LOKI Producer Takes Aim At Martin Scorsese: "I Challenge Anyone Watching To Say [LOKI] Is Not Cinematic"

LOKI Producer Takes Aim At Martin Scorsese: "I Challenge Anyone Watching To Say [LOKI] Is Not Cinematic"

Loki executive producer Kevin Wright has shared his thoughts on filmmaker Martin Scorsese's scathing assessment of comic book adaptations, making it clear that a series like this one is clearly cinematic.

By JoshWilding - Oct 24, 2023 03:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Loki
Source: Geeks of Color

At this point, you shouldn't need us to tell you that Martin Scorsese hates superhero movies. The filmmaker doesn't believe they're true cinema and has compared them to theme park rides, essentially shrugging off the hard work their stars and creative teams do to bring those comic books to life on screen. 

Agree or disagree with the legendary director's assessment, it's one which does come across as largely ignorant. Marvel and DC talent alike have hit back at Scorsese in recent years and Loki executive producer Kevin Wright made a compelling counter-argument during an interview with Geeks of Color

"[Loki] is being built with a lot of love and care, and an eye for the cinematic," he says. "Any of these shows, any of these movies, anything in this world is about making a character-focused story that audiences can connect with. I would challenge anyone watching to say that [this show] is not cinematic, and it’s not built with the highest craftsmanship and care."

"Frankly, people just want to see good stories. If you build something beautiful, [the audience is] going to enjoy it, whether it’s a show like this, or an indie film."

While a Marvel Studios executive is obviously going to stand up for the MCU's offerings, it's hard to pick fault with Wright's take. Loki is an incredibly cinematic series, and while it boasts the expected hallmarks of a Marvel story (VFX is plentiful, for example), there's definitely more to it than that. 

Regardless, comments like these are unlikely to change Scorsese's mind. While he hasn't had too much to say about comic book adaptations while promoting his latest movie, the director has previously called them a "danger" to our culture and urged his fellow filmmakers to "fight back."

Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour quite easily topped Killers of the Flower Moon at the box office this past weekend, though it's unclear whether Scorsese considers a concert film "cinema."

Loki season 2 will pick up in the aftermath of the shocking season finale when Loki finds himself in a battle for the soul of the Time Variance Authority. Along with Mobius, Hunter B-15 and a team of new and returning characters, Loki navigates an ever-expanding and increasingly dangerous multiverse in search of Sylvie, Judge Renslayer, Miss Minutes and the truth of what it means to possess free will and glorious purpose.

The series stars Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Wunmi Mosaku, Eugene Cordero, Rafael Casal, Tara Strong, Kate Dickie, Liz Carr, Neil Ellice, with Jonathan Majors, Ke Huy Quan and Owen Wilson.

Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead, Dan Deleeuw and Kasra Farahani direct episodes. The Head Writer is Eric Martin.

The first three episodes of Loki season 2 are now streaming on Disney+.

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mountainman
mountainman - 10/24/2023, 3:32 PM
Loki is not cinematic. It’s a well made streaming show. That’s it.
CaptainCheese
CaptainCheese - 10/24/2023, 3:33 PM
@mountainman - You got that right.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 10/24/2023, 3:40 PM
@mountainman - BINGO. and thats all we can ask for at this point in time.....
CaptainCheese
CaptainCheese - 10/24/2023, 3:32 PM
No Kevin you're wrong on this. Just walk away. You brought a knife to a gun fight when it comes to Scorsese.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/24/2023, 3:54 PM
@CaptainCheese - Scorsese movies are just movies, exactly the same artistic relevance as blockbusters or tv shows or even tiktok. It's pointing a camera at something. People like it or they don't, saying otherwise is just masturbatory.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 10/24/2023, 5:55 PM
@CaptainCheese - Scorcese will respond to whatever Feige brings with a montage of Italian American hustlers from the 60’s-80’s engaged in comic banter while committing every variation of criminal activity under the sun and then attempt to conflate that narrative against a backdrop of some random Rolling Stones FM AOR chestnut
DTor91
DTor91 - 10/24/2023, 6:08 PM
@UncleHarm1 - That’s a very shallow and callous way of looking at it. It isn’t simply just pointing a camera at something. Anyone can do that. Just like anyone can write, draw, paint, etc. There’s layers, there’s intent, and visual identity involved. And how the camera is worked plays a huge factor on the story being told.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/25/2023, 6:31 AM
@DTor91 - Anyone can do it, exactly. You can rack up thousands of dollars in debt going to art school honing your craft and never sell a single piece. Meanwhile someone gets paid millions for nailing a banana to a wall in an art museum. It's about how something makes you feel. Marvel movies are very popular bananas, but they are still art and Scorsese is jealous of the attention they get.
Radders
Radders - 10/25/2023, 8:39 AM
@CaptainCheese - he didn't even bring a knife he brought a banana
Origame
Origame - 10/24/2023, 3:33 PM
All you guys are proving is that one Scorsese quote lives rent free in your heads.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/24/2023, 3:35 PM
@Origame - Yeah why do they care so much? Why do they let comments from people like Scorcese, Tarantino, and Cameron bother them so much? It’s pretty childish and narcissistic to be honest.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/24/2023, 3:40 PM
@Origame - so you're a teacher right? If a well respected teacher observed your method of teaching young kids, and said "that's not real mentoring. And we shouldn't allow this in our schools", I'm sure you'd feel a kind of way too.

Kevin Wright's career, livelihood, focus in life is cinema. So yea words like that from a highly respected film maker will stir him a bit
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 10/24/2023, 3:41 PM
@mountainman - Because they know it's accurate. It's insecurity. It's also why all of the superhero movies of the past 15 years or so have operated on 1 of 2 wavelengths:

1.Snarky, self-deprecating quip-fests in which none of the heroes take shit seriously, or save human beings. (MCU)
2. Over-serious, edgelord bait like in the Snyderfests.

Because these movies are first and foremost appealing to grown men. But not mature grown men, grown men who want to watch superhero shows but convince themselves that it's not primarily children's entertainment. That's not to say these movies can't have depth or appeal to a broad audience. But there's a wild difference between Spider-Verse's sincere approach vs Ant-Man's "Let's make fun of the name multiple times in the trailer so people don't feel silly for paying to see an Ant-Man movie".

Then they'll look back on shit like Donner, Raimi and Burton as "corny" and "campy" (which they are) and mean that in a perjorative sense. Even though every single example there resulted in movies that were more memorable, iconic and had more broad appeal than any individual MCU movie with maybe the exception of Avengers 1 and GOTG 1.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/24/2023, 3:48 PM
@IronSpider101 - haha damn you went deep. You should be a writer here man!
Origame
Origame - 10/24/2023, 4:15 PM
@mountainman - it'd be one thing if it was just said. It's another if it were years ago like this quote was from.
Origame
Origame - 10/24/2023, 4:17 PM
@Vigor - well I'd be willing to have a debate about the value of my teaching method, but considering for this analogy to work it means said guy has no actual power to get my method removed from school, I wouldn't worry about it. Certainly wouldn't just bring it up out of nowhere years after it happened like this guy is.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 10/24/2023, 3:34 PM
Oooohh... wtf do people even care
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/24/2023, 3:37 PM
"lOKI" is a discount bargain bin doctor who rip-off.
ShellHead
ShellHead - 10/24/2023, 3:37 PM
I think we should learn to enjoy things without needing validation from every single audience or viewer. Marty doesn't think most modern action films are cinema. You know who that affects? No one.

Let him live his life and enjoy your own. To hang on whether an 80 year old man likes Ant-Man 3 is a very pitiful way to go
Taonrey
Taonrey - 10/24/2023, 3:38 PM
@ShellHead - right it's not like the general audience (who marvel caters to) cares what martin says, they don't even watch his movies.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/24/2023, 3:48 PM
@Taonrey - and that's why their taste in movies suck. If someone only watches superhero movies, their range of good or bad and what makes a movie truly amazing is based off of a sham lmao
KWilly
KWilly - 10/24/2023, 4:27 PM
@ShellHead - Yup. He's not the judge, jury and executioner of entertainment. Neither are we.

Enjoy what you wanna enjoy.
Taonrey
Taonrey - 10/24/2023, 9:59 PM
@bobevanz - I mean is agree but that wasn’t really my point
tmp3
tmp3 - 10/24/2023, 3:40 PM
Idk why an old man’s pithy comments caused this much heartache that we’re still talking about this years on
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