EDITORIAL: What I'd Like to See In AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON

EDITORIAL: What I'd Like to See In AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON

While it's all in the hands of the brilliant Joss Whedon, just how epic can he make this movie? Hit the jump for my take.

Editorial Opinion
By GliderMan - Sep 01, 2014 02:09 PM EST


At the end of the day, folks, we'll have no choice but to take what we can get. If Marvel Studios decides to kill Ant-Man in his first film or make Hulk the king of Asgard... well, we better enjoy it! But there's nothing wrong with us letting our inner Joss Whedons out and thinking about what we'd like to see on film--in this case, Age of Ultron. I have chosen things that I believe would not only help the plot of this film, but also would set up elements for the future of Phase 3. Without further delay, let's get started.
 

8. Strong Sense of Connectivity


One of the things I loved about 2012's The Avengers is that while you don't have to watch any previous Marvel movies to understand what's going on, there are several references to them. Bruce Banner: "Last time I was in New York, I kind of broke Harlem." Loki: "Your father! He did tell you my true parentage, did he not?" Black Widow: "Coulson, you know Stark trusts me about as far as he can throw me." Nick Fury: "Remind me again how you made your fortune, Stark?" Captain America, in reference to the Tesseract: "HYDRA's secret weapon."
 
There's even references to the Destroyer and the Hulk's origins. Very, very cool stuff indeed, and I hope Age of Ultron makes similar references to previous Phase 2 films. We know that Hydra has a presence toward the beginning of this film, and that'll harken back to The Winter Soldier. I don't see how this movie can't acknowledge that Stark had the shrapnel and arc reactor removed from his chest (or that his house got blown up by terrorists, for that matter). Perhaps someone will mention Thor's battle with Malekith, or it could be brought up that Loki is "dead." And if they could somehow sneak in a reference to Guardians of the Galaxy, that would be nice to see as well.


7. The Falcon


While I'm already worried about the Avengers' roster getting too crowded, to not include Falcon now just feels... wrong. Maybe it's just me, but Anthony Mackie's Falcon was one of the best parts of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and it felt a little too soon when one of his wings got pulled off towards the end. It left me wanting more action with him. Mackie very much wants to be in the movie, so much so that he left his entire summer open so that he could be available, even though he had no idea if he was going to be in it or not. It seems there's going to be an army to take down Ultron, as there have been numerous soldiers spotted as well as rumors of Asgardian warriors fighting alongside. Anthony Mackie has apparently also been spotted on set in costume, which I hope is true. I think it'd be cool to see Captain America running past him and saying "on your left" in the final battle. The thing is, though, Falcon has been a longtime Avenger, so the ending needs to show him actually joining the team, not just stopping by to help out. Cross your fingers, folks.


6. Hulk's Inner Struggle



The four gifs above come from a deleted scene from the Avengers, and I think it tells a lot about what Banner thinks of himself. As Mark Ruffalo has said, Banner is scared of the Hulk, but the Hulk is scared of Banner as well. He's a walking identity crisis--that's something he struggles with day in and day out. Since Hulk has a "key role" in Age of Ultron, and obviously something huge happens that causes him to battle Iron Man, I'd like to see a similar scene to this one that addresses Banner's inner struggle with "the other guy," one that shows he's not even sure who rules their shared body anymore. It would definitely be interesting to see, that's for sure.
 

5. Hulk Launched Into Space


 

While a lot of fans are downright outraged at the notion of Hulk teaming up with the Guardians of the Galaxy, I think it would be very cool to see onscreen. For the most part, these fans also don't want to see a Planet Hulk adaptation, at least not any time soon. Their reasoning is the story doesn't involve enough Banner, as well as that they'd rather see Hulk back in his own "world" of characters, dealing with the Ross', the Leader, the Abomination and such. Honestly, I'll go for whatever, I just want another Hulk movie. But I think if they just took the basic premise of Planet Hulk and added their own bit of story, there could be plenty of Banner time--and I think his character would create some cool dynamics with the Guardians. While Feige, James Gunn and co. have consistently denied this, you never really know.


Will it happen? Time will tell.

4. Tony Stark Put In A Coma


Let's recap everything Stark will be up to in this movie. We know he creates Ultron as a 'replacement' for the Avengers. As Ultron's daddy issues are a HUGE part of his character in the comics, I can't imagine Whedon not including that in the film. We know he created an Iron Legion to back Ultron up as well. His sidekick AI, J.A.R.V.I.S., will be becoming his own hero (in some form or fashion) as the Vision. His best friend, James Rhodes, will be making an appearance as well.

This is going to be a very Stark-centric movie, and Whedon needs to make sure all of the Avengers--as well as the supporting characters--get plenty of development. I say Ultron putting Stark in a coma--probably towards the beginning of the third act--would help this movie for two reasons.

One, it would give the rest of the Avengers a chance to shine. Captain America could take over and lead the team, and the film would focus on their character dynamics without having to worry about Stark--or RDJ, really--out-shining them. Second, it would also explain Iron Man's absence in Phase 3. In my opinion, I just don't see another Iron Man movie being in the Phase 3 line-up, nor do I think it's needed.
 

3. Hawkeye's Departure


 

While it's true that Hawkeye has been an Avenger for a long time, and I have no beef with him as an Avenger, I do have beef with a roster simply expanding. Kevin Feige has promised us a rotating roster. With Age of Ultron, we have all six original heroes coming back, along with Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, Rhodey, and possibly Falcon. That's a lot of heroes. I don't want anyone joining the team without at least someone leaving, and Hawkeye leaving makes the most sense to me. Since I truly believe that Black Widow will die, Clint Barton could decide he doesn't want any of this Avenging business anymore. Also, it's hard to imagine what Hawkeye could do up against Thanos, who will most likely be Avengers 3's villain. Hell, it's hard to imagine what he can do to Ultron. While I don't think his death would serve the story, his departure would give us a rotating roster and give us a chance to focus on the other characters in future Avengers films.


2. The Death of Black Widow


The first time we met Natasha Romanoff, in Iron Man 2, she was working undercover for S.H.I.E.L.D., struggling to get along with Tony and Pepper. In The Avengers, she not only fought with the entire team but it was established that her and Hawkeye are basically best friends. In The Winter Soldier, she became pretty close with Captain America and flirted with him throughout. And in Age of Ultron, she's supposedly dating Bruce Banner. Not only these things, but she also is a fan favorite... though not exactly franchise potential. Oh, I'm sure she could hold a movie of her own, but she isn't Captain America or Thor, and that's the kind of heroes that Marvel is focused on right now.
 
Her death would cause a ripple effect amongst the Avengers, leaving scars for everyone on the team. Her death could even haunt some Phase 3 films. I think more than any other Avenger it would give the team as a whole the most determination to beat that bastard Ultron, as well as setting up a perhaps uneasy Cap's Kooky Quartet (Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch), which I'd love to see at some point during the film. Simply put, her death would help the overall story. She's had her time to shine, and the roster needs to rotate. Let's let her go.
 

1. Big Thor Moments


In the first Avengers flick, many people thought Hawkeye was put on the back of the shelf. But with Tony Stark being the reason behind the chaos, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Hulk all having "key roles," and Captain America rumored to have flashbacks and "period pieces" it seems like Thor may be the original Avenger this time around to have the least character development. Understandable, since he'll be the 'outsider' in this Midgardian conflict, but how do we make up for this? By having some badass, memorable Thor moments. Examples? Maybe he gets frustrated and blows up on another character in a humorous way. Maybe he's the one who finally wins the battle for the Avengers in the end. Maybe he shouts the classic line: "Ultron, we would have words with thee!" No matter what, we need some cool moments with the Mighty Avenger.

So what do you think, folks? Would my ideas work for the film, or should they be scrapped altogether? Sound off in the comment section below, and remember--keep it classy!
 


 

 

 

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kinghulk
kinghulk - 9/1/2014, 2:19 PM
"I don't see how this movie can acknowledge that Stark had the shrapnel and arc reactor removed from his chest (or that his house got blown up by terrorists, for that matter)."
why dont you think this will be addressed? after all stark is in avengers tower because his house was blown up, also his chest will no longer light up.

i personally dont have any issue with the expanding team. why do u want black widow to die and tony to be put in a coma? also i agree thor needs some cool moments but i feel every avengers will have a cool moment in the film.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 9/1/2014, 2:32 PM
regarding how big the team is i dont really mind i think they just need a core group of avengers who hog the spotlight so to speak, while lesser members can still have their moments. it's like in the comics the core group (cap,thor,hulk,hawkeye, black panther, falcon, iron man) tend to be the main focus but other characters (nick fury, starbrand, smasher, and other minor potencial members) still get to show of their powers/skills and even show some character.

but i dont mind black widow dieing i would prefer it to her getting her own movie. you could then introduce a new character to becaome black widow. for example to avoid the spiderman connection a bit they could make spiderwoman (if they have the rights) the new black widow after all black widows are spiders.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/1/2014, 2:36 PM
I'd hold off on killing Black Widow...she has TONS of potential, she's a fan-favorite and, as pretty much the only female hero so far, it'd be smart for Marvel to keep all their doors open. Hawkeye is also someone that I don't see Marvel killing off just yet.

Instead, sidelining Tony during the 3rd act would be pretty tense. I really agree with letting the other characters/actors shine without an overbearing, scene-stealing Stark/RDJ in the way.

I'm really curious to see how Age of Ultron shapes up though. I'm confident it'll improve upon the 1st movie in every way possible. Can't wait, and good article!
Spideysense44
Spideysense44 - 9/1/2014, 2:38 PM
I like the coma idea
FordEl
FordEl - 9/1/2014, 2:49 PM
Marvel fans: We want a Black Widow movie


Marvel: Okay

Marvel: *dies in Avengers: Age of Ultron


Lol
Invictor
Invictor - 9/1/2014, 3:08 PM
Sending Hulk to space isn't a bad idea. In regards to the fans not wanting a Planet Hulk film because of the lack of Banner, they really don't full know how Marvel Studios does things. You would've thought they would know how they do things when they made Jarvis an A.I. system, trashed the Donald Blake persona, and made Stark the creator of Ultron. The point I'm trying to get across is that Marvel can easily add a lot of Banner in Planet Hulk.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 9/1/2014, 3:32 PM
destruction of Avengers? if you say so lol
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 9/1/2014, 3:57 PM
*sigh* another person wanting Black Widow to die. No, no, no, no,no, no, no, and oh, btw, NO! Kill off Hawkeye if you're gonna kill someone, not Black Widow. And I think any chance of Black Widow dying ended with the success of Scarlet's movie Lucy. Marvel has to be looking long and hard at a Black Widow movie now.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 9/1/2014, 4:03 PM
i hope they dont make a black widow movie, as far as im concerned it would just be a waste of time and money.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 9/1/2014, 4:24 PM
I want to see Ultimo. He isn't usually connected to Ultron, but it would be very cool for Ultron's master stroke, his super weapon, to be Ultimo. That would be a cool fight scene.

Also find a way to either make Black Widow and Hawkeye more interesting or get rid of them.
PAF
PAF - 9/1/2014, 4:52 PM
YEEESSS!!! Let's FRIDGE the female! You stay classy cbm.
BB52
BB52 - 9/1/2014, 7:04 PM
Honestly, if anyone's going to die it's gotta be either Iron Man or Thor. Iron Man's death can set down a legacy for the character and retire RDJ as Stark. Thor's "death" can be him getting transported back to Hel, which can set up a pretty interesting Thor 3.
BobbyDrakeApproaches
BobbyDrakeApproaches - 9/1/2014, 8:00 PM
Great article, you mention several things that I want to see, and you have convinced me of a few others. I also really liked the strong sense of continuity in the first Avengers, and I certainly hope this continues with the sequel.

I don't think Falcon is going to be in this movie, at least not in a major way, but he definitely should be. I agree that he was one of the best things about CA:TWS, but even if he is not a major character in this movie, he could be in the next one. There is a rumor that Cap will assemble a new team at the end of the movie, and it seems like Falcon would be a natural choice for that team.

I think you are correct, Black Widow's death would be beneficial, as would Hawkeye's departure. Having a huge team can be cool, but it can also have a negative effect, so someone has to go.
Campy
Campy - 9/1/2014, 8:20 PM
NOOO!If they kill black widow i will hunt Feige down, she has SO MUCH POTENTIAL, they may not give her a movie but please keep her around with key roles like in the avengers or TWS, she's the most popular female hero from marvel and 80 percent of the internet loves her, even not nerd or pop culture sites had made posts pro Widow movie, so DONT! they can kill whoever they want but widow, cap, hawkeye, hulk and thor.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/1/2014, 9:06 PM
I would hold off on killing anyone on the team until my son, and all the other kids in the audience, are older. Damn, then new kids will be seeing them. I guess we just have to hold off on killing super heroes and simply enjoy the stories and action.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/1/2014, 9:08 PM
Also, I would expect falcon to get new wings from Stark. Everyone else, including falcon's new best friend, are getting gear from him.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 9/1/2014, 10:19 PM
With the rumors that Cap is making his own team of New Avengers I can definitely see Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor leaving the group. Iron Man being put into a coma is a fine idea I would be down for that and it leaves him open to return in Avengers 3. I also have the theory he will retire from being Iron Man completely as a form of repentance for creating Ultron or something along those line. Hulk being blasted into space would be a good way to remove him from the team and Planet Hulk would be a really cool movie to see. Finally I believe Thor will return to Asgard since him and Jane are broken up in this film along with seeing that Earth is well protected by the Avengers he returns to Asgard to live his life. Cap then forms the New Avengers with BW, Hawkeye, QS, SW, Falcon, and Vision. War Machine would not be part of the Avengers mainly because he is an American soldier and the War Machine armor is now property of the U.S. Governement so he will continue to be part of the U.S. Military. Lastly killing Black Widow would cause the biggest backlash for Marvel and would have so many people turn on them for killing their only established female hero. In the end it would be a P.R. nightmare and would only hurt Marvel.
wallhead
wallhead - 9/1/2014, 10:21 PM

so...if it's hard to imagine what hawkeye could do to ultron...I don't see what you think falcon could do to him... explosive arrows > pair of tech 9's.... assuming the explosion packs the required punch im sure they will have to stop rampaging robots. as much as I like falcon, he would just be another black widow to the team( hand gun user) plus flight.

to be honest tho, I don't think they should get rid of anyone. and I doubt they will. im all for just adding more members. Avengers EMH had what? like 9 members at most during its height of the second season. and they handled it well. if you want more time focused on independent characters, that's what the solo movies are for are they not? the avengers should be an event film. kinda like the nba all star game. im not watching just to see D-wade and only him. the fun is that its ALL the best players together. saying its to many just defeats the purpose. id rather they just add vision, witch, quicksilver, Rhodes, and falcon and just have this massive bad ass team.

but I do agree with the thor and banner parts. the inner conflict anyway. id rather see hulk with the avengers than the guardians tho. the stark comma thing is an interesting story point and it could explain his absence until A3.
wallhead
wallhead - 9/1/2014, 10:22 PM
too*
staypuffed
staypuffed - 9/1/2014, 11:11 PM
I don't understand why people want Black Widow dead.
Snotzo
Snotzo - 9/2/2014, 12:14 AM
@staypuffed
As Freud would put it, they must have mommy issues.


But seriously it wouldn't be smart to kill off the only female hero, it puts out a bad message, especially to the female audience.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/2/2014, 1:54 AM
I actually think it would be smart to kill off Black Widow. I mean her story arc and her time in the Marvel Universe should be coming to an end, also Scarlett Witch would be joining The Avengers in Age of Ultron and if Marvel where to announce a Captain Marvel film soon Black Widow would not be necessary.

I think it would be even better if Black Widow where to be revealed as someone who was working against The Avengers and crosses them just like in The Ultimates.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/2/2014, 7:23 AM
Facing death is one thing, and having a character die in a movie is another. And I feel having a super hero die in a movie is actually a third.

Marvel isn't stupid. Kids are going to be in the audience. And having any superhero die beyond the brief fakeout shown with Tony at the end of Avengers will be a bad move for audience members of all ages. Particularly females, in the case of Black Widow. And that we have another woman to swap in makes no sense to me. With that in mind, we have four dudes to kill off too.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/2/2014, 7:35 AM
Aldo, to elaborate a bit, I and at least five other people don't see these movies to get gritty realism. Its about escapism and seeing superheroes overcome exciting odds. Yeah, stakes etc. But with Coulson and nick fury, death really isn't much of a stake anymore anyway.
PAF
PAF - 9/2/2014, 8:08 AM
@GliderMan

Doing this would be to put her in the "fridge". Do you know what that means? If not let me tell you. Fridging is the use of death or injury of a female character as a plot device in a story to motivate the male (this case males) of the story. Knowing Whedon he won't do this on this reason alone but let me keep braking it down.

1. If BW dies then again we're left with ONE female Avenger by the end of the film. That's going backwards. There is no progression if that happens. A female does not have to die in order for a new female to come in the group.

2. The scenario you think should happen in the sequel already happened with someone named Agent Phil Coulson. BW is not Coulson. The reason why Coulson's death motivated the Avengers is because they each had a special relationship with him (besides Hulk). It hit them right in the heart. I doubt Whedon would repeat this. BW is only really close with Hawkeye. Her and Tony are cool but not close. Her and Cap are cool but not as close as her and Hawkeye. And let's be honest do her and Thor even talk? Who knows. Her death would have DIFFERENT effects on each of the team members unlike Coulson who had the SAME effect.

3. No one HAS to die in order to raise the stakes. Whedon is all about that girl power movement so y'all thinking that a female needs to die in order to make room for new ones can keep it moving. I could probably see Gunn doing something like that, he has done it before but not Whedon.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/2/2014, 9:06 AM
@PAF, Couldn't agree more. We have TONS of male characters that could easily bite the bullet in this movie...yet people (not just GliderMan) keep gravitating towards killing off the ONLY female in the group. It's so weird.

You're 100% right about "fridging" the female character too. Not only is that trope so played-out in movies, video games, television, etc, but Joss Whedon would be actively setting us back decades by doing that in a blockbuster like Age of Ultron. I sincerely doubt he'd do that, or lazily repeat the same method he used in The Avengers by swapping out Coulson with Black Widow. If someone's going to die, it's going to be in a new, fresh, devastating way that we won't see coming.

Great comment.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/2/2014, 11:30 AM
And to add...the whole "person they care about dies, so they spring into action" thing has been done, and done, and done. And then again. I think the whole "oh no, we have unleashed this thing, we gotta stop it" motivation is plenty. Ratcheting tension by killing their favorite second cousin has as much impact on an audience as a character saying, "let's do this." Meaning its tired and overused and at this point I expect a lot more thought to be put into the plot.
PAF
PAF - 9/2/2014, 1:27 PM
@SauronsBANE

Thanks. I'm glad someone else noticed that people keep thinking that you need to kill the lone female to add another. That makes no sense.

@GliderMan

"Who's death would cause the most pain amongst? The answer is Black Widow."

That's not true because of what I stated above. Black Widow isn't really close with her fellow Avengers. The only one she's really close with is Hawkeye. Also, that is fridging her. You're killing the woman (Black Widow) to cause pain to the men so that that pain can turn into motivation. Fridge.

Joss' words could mean anything. How you got pain=Black Widow dying is beyond me. If you still don't see how that is a problem then let's agree to disagree. As for your other ideas they're cool for the most part. Yes to more Falcon, Hulk's inner struggle, and more connectivity.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/2/2014, 2:37 PM
@GliderMan, The thing is, "fridging" a character is a term that has major implications on female characters, specifically. So whether or not your reasons for killing Black Widow off have anything to do with gender (for what it's worth, I definitely believe you when you say your opinion isn't based on gender), it's still a very regressive mindset that forces us to take a giant collective step backwards. Fridging the female is a played-out, cliche', borderline sexist trope that has been done to death already, and there's no reason to continue to do so.

Hence why Marvel would be making an immense mistake by killing off a fan-favorite female character with loads of potential, who is rumored to have her own movie in the works. It doesn't make sense on a societal level (fridging their only female character in a MAJOR blockbuster wouldn't exactly look very good), or a business level (there's a TON of money to be made off Black Widow merchandise, not to mention the female fans who are drawn to these movies, partly because of her).

I understand that you're looking at this from strictly a story point of view, and there are arguments to be made that Black Widow actually might be the best candidate to be killed off...but all of the afore-mentioned reasons makes this a very difficult subject to talk about...especially on a site like CBM.com.

I usually agree that story trumps anything else, but as someone who's had their eyes opened recently about sexism and misogyny and unfair treatment in everyday life (and ESPECIALLY in the filmmaking/television/gaming industry. Seriously, look up Zoe Quinn in gaming, or Anita Sarkeesian and "Feminist Frequency". The abuse women get simply for being women and daring to voice an opinion is horrifying), I have a hard time agreeing with anyone who thinks the sole female superhero should be killed off, simply to give the males some extra motivation to do their job. It's just a bad message, unintentional or not.
PAF
PAF - 9/2/2014, 2:38 PM
@GliderMan

Whedon wouldn't let the fridging fly. If you know anything about Whendon and seen his shows or read some of his guest work on comics you would know that.

I'm going to keep this short.

Her death would not be that important like you're trying to make it to be. Please remember that it has been said plenty of times that Black Widow's past comes back to haunt her in the sequel. That would be her pain. All of the Avengers are going to have to face their own demons, their own pains. They've been saying this for the longest but like you said agree to disagree.



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