TDKR: Description Of A Deleted Scene With Miranda Tate And Lucius Fox

Let's face it - all of us wanted to see Marion Cotillard topless.

Actually I think the romance between Bruce and Miranda was unnecessary since Bruce {SPOILER} ended up with Selina. I mean Bruce left his entire company and the energy device in the hands of Miranda Tate. That is enough of a betrayal that she abused his trust with such a vital task.
And I agree, her character was terribly underdeveloped and (might I add) poorly acted. One of my few complaints with TDKR was how terribly acted {SPOILER} Talia's death was.

@Marxman12 I disagree :)



I thought she did fine :)

I lOved TDKR but where were:

1. Mathew modine getting hit and flipped by a tumbler

2. That tumbler driving up the Capitol steps and shooting its cannon?

Both are missing from the final cut...

@GingerBird

More than just those shots/scenes were missing from the final cut.

Much of what was in the trailers was absent from the movie itself.

At least none of those shots/scenes that weren't included were as seemingly important as the many cuts from the TASM trailers.

@BreakingBad

I would hardly say the film 'explains her entire lifespan'.

Explaining is very different from telling, and The Dark Knight Rises told her story so quickly that it was under-developed.

That entire paragraph you wrote does say what we were told but it was never really explained and when I say explained I mean that in the sense of we never really engage in her story. It was told in a rapid flashback that lasted a a matter of minutes.

I have never said that the revenge motive does not work for her, so please do not try and put words in my mouth that I have not once said.

An under-developed character can still be one we know the life-story for. It is about the time and detail of that story that we establish how well developed a character is, which Talia, most definitely was not.

@Gingerbird, I'd imagine that the movie road the fence between PG-13 and R a bit closely with all of the violence so some parts had to be cut out. They replaced the scene in which Modine is hit by the tumbler with the one where he's shot up offscreen and then shown dead.

@REDSTORM

It is a strong possibility that the want for a PG-13 rating was the cause of the cuts. That, or run-time, but I hardly see those shots adding much, if any, more time to the film.

Damn. Hoped for some BM/WF.

@BreakingBad

Bane's(in other words Talia's) story was told quickly also, so as for that argument I see no strength to it.

You did in-fact put words in my mouth, by commenting in a manner that showed me to be someone who didn't believe in her motives for revenge.

What I cannot understand, is how you deem 3 minutes of story-telling to be sufficient development of a character who has so much importance to the film's plot and its other characters.

You can throw the word 'clunky' around as much as you want, even as weak an adjective as it is.

Under-developed in terms of a movie character covers that of a character whose story isn't sufficiently explained in detail or depth.

How has she managed to infiltrate Wayne Enterprises with a fake identity?

How long has she been in Gotham (considering the 8 year gap)?

Although not essential questions, their respective answers would have gone some way into giving her character more depth and weight in regards the plot of the film.

Understanding her character is one thing, and that comes from story-telling, but feeling a connection to the character is something that comes from good character development.

Although I am hesitant to use others' opinions to support mine, it must be said that many critics and fans alike have noted her character is rushed, under-developed and lacking in emotional depth. That depth comes from a developed story. Her role was too brief and her story told too quick, for her character to be at any point described as developed.

A character who makes only a few appearances throughout a near-3-hour-long movie, and whose story is told in a matter of a few minutes via narration and flashbacks - towards the end aswell I mihgt add - is in no way, no matter how well you might argue your case, developed.

This movie was excellent, I'm not sure if I like this or Avengers better. I'm actually a little disappointed not many people share the same feeling as me but oh well.(SPOILERS) I liked what they did with Miranda Tate I knew she was Talia but had no idea how they were going to break the news. Also the Bane loving her thing did anyone else just feel he loved her in a daughter or little sister sort of way after all he looked way older than her in the flashbacks. (SPOILER END)

Nolan often uses scenes not in the movie for his trailers.

I want to see a directors cut of this.
The movie had a few flaws, but the movie is still my favorite of the 3. Flaws like SPOILERS**************** Johnathan's "real name"
Miranda's change of character not having more scenes
Those are really my only major complaints

agree w/ catwoman. mrEko..u miss the point. sure we can see bale's expression of betrayal, BUT..we didnt FEEL it as strongly as we should, since we didn't see much of their involvement as a really strong couple, on screen.

i think the love triangle really needs to be developed more for this whole betrayal and seeing bruce and selina at the end to really have stronger impacts on us, the audience.

for me marion/talia's sooooo unders-used..even MIS-used, that she ends up just becoming a forgettable bad bond girl, like elektra in the world is not enough or rosamund pike's character in die another day..which talia clearly is (and SHOULD be) more than that.

Just finished to see the movie, IMHO the 2012 best movie, it has EEEEVVVEEEERRRRYYYYYYTTTTTHIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNG, in other time i would say "Now I see everything I want it" but 2013 come with Man Of Steel so, a can wait to say that.

@CBMJaimie

Are you kidding me? Banes so called past was given a ton of time. Especially when Bruce was in the pit.

I'm just asserting whats there. Chill out and stop thinking I'm accusing you of anything.

I don't care how long they devote to it, as long as it makes sense. There is no time requirement for everyone to feel for a character. I saw the film and resonated with it. Sue me

Okay? What does using the word clunky have to do with anything. I can use it as much as I want? Well thanks Sherlock I didn't know human beings can only use certain words with your permission.

You're assuming that to sufficiently develop a character you NEED to focus A LOT of time on it. Time spent does not correlate to good character development. Good character development is perfectly doable in short time.

The only people who presumably know the identity of Ras Al Ghul are Bruce and the people close to him. During the 8 years, Bruce is a recluse not being involved in his company at all. With Bruces company in dire straits and a new rich woman there being the only option for it left, it makes sense. Also remember what Ras said in Batman Begins "Your talking about a system so corrupt, we were able to infiltrate all of its infrastructure". With Bruce in recluse, I don't imagine it'd be hard for a trained League of Shadows member to know how to hide her identity.

How long has she been in Gotham? Uh what did Alfred have for breakfast last Tuesday? Who the hell cares.

You don't give a character depth by describing where she was or what she did. You give a character depth by giving the audience insight INTO HER MIND, of her mindset.

You aren't supposed to feel a connection to her character. She isn't a tragic character. There was nothing in her character you were supposed to feel for. The character development provided for her wasn't meant for you to feel with her. It was meant for the audience to understand just how fierce Ras was. How Bruces actions cost him a ton of lives. Him being Batman, when it comes down to it cost all of whats happened to it. Nolan wants you to decide whether him being Batman caused more good than bad or vice versa. This calls back to Alfred saying he doesn't have to be Batman to do good.

If you were hesitant, you wouldn't have. People have very flawed opinions. THIS complaint however isn't flawed. Its perfectly legitimate as it depends on you. I'm simply explaining why I can't understand why you think this way. It definitely is rushed, but I wouldn't go so far as to say undeveloped.

Stop asserting "no way developed". You think your way, I'll think mine. And she doesn't make a few appearances, shes mentioned FREQUENTLY, and is in a ton of scenes. Her story isn't told in a few minutes, as its spread across the film (secretly as Banes story). Flashbacks yes, but I don't see whats wrong with that.

I'm still trying to understand how you can be sitting on a nuclear bomb with 5 seconds left and find a way to clear the blast radius.

@alanwarlock
So I guess Nolan's Selena Kyle wasn't a good female character either???

Did @grif just say he loved something? I may have a heart attack...