he merged with a dagnab time machine it might mean he could pop out at Earth-2 not only anywhere, but any TIME as well.  It would explain why Zoom had been around for two years prior to the singularity breach.  It would also explain why he can seemingly jump through breaches at will, without any issues like Barry.

Now, assuming you accept all of that, the final question is why?  Why would nice guy Eddie be so focused on slitting Barry's throat?  Sure, he was admittedly jealous of Barry through season 1, but not in an obsessive way.

The answer is simple.  Because Barry and his nonsense adventures cost Eddie his life with Iris.  Barry was always the third wheel in their relationship; something Eddie knew.  Barry's secrets got in the way of the two of them and resulted in fight after fight.  Barry is why Joe refused to give Eddie his blessing to propose.  Eobard showed Eddie the future, and that future had Barry and Iris together.  Finally, Eddie shot himself to keep Iris from dying due to a battle Barry couldn't win on his own.  He sacrificed his future with the love of his life because Barry was going to lose.  Barry is the universe's biggest cock block.


And what was being the good guy getting Eddie?  It got him a bullet to the heart, a picture on the wall, and no future mark on history.  Even if he had just minded his own business and stuck to his job as a police officer, Eobard made it abundantly clear he'd make zero impact on not only history but his own family name.  Being the hero just means being killed and forgotten.

Finally, think of both Eddie's last words and some of Zoom's.

Eddie:  He was wrong.  Turns out I'm a hero after all.
Iris:  You are Eddie, you are.
Eddie:  That's all I ever wanted to be: your hero. *DEAD*

FAST FORWARD

Flash:  You wanna be me?!  Is that it?!  You wanna be a hero?!
Zoom:  Heroes die.

Now, I'm under no delusions that I'm 100% right and all other theories are wrong.  It just as easily could turn out to be Patty Spivot for all I know.  But looking at the evidence in the show creates a pretty compelling picture that Eddie Thawne of Earth-1 is indeed Zoom.
 
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MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 8:13 AM
@ManCalledSting

Yeees, it would mean Eobard is alive... It would mean that the paradox doesn't happen. *Devilish smirk*
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 8:38 AM
@ManCalledSting

On the other hand, he does claim to be the fastest man alive...
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 9:26 AM
@ThtOneGuyUKnow Presumably when he sucks the Speed Force out of a speedster, it adds to his own speed. When he confronts Barry he'll want to be as fast as possible. Plus it's something he robs from Barry; being the fastest man alive.
TheSteelCityBatman007
TheSteelCityBatman007 - 11/8/2015, 10:18 AM
I was originally thinking that Zoom was Barry Allen's doppelganger. Eddie Thawn might just make more sense!
TheSteelCityBatman007
TheSteelCityBatman007 - 11/8/2015, 10:22 AM
@MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 10:43 AM
@TheSteelCityBatman007

I try
tonytony
tonytony - 11/8/2015, 11:21 AM
I think zoom is barry allen.
tonytony
tonytony - 11/8/2015, 11:22 AM
but it could be eddie thawne.
tonytony
tonytony - 11/8/2015, 11:23 AM
in fact eddie makes a lot of sense
katzb724
katzb724 - 11/8/2015, 11:40 AM
Zoom cannot be Earth 1 Eddie.. Jay Garrick said that he was fighting Zoom for two years before the singularity. The time travel scenario cannot be in play either because Jay got pulled through the same time that Eddie did and Jay did not got back in time..
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 11:56 AM
@katzb724 Jay wasn't hypothetically merged with a damn time machine, was he? It amazes me how quickly people forget that time travel is a thing on this show.
katzb724
katzb724 - 11/8/2015, 11:58 AM
No, that's my point. Zoom cannot be Earth 1 Eddie. My guess is that it is Earth 2 Eddie. I remember reading something a while back where one of the show creators talked about the zoom suit being a symbiotic like thing that attaches to somondy and takes over.
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/8/2015, 12:04 PM
@katzb724

And I'm saying your point is covered in my scenario. The singularity not only could have dumped Eddie in Earth-2, but it could have done so 2 or more years in the past due to the fact he merged with Eobard Thawne's Time Sphere wreckage in the singularity. Hell, the Earth-1 singularity was born because they were time traveling. Time travel is a thing, so Jay and Zoom fighting when the Earth-2 singularity opened doesn't mean Zoom can't be Eddie Thawne of Earth-1. That Zoom on the roof could very well be Eddie after being in Earth-2 for a couple or more years.
Fekkius
Fekkius - 11/8/2015, 5:59 PM
If it's Eddie, E1 OR E2, I will probably cry. A lot.
ager
ager - 11/9/2015, 2:08 AM
Fantastic, eye-opening article that makes a ton of sense. I didnt catch the family heirloom bit last season. Do you not feel it's TOO obvious, though? While he's one of the top 5 I've heard, and this does spell out his fate in a pretty concrete way, it all seems too easy. Also, the actor is now part of the main cast of another show and it's not very often actors pull double duty even if he's not a major part of this season yet. Granted, a double could play the part until his face is revealed, but, ya know, it's less likely. Great article that only has me wanting to see the reveal even more now
MattBellissimo
MattBellissimo - 11/9/2015, 3:33 AM
Everyone who suspects that Zoom is Eddie constantly forgets one thing: Zoom existed at the same time Eddie did. BEFORE HE DIED. These parallel universes exist alongside one another. Zoom was around for two years, just as Jay Garrick was. Eddie also existed in the prime universe during the same amount of time. He couldn't have possibly been Zoom. Hell, even if you want to believe Eddie magically somehow became Zoom when sucked through the wormhole...again, it's not possible. Zoom and Garrick were fighting, and Garrick's helmet got sucked through the wormhole and landed at the feet of Joe, Cisco, and Eobard. Eddie was still alive at this time. So it's literally impossible for it to be Earth 1 Eddie. Earth 2 Eddie? Perhaps. I don't think it's either tbh.
MattBellissimo
MattBellissimo - 11/9/2015, 3:35 AM
I think the Time-sphere merge or whatever you're using to justify Eddie being in the past is a pretty big reach.
imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 11/9/2015, 10:57 AM
@MattBellissimo - "Everyone who suspects that Zoom is Eddie constantly forgets one thing: Zoom existed at the same time Eddie did. BEFORE HE DIED. These parallel universes exist alongside one another. Zoom was around for two years, just as Jay Garrick was. Eddie also existed in the prime universe during the same amount of time. He couldn't have possibly been Zoom. Hell, even if you want to believe Eddie magically somehow became Zoom when sucked through the wormhole...again, it's not possible. Zoom and Garrick were fighting, and Garrick's helmet got sucked through the wormhole and landed at the feet of Joe, Cisco, and Eobard. Eddie was still alive at this time. So it's literally impossible for it to be Earth 1 Eddie. Earth 2 Eddie? Perhaps. I don't think it's either tbh."

This is one of the better explained, more detailed & well thought out theories I've seen. However, I believe it better serves as evidence that Eddie is still alive than evidence that Eddie is Zoom.
It's a great attempt to justify & explain how/why Eddie "could" be Zoom with some solid supporting evidence. Unfortunately, the most crucial part of the theory, Eddie some how using the partially destroyed Time Sphere to travel back in time at least two years on Earth-2, while Zoom already exists in present day Earth-2, might be a little more than suspension of disbelief.

This scene where Eobard Thawne says "That is my cue to leave." after Jay's helmet flies out of the wormhole, is proof Zoom existed while Eobard and Eddie were on Earth-1. I mean, how does Eobard know who Jay is? Why is he scared of Jay? (With Eobard being scared of Jay, I expected Jay would more experienced & a legit badass. So, I was disappointed to learn Jay has only been the Flash for two years, just a few months longer than Barry.) And if Eobard knows about Jay, he almost certainly knows of/about Zoom too, right???


For this theory to be true, it would mean Eddie, some how, exists in two parallel worlds at the same time. Time travel can't even justify or explain this, right???

I wanted to believe this theory and I like/appreciate the effort, but if anything, it's a great theory for Eddie still being alive, just not Eddie being Zoom.

I even thought about Eobard's instructions to Barry about using the Speed Force to time travel, "Barry, what you're seeing is the Speed Force: your past, you present, your future all at once. So you need to focus on where you want to go. So think about that night. Think about your mother."


The part about focusing on a particular time/event, made me think of Eddie's "coincidence" story he told Iris. If Eddie gains the Speed Force in the wormhole or some how uses the Time Sphere to time travel, you assume Eddie would think about Iris. And considering he told her that story earlier in the episode, maybe he thought about when they first met. However, Eddie says they met about a year and a half ago. So, even if Eddie travels back in time on Earth-2, him traveling back two years or more to become Zoom doesn't exactly add up.
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/9/2015, 7:01 PM
@imkennypowers

Just would like to point out that more than one version of E-1 Eddie can exist in a given point of time. In the finale of Season 1 we saw Future Barry, Present Barry, and Child Barry literally in the same room at the same time. Future Barry told Present Barry not to save his mom, then got Child Barry out of the room.

The primary point of contention with my theory is that Zoom and Eddie existed at the same time, therefore Zoom can't be E-1 Eddie. The idea that two versions of one person can't simultaneously exist is something that was refuted last season.

As for Eddie having to focus to reach somewhere, that's only if he's consciously time traveling with purpose. In this hypothetical scenario his merging with the Time Sphere wreckage is not an intentional act, rather just something that happened to him in the singularity and spits him out in a random point in time in Earth-2. The precedence for this would be episode 15 of the show, Out of Time. In it, Barry ACCIDENTALLY hopped back in time a day. He was not focusing on a point of time, just going so fast he crashed through the time barrier and was dumped out at a random moment.
MattBellissimo
MattBellissimo - 11/10/2015, 4:05 AM
@imkennypowers

My only issue with Eddie still being alive (Earth 1 Eddie anyway) is that him killing himself destroyed Eobard. We watched Eobard get erased from existence which means Eddie DIED. Meaning if, somehow, some way, the wormhole brought him miraculously back to life, wouldn't that mean Eobard lives?

I dunno, I just think it would be cheap if Earth 1 Eddie lives, and it'd be a cheap way to bring back Eobard. And i certainly don't think he is Zoom at all. I keep thinking that it may be Earth 2 Barry...and believe me, I don't want it to be. And for all those about to tell me that Earth 2 Barry is in prison, that is NOT confirmed. All we saw was Barry in jail while he ran through the speed force...which proves nothing, really.

And yeah, I felt the same way that you did about Jay....Eobard seemed almost worried about him. Though it could have just been annoyance, like "Goddammit the last thing I need right now is another one." I thought Jay would have been more experienced, more seasoned as the Flash. Instead we get what we did last episode where Jay just says "Yup, you're better than me, Barry". Disappointing I think, and a missed opportunity.
MattBellissimo
MattBellissimo - 11/10/2015, 4:20 AM
Also, if I'm to be honest, "you ruined my future with Iris" seems like a pretty stupid and contrived reason for him to all of a sudden start wanting to kill Barry. I mean, sure Eddie seemed really bummed that his future didn't involve her, but he called off the relationship, and he certainly continued to be a friend and ally to Barry and Team Flash after the fact. The dude shot himself to save Barry, for godssake. To love Iris so much that he would take his own life to save the man she's "destined" to end up with is pretty damn selfless and noble. It would really undo all of that positive development to suddenly make him "evil" cause Barry stole his girlfriend (which he didn't even end up doing).
katzb724
katzb724 - 11/10/2015, 12:38 PM
Didn't E2 Wells say he created Zoom?
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/11/2015, 10:27 PM
@ThtOneGuyUKnow

What I found interesting in the confrontation is after he utterly WRECKED Barry he took him first to Iris' paper, then to the police department where Joe was. One could argue that he was taking the broken Flash to the news and the police to show the city he's nothing, but it's a bit too coincidental for me for Zoom to bring him to Iris and Joe, the two people Eddie Thawne was closest to and the two who had the most faith in Barry/The Flash.
cbostont102
cbostont102 - 11/15/2015, 5:40 PM
I believe Zoom is Barry's E2 Dad. In the wormhole E2 Barry was in jail so I like the theory. I saw a pic of his eyes and i was pretty convinced and then when I saw the episode with Zoom he seemed a little bulky which I think supports the theory even more.
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 11/17/2015, 12:34 PM
I'm a little late but have to say that this is a great article. I'm not sure you convinced me, but it's a great analysis. Well thought out, written and presented.

The mystery surrounding the reverse-flash and now zoom may be my favourite thing about this show. I think it's awesome.
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/18/2015, 2:25 AM
@cboston102 Here's my problem with that theory.

1. The breach in the time barrier last season showed BARRY'S past, present, and future. It didn't show alternate dimensions.

2. If Zoom is Henry Allen, and Harrison Wells of Earth-2 made Zoom as he claimed, then tonight when Wells encountered Earth-1 Henry Allen why did he not even bat an eye? He sees the face of the man he's sworn to take down and kidnapped his daughter, and he doesn't react at all? No double take? Not even a "Huh."?

Yeah, everyone can compare the faces of Zoom (which are pre-effects) and Shipp all they want, but the evidence in the actual show says otherwise. Until I see anything that actually backs up this idea it's Henry Allen in Zoom's actions, lines, and theme, I'm not buying it.
MasterTaffer
MasterTaffer - 11/18/2015, 2:27 AM
@TheManWithoutFear Thank you. Contemplating doing a follow up after the last two episodes since this was pre-Enter Zoom episode. There are quite a few thing sin the episode itself that continue to lend credence to the "Zoom is Eddie" hypothesis. But I also want to look at other popular theories and look at stuff in the show as to why they might be true and why they might not be.
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