DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN - New Details About The Show's Overhaul Revealed; "Not Everything" From Netflix Is Canon

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN - New Details About The Show's Overhaul Revealed; "Not Everything" From Netflix Is Canon

Daredevil: Born Again is being creatively overhauled by Marvel Studios and we now have new details about what's happening behind the scenes and just how much of what we saw on Netflix is actually "canon."

By JoshWilding - Jan 17, 2024 09:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil

When it became apparent that Daredevil: Born Again wasn't working, Marvel Studios chose to go back to the drawing board. That's almost inevitably going to delay the Disney+ series but, based on what we'd been hearing, it's probably for the best. 

Talking on John Rocha's podcast, insider Jeff Sneider shared some of what he's heard about the changes being made to the show. 

We've previously heard that roughly nine episodes of Daredevil: Born Again were shot before production ended up being halted; now, that's been whittled down to roughly six episodes' worth of material, with new showrunner Dario Scardapane (The Punisher) enlisted to make sense of it all. 

That's included writing and directing a new pilot episode and the plan is still for the eighteen-episode series to be split into two halves. Why isn't the second half being referred to as season 2? "Contractual obligations," apparently, and likely a means of paying those in front and behind the camera less money. 

Sneider would go on to reiterate that there's going to be roughly a year between each batch of episodes, suggesting the series will still be shooting when we all sit down to watch the premiere. 

As for how Daredevil: Born Again ties into Netflix's Daredevil, Rocha explained that while the shows are now considered canon, not everything is being carried over. Instead, Marvel Studios will continue to pick and choose what it wants from the past without being beholden to Marvel Television's creative decisions. 

"What was not going to be the same Daredevil from Netflix, is now going to be the same Daredevil from Netflix," the host explained, "with the asterisk of not everything is canon."

Thus far, we've seen Charlie Cox's Daredevil in Spider-Man: No Way Home and She-Hulk: Attorney at Law. The expectation initially was that those were meant to softly reboot the hero for the MCU but it's clearly not quite as simple!

"I really thought that ship had sailed," Cox said last year about his return as Daredevil. "I thought it was over and it had been a couple of years [since the Netflix series had ended]. What I didn't know was that there was an embargo on [the character] and the amount of time...I think it was probably two years, the amount of time after the show was canceled before Disney and Marvel could approach us. I didn't know that, so I thought it was over."

"And Vincent, who plays Wilson Fisk, he and I would chat occasionally on the phone, and he said I'm sure they're going to bring us back. And I'd be on the phone like, 'This guy is delusional, he's got to let it go,'" he continued. "And then during COVID, I went out for a walk with my wife and when I got back there was a voicemail and it said 'My name's Michelle, I'm Kevin Feige's assistant, can you give us a call.'"

The cast of the series includes Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock/Daredevil, Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk/Kingpin, Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle/The Punisher, and Sandrine Holt as Vanessa Fisk. Michael Gandolfini, Margarita Levieva, Nikki M. James, Michael Gaston, Arty Froushan, and Clark Johnson have all been cast in undisclosed roles. 

Daredevil: Born Again will likely premiere on Disney+ in 2025/2026.

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Batmangina
Batmangina - 1/17/2024, 9:06 AM
Let me be FIRST to predict this will eat ass.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/17/2024, 9:07 AM
@Batmangina - some plp are into that sh1t

marvel72
marvel72 - 1/17/2024, 9:22 AM
@Batmangina -

Batmangina
Batmangina - 1/17/2024, 9:24 AM
@marvel72 - 🤣🤣🤣🤣
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/17/2024, 9:07 AM
Hurr durr who would have guessed hurr durr
Batmangina
Batmangina - 1/17/2024, 9:10 AM
@bobevanz - ...and a fine HURR and DURR to you, sir.

The Netflix series was phenomenal - this will not be.
Matador
Matador - 1/17/2024, 9:12 AM
@Batmangina - Minus Iron Fist

HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/17/2024, 9:17 AM
@Matador - You mean *"including Iron Fist", right?
TheyDont
TheyDont - 1/17/2024, 9:17 AM
@Matador - And Luke Cage.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 1/17/2024, 9:23 AM
@Matador - Yeah - that was a weird off ramp.

Especially since Cobra Kai did so much to make half ass kids look like Ninjas...
Matador
Matador - 1/17/2024, 9:42 AM
@Batmangina - Dare Devil, Luke Cage, & Punisher were both better than I expected; Jessica Jones first season was good but season 2 was weaker. The Defenders with no Punisher felt more like Thanksgiving get together.

Iron Fist was just not very good story wise and Finn Jones was a chore to watch the story didn't seem to have life to it.

@TheyDont - Nothing negative about Luke Cage o say but Season 1 was better than season 2; I enjoyed Cottonmouth more than I expected and did not see that coming.

@HashTagSwagg - Nope someone NEEDS to go to the past in a DeLorian stat and redo Iron Fist like the WHOLE show.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/17/2024, 9:57 AM
@Matador - Even if taken as a whole the entire run of DD was the best of the bunch for me the strongest single season was the first of JJ, season one of DD a very close second place. As you say however Jessica's show went down hill season 2 and 3 although not against bringing back her adopted Sister with her Supe abilities, just need not mention much if anything of the stories in season two and three if they do return.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 1/17/2024, 9:59 AM
@Matador - Jessica Jones was WAY better than I expected - I actually loved the whole Tennant as Purple Man mind[frick]ery. Was badass to see him as something other than The Doctor.

Luke Cage was also better than expected and I agree 100% on Cottonmouth

Iron Fist and Defenders were the mid shows of the bunch.

Defenders didn't do enough with what they had built up IMO - it was flat AF
Matador
Matador - 1/17/2024, 10:52 AM
@Apophis71 - Agreed I didn't like her step-sister arc at all was hard to watch and seemed excruciatingly undecided at every turn.
Matador
Matador - 1/17/2024, 10:55 AM
@Batmangina - To be honest I never knew who Tennant was until watching him as Purple Man and became a fan of his was surprised to see him on Good Omens.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/17/2024, 10:56 AM
@Matador - But ......but he listens to rap, which shows that he's hip and that's gotta be relatable to some people out there. And him not being able to throw a single convincing punch was very endearing for a character who has been studying Kung-fu his whole life.
Matador
Matador - 1/17/2024, 11:18 AM
@HashTagSwagg - LOL Xenia Warrior Princess had more convincing punches



For a martial artist got beat by a blind guy.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/17/2024, 9:09 AM
Multiverse 💁🏾‍♂️
Slotherin
Slotherin - 1/17/2024, 10:41 AM
@Vigor - I really think the Multiverse will be the way to canonize everything while also paving over inconsistencies.
Like Iron Man 1 and 2, Incredible Hulk and literally everything else MCU, etc
Origame
Origame - 1/17/2024, 9:16 AM
In other words, exactly what it was before.

I swear, disney gonna disney.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 1/17/2024, 9:19 AM
I bet it's all canon, and they're probably just going to not talk about the stuff with The Hand.

Beyond that, I could see them reconning some Defenders stuff.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/17/2024, 9:24 AM
Netflix Daredevil is the best comic book streaming show ever,don't taint it with it being associated with the MCU.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 1/17/2024, 9:29 AM
Sounds like they caught onto it before it ended up in deep production. I'm glad they fixed their issues and made things/making things right.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/17/2024, 9:37 AM
Just don't mention anything regarding The Hand and Iron Fist....and Jessica Jones seasons 2 and 3...and the second half of Luke Cage season 1
cyclopsprime
cyclopsprime - 1/17/2024, 9:46 AM
@GhostDog - what was wrong with the second half of Luke cage season 1
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/17/2024, 9:48 AM
@GhostDog - I mean, the best option if canon or not is don't mention anything they don't have to for the stories they go with. Leave it all ambigious unless a reason to confirm or deny and the only thing some clarity should be given to is if Kingpin did go to jail and if so why he is no longer behind bars. Fairly easy way to cover that if for instance every witness was snapped, evidence destroyed and thus cleared on appeal for an easy out (that or a state Pardon, doesn't need to be heavy into the specifics).
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/17/2024, 9:52 AM
@cyclopsprime - for me at least, when Cottonmouth died everything took a downward spiral. He was a damn good villian and Cage's half brother just wasn't up to snuff; nor was his story.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/17/2024, 10:13 AM
@GhostDog - I sorta agree. All of Daredevil and Punisher, season 1 of Jessica Jones and the first 7 episodes of Luke Cage are really good, so I don't wanna see that erased completely either
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/17/2024, 11:11 AM
@bkmeijer1 - The Netflix stuff is more mixed (and some downright awful) than people remember. But its best output is miles ahead of most MCU stuff.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/17/2024, 11:19 AM
@GhostDog - definitely agree there. All of Daredevil is still the best Marvel has been on tv, with AoS close second imo
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 1/17/2024, 9:42 AM
Absolutely awesome course correction and great decision. Who wants to throw out the 3 best seasons of Marvel TV out there?!
Vision85
Vision85 - 1/17/2024, 10:03 AM
I loved Bullseye, id like to see that guy back.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/17/2024, 10:11 AM
Really hope they bring back the full cast and writing team from the Netflix show as well and just make this a pseudo-season 4 (including a 13 episode count). I don't mind not everything is canon, but there are a ton of plotthreads they can pick up on
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 1/17/2024, 10:53 AM
Sounds like the right approach. Consider the Netflix Daredevil a very close variant. Use most of it, but leave it open to recast some roles (iron fist?) or make changes that fit the new stories.
videovac
videovac - 1/17/2024, 11:35 AM
They have literally turned into Warner Brothers. Even worse, they may be FOX. FOX'S X-Men movies were all over the place. No solid continuity.

To see them come to this, from where they were, is insane.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/17/2024, 11:37 AM
This is another one of those course correction panics. They see a lack of money coming in and they turn to what the fans are saying and change course accordingly. Same as why they fired Steven Yeun.

But, Obama is mentioned on the show, the Sokovia Accords never happened, the actress playing Vanessa is a different race, [frick]ing Iron Fist and on and on.... There are so many reasons why it shouldn't be canon.

They have already set up the MCU DD as being different. He wears a yellow costume in She-Hulk and she suggests that he might change color. That's when he switches to red. Now, maybe a version of the events of the show happened after She-Hulk, but in the MCU in the modern day (rather than during the events of The Infinity Saga), but it wouldn't be the exact universe. It would be a universe where Vanessa is half-chinese instead of Jewish.

Also, look at all the benefits of it not being canon. Aside from the opportunity for more comic accurate portrayals of Power Man and Iron Fist, there are story possibilities for Spider-Man 4. In the Netflix shows, Kingpin and Vanessa do not have children, but if it's not canon, Spider-Man 4 could do The Name of The Rose. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones hook up once and nothing comes of it, including comics character Danni Cage, their daughter. But if it's not canon, then they could have hooked up years ago and we get to retcon Michelle Jones as their daughter (Watson being her step-father).

If you love the Netflix canon, why would you want to risk it by having it continue in such an uncertain time for the MCU?
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