ANT-MAN 3 Director Says M.O.D.O.K. Was Almost Introduced Earlier In The MCU; Honest Trailer Released

ANT-MAN 3 Director Says M.O.D.O.K. Was Almost Introduced Earlier In The MCU; Honest Trailer Released

On the Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania director's commentary, Peyton Reed revealed that there was talk of introducing M.O.D.O.K. to the MCU prior to this movie...

By MarkCassidy - Apr 26, 2023 10:04 AM EST
Source: Via The Direct

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania marked the Marvel Cinematic Universe debut of M.O.D.O.K., who turned out to be the first Ant-Man movie's villain, Darren Cross (Corey Stoll).

The character was defeated by Scott Lang (Paul Rudd), and sucked into the Quantum Realm, where he was discovered by Kang (Jonathan Majors) and repurposed into the Mechanical Organism Designed Only For Killing.

We had heard there might be plans to introduce M.O.D.O.K. in previous Marvel Studios projects, and director Peyton Reed confirmed as much during his movie's Blu-ray audio commentary.

“MODOK has been waiting in the wings. I know there have been discussions on other Marvel movies, ‘How do you bring him in?’ And I will tell you the story now, we talked about Kang’s need for, if not a henchman, at least to have information about the Pyms, and the Langs, and the Van Dynes."

Reed goes on to reveal that he actually came up with the idea of making Cross a version of the villain, which writer Jeff Loveness was fully on board with.

“It’s such a brilliant pitch on it and it makes so much sense. And sometimes when you diverge from the comics, it doesn’t work so well, but that’s such a great take on MODOK. I think that was day one when we met. I’m like, ‘Oh, that makes perfect sense.’ And then I just had a jumping-off point from there."

It's fair to say that this big-screen take on the character proved to be divisive, and M.O.D.O.K. does not escape a sound bashing in this latest Honest Trailer!

In Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Super-Hero partners Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) and Hope van Dyne (Evangeline Lilly) return to continue their adventures as Ant-Man and the Wasp. Together, with Hope’s parents Janet van Dyne (Michelle Pfeiffer) and Hank Pym (Michael Douglas), and Scott’s daughter Cassie Lang (Kathryn Newton), the family finds themselves exploring the Quantum Realm, interacting with strange new creatures and embarking on an adventure that will push them beyond the limits of what they thought possible.

Directed by Peyton Reed and produced by Kevin Feige and Stephen Broussard, Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania also stars Jonathan Majors as Kang, David Dastmalchian as Veb, Katy O'Brian as Jentorra, William Jackson Harper as Quaz and Bill Murray as Lord Krylar.

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/26/2023, 10:04 AM
Still wonder when we can expect this on Disney+. Thought it'd be on there by now given how the next MCU movie is just around the corner.
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 10:06 AM
Wait, why would he need information on the pyms and langs? He's Kang. He should already have that information because that's who he is as a character.

Hell the movie implies he has all the information but just gets it confused with the other avengers.

Not to mention they had a perfectly good way of getting that information through Janet. While that's just for the pyms, depending on where it takes place in connection to ant man 2, you could easily explain he learned about the langs as Janet did in that movie.

You didn't need to give us rejected shark boy and lava girl designs for that.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:11 AM
@Origame - he's in the QR. He doesn't have access to any intelligences outside of where he's stuck. That's why he can't time travel, his best weapon

Being in the QR, He is severely handicapped. That's why he was banished there. So that he posed no threat
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 10:25 AM
@Vigor - he hasn't been stuck there forever and he's a time traveler who's seen multiple timelines. He already knows the avengers and killed them.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:26 AM
@Origame - there's a difference between knowing of antman and possibly killing a few variants of him, vs. Having "information on the pyms and langs"
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 10:30 AM
@Vigor - thats kinda connected dude.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:55 AM
@Origame - if that were so, then Kang should know all about Frigga, and the warriors three, when it comes to Thor?
I don't think so

He likely knew of Antman because a variant of Antman was an adversary from a universe Kang conquered
The only reason he would need to know about Antmans extended family is if he had too. Such as being stuck in the QR and needing their talents to get out of there
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 11:31 AM
@Vigor - 1) yeah, why wouldn't he? If he's taking over multiple timelines, he's definitely going to take on the asgardians, and so he'd learn about frigga and the warriors 3 (frigga being the queen and the warriors 3 being the greatest warriors in asgard).

Not to mention literally everyone of the pyms and langs have been superheroes, whether in the past, present, or soon to be. So it's basically inevitable he's faced all of them.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 11:38 AM
@Origame - you remember every person you meet directly or indirectly? Especially if you've conquered a universe full of trillions of souls?

Anyways I'm over explaining. I guess you just insist he needs to know everyone, even if there's little reason in the past that he needed that knowledge
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 11:44 AM
@Vigor - well he's a supergenius who managed to keep track of every action over an entire timeline. Besides, he knows the avengers by name, so clearly understands them as being adversaries he's guaranteed to fight when taking over a timeline. You think it's unreasonable to know the group that regularly fights you?
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 11:45 AM
@Vigor - and I guess you just insist it all works and makes sense, despite the kind of character the mcu established him to be. Sure. Super ridiculously smart until they don't need him to be.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 4/26/2023, 10:06 AM
Yes, but did he have to be a joke? I know everyone here thinks comics MODOK is the pinacle of comedy, but the funny thing about him is that he is supposed to take himself seriously.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:09 AM
@Razorface1 - but he did take himself seriously. It's everyone else that didn't
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:06 AM
I thought Making Darren MODOK was a good move
What was a bad move was redeeming him at the end. Darren was a selfish cold hearted killer with a very high intelligence. He wouldn't have turned on Kang so directly. No he would have served Kang long as he can til he found a way out of the quantum realm

They should have had Modok survive and escape to the real world. Period
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:08 AM
@Vigor - marvel I love you. But stop killing your villains. You should have learned thus after criticisms from phases 1 and 2

And for the ones that survive, stop redeeming them. Abomination, taskmaster, ghost, do not need to be redeemed. Villains are FUN! Let them breathe a bit. Literally and figuratively
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 4/26/2023, 10:20 AM
@Vigor - the problem is MCU hasn’t come up with the super jail to throw them into + most of the villains plan if to essentially kill everyone / enslave them, soo why would you keep that guy alive ya know?
Vigor
Vigor - 4/26/2023, 10:24 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - they do have a super jail in the middle of the ocean. It's where the avengers were held after civil war
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 4/26/2023, 11:18 AM
@Vigor - forgot about that. Well they don’t use it
bobevanz
bobevanz - 4/26/2023, 10:08 AM
"Don't be a dick" peak cinema
Origame
Origame - 4/26/2023, 11:55 AM
@bobevanz - I've left that as my speech for the graduation ceremony for my students. Truly that'll keep them on the right path🙄
Matchesz
Matchesz - 4/26/2023, 10:39 AM
Why is Fiege so quiet? Like he’s in front of all of the cameras when he’s announcing all the Disney products coming out, but when an entire fanbase turns against the movies he go into hiding and got no explanation except they’re going to hire better directors. I feel like after Endgame some fresh blood should have took over, before it becomes another Avi Arad situation..
RolandD
RolandD - 4/26/2023, 10:40 AM
That Hinest Trailer was about as good as the actual movie.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 4/26/2023, 10:41 AM
They really shouldn't have had Kang in this movie, especially if they were going to beat him. Should have made the villain Psycho-Man, and not have M.O.D.O.K. (In name only) not be in it. Then tag an End Credit scene revealing Psycho-Man was in alliance with Kang.
thereeljoefish
thereeljoefish - 4/26/2023, 11:03 AM
Honest trailers losing their touch
mountainman
mountainman - 4/26/2023, 11:06 AM
@thereeljoefish - Pitch Meeting is far better these days.
DCfan84
DCfan84 - 4/26/2023, 11:49 AM
@mountainman -
mountainman
mountainman - 4/26/2023, 12:34 PM
@DCfan84 - He’s gotten so much more clever over time, while Honest Trailers has gotten less clever.
abd00bie
abd00bie - 4/26/2023, 12:04 PM
Well this was not it
Spike101
Spike101 - 4/26/2023, 3:30 PM
Amazing how he keeps trying to pitch this as a good idea…. 👎
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