Why DC Can Beat Marvel At Its Own Game

Why DC Can Beat Marvel At Its Own Game

Can they build that DCU better and give Marvel some run for their money or will they pull another Green Lantern?

Editorial Opinion
By JustANerd - Aug 26, 2014 06:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics

Hi Guys,

This is my first article ever, first of all i am a DC fan because of Batman, i do not put much feelings in such fan wars like DC Vs Marvel simply because i think both companies have their advantages. Overall i think there is always place for competition and it is healthy for all.



Lets start with DC, now they dont yet have a shared universe, but lets face the facts 1) They will have one 2016 2) JLA comes before Avengers in the comics so prettu much the idea came from DC first 3) Batman and Superman and probably more popular in the world then the whole Avengers team will ever be 4) This will be their first movie together so its an event 5) Ben Affleck can play when he wants to and after DareDevil, he really does want to 6) DC will always win when it comes to Villains 7)  89 % of all Batman movies are good and looks like MOS will be the first real action Superman that matches the comicbooks lately (yes yes i know the 80s version but i said action didn't i ?)



Now Marvel, they do have a shared universe 1) Marvel MCU can carry weaker movies such as any Hulk movie, Captain America, Thor and Thor The Dark World, Iron Man 2 and 3 on its back, since it's like a TV show (many episodes that fall under a big idea) now you will wait for the next episode so you can see the big picture, its a part of something bigger 2) They have a ton of characters they can play with, much more than DC, i mean i can make a Universe of X Men alone 3) They clearly have confidence now to try anything after GOTG 4) They hire directors from different genres and make all their movies infused with other elements that all make them different from the others 5) They were able to get here without one good villain portrail so far, who needs villains when you have super heroes 6) They did a great job coming up with the Movie Universe first, thats a fact and a plus for them.



Now since we see that there are plus and minus sides to both studios, what are the most common things people like to bring out in arguments in comments and use as valid points. Marvel fans have the following golden points 1) Green Lantern sucked (OK it did , it actually was very bad - but the same can be said for Hulk and The Incredible Hulk). 2) MOS was bad - i would say it was the first Superman movie we actually saw Superman be  Super...and the most used argument was that Metropolis was destroyed - well in Avengers i think there was as much destruction or at least there should have been in terms of the amount of army that went through that gateway. If not that makes me question what exactly were they doing around New York, just browsing? Now as number 3) The Dark Knight Rises had plot holes - ok it did have a lot of those, but think about this for a second Nolan movies are not connected to DCU, if we start to talk about Marvel movies that are outside of MCU i can go on for days...Quick examples : Howard the Duck, The Punisher, Captain America (1990), DareDevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider etc. Now having in mind that, think about the movies i just mentioned and tell me this, will you watch any of them twice, no. You know why because they left very bad reviews and overall were very bad written, directed and received. But if all of those movies had a connection like SHIELD, maybe we were still going to be watching just so we can find out what happens in the next one, again just like any good TV show. 



Lets now dissect DC, what do they have going for them, clearly with 4 billion dollars box office we established that Batman is a good property. I think that in a shared universe Batman is a minus for DC, because he works best a solo property, When you have superpowered beings in there, what is he, a good detective, a good fighter, a wealthy resourceful billionaire? The only thing DC have to loose here is their prime estate Batman, if the DC universe becomes campy we are back at Batman and Robin days, credit cards, nipples and kapppoww sounds. Also Wonder Woman the Amazonian aspect, very hard to translate into screen. Another hard one is Shazam, also difficult one to do without making real based heroes like Batman exist in the same universe. My worries are on Aquaman as well due to the whole underworld Kingdom aspect, how did it stay hidden and can we really buy it, when we have Gotham in this DC Universe ? Basically i think Green Lantern should be DC's cosmic universe key along with Martian Manhunter. In terms of diversity i think that Marvel have a bit gallery, most of them sound like big DC names rip offs, i mean Iron Man, DareDevil - Batman inspired all the way. Captain America, Ms Marvel - Superman  etc. If DC is ready to risk Batman they can build a nice universe, simply because they have the best Villains hands down. 



Furthermore they can introduce villains in the Batman solo movies that are unreal, because Batman now lives in a world where there is a Superman and do a more action oriented movie. Superman can be introduced to other villains outside of his own gallery. Flash VS Green Lantern can be a blast, Wonder Woman will be the first female solo movie out there and show Marvel that women can be more that support characters. If played right this could pan out great. So far however Marvel have been mediocre to me at best, but after GOTG and Age of Ultron i think the stakes will be very high for all others. DC will have to kick ass with JLA in order to compete. As far as Sony goes they should just quit and give Marvel spidey back, Fox are doing amazing stuff with the new X Men, and will give us the BIG BAD before anyone else it seems with Apocalypse.



I know you guys love Marvel but, in the long run i think DC can make some money of that as well and compete with them with fewer characters and better villains.

Let the hate begin now!

 
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EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 8/26/2014, 7:07 AM
I thought it was going to be about comics.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/26/2014, 7:35 AM
I like both, sometimes I like Marvel more and sometimes I like DC more, to me Marvel comics and DC comics are different in so many ways.... such as Characters, The way they approach the material, ect....

There is no winning (except at the Box Office), for DC to beat Marvel at their own game, DC would have to scrap their more realistic/serious/darker tone and move towards Marvel's more fun/serious approach.... I personally would hate if that happened, I liked Man of Steel and I like that you can tell the difference tonally between a Marvel and a DC movie.

The MCU has 10 movies right now and the DCCU has only 1. I think this is the main reason everyone on here talks about Marvel so much, because they have more movies and there is more to talk about cinematically, simply because there is more material to analyze, criticize, or Praise.

Once the DCCU starts releasing more movies the arguments may become more balanced but most likely the flame wars will just get even bigger....

In other words, I don't care if it's DC or Marvel I just want good movies.... as far as Spider-Man and the Fantastic 4 goes, They belong in the MCU.... Fox can keep the X-Men because the X-men have their own universe, but Spidey and the FF4 make sense at Marvel.
PAF
PAF - 8/26/2014, 7:35 AM
DCGuy
DCGuy - 8/26/2014, 7:46 AM
needs pictures.

also... DC ALWAYS WINS!
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 8/26/2014, 7:49 AM
I have faith in the DCCU and i'm sure WB's is doing there best to make it successful.

I really do love Marvel's Cinematic Universe. It's great.

It would be cool if FOX had there shared universe between the X-men and The Fantastic Four.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/26/2014, 7:55 AM
"I know you guys love Marvel but, in the long run i think DC can make some money of that as well and compete with them with fewer characters and better villains."
i dont know if im misreading this but how does DC have less characters than marvel ( and im referring to marvel studios)?

anyway question why make this a competition? just go to the movies and enjoy the film it's not about beating anyone.
Snotzo
Snotzo - 8/26/2014, 8:08 AM
Popularity and recognizability don't compare to quality and trust. BvS has the hype it just needs to deliver and then the trust can begin.
cipher
cipher - 8/26/2014, 8:10 AM
Congrats on your first article, man.

Welcome to the site.
yossarian
yossarian - 8/26/2014, 8:57 AM
Welcome to the funny farm.
WorstUserNameEver
WorstUserNameEver - 8/26/2014, 9:14 AM
Yeah, I still don't understand what you are trying to say with regards to DC having less characters... have you never seen Justice League Unlimited!
comiccow6
comiccow6 - 8/26/2014, 6:02 PM
I love DC. Warner Brothers is the one I don't like. While MArvel has very carefully constructed a solid universe that can take some missteps but still turn out okay, WB is scrambling to make all of Phase 1 in a 2-2.5 hour long movie. It's overhyped as hell, and will, most likely, fall apart. I'm hoping for the best from anything DC, but in terms of movies, the MCU wins, hands down.
Vortigar
Vortigar - 8/27/2014, 2:19 AM
Well, technically its not a shared universe unless there's at least one movie that doesn't involve all the characters so BvS will create a DCCU but not a 'shared' universe just yet. :P

Captain America 1, Thor 1 and Iron Man 3 are not weak movies. The first two have some of the most well defined arcs and execution thereof among superhero movies while the third was a box office smash.

Marvel has always had their strongest characterizations in their heroes while DC has them in their villains. Dr Doom being the major exception for Marvel. Wonder Woman is the exception on DC's side, she's constantly conflicted between her roots, responsibilities and her feelings in a way Supes and Bats will never be.

Don't talk about Marvel characters being rip offs or newer and thus of less value. Its their impact and the quality of execution that matters. Batman is a straight rip from The Shadow who later changed into his own thing. We aren't getting our umpteenth Shadow movie now are we?

Wonder Woman's amazon world is extremely easy to put on screen. Its an awesome visual idea and a very simple concept. Lost civilization hidden in the vastness of the seas magically keeping itself shrouded by ancient powers. How is alien from doomed world who gets massive power and anti-gravity and laser eyes (and frost breath?!) by being in a different eco-system less fantastical? Or lets get into extremely rich kid whose parents are killed so he goes on a life long crusade against crime dressed like a bat. You know how that one makes sense? Exactly, you call him the Punisher. :D

@comiccow6:
Agreed, the rub lies with Warner Brothers. There's so much untapped potential in the DC characters.

You can thank Marvel Studios for Arrow, Contantine, Sandman, Shazam and BvS and however many projects are currently underway. Warner was prepared to let everything die with Green Lantern but they just can't ignore that pile of money they're raking in on the other side of the fence.

Which leads to its own problems in turn of course but at least they're trying to deal with those problems instead of just saying "too risky for the investment, scrap it." (With the Joss Whedon helmed Wonder Woman movie being at the top of that list of course.)

@Gusto:
So DC is a chick with overblown tits and spends so much time in the gym it betrays an issue with self-image who'd probably run screaming from her own audience but milks them for their money all the same while Marvel is a shameless self-promoting drunk over age fratboy having fun but makes people feel uncomfortable?

Sounds about right.
Vortigar
Vortigar - 8/28/2014, 1:00 AM
@JustANerd:
Yeah, Iron Man 3 could've been different and/or better in various ways but that's running close to saying something is bad because you imagined something better (Nirvana fallacy). Yes you make a number of viable points about Iron Man's villains but that doesn't change that people kept coming back for IM3. The same thing happened with Dark Knight Rises, the movie was worse than its predecessor but made more money. I might not like it, but my opinion doesn't matter anymore at that point, the audience has spoken and they stated it was a success.

That I think Cap 1 and Thor 1 are actually good movies is more of a personal note, they kept the engine running but weren't spectacular successes (the first half of Cap 1 is really good though as is the overall arc of Thor and the way they handled the end of that movie).

And no, Batman was not merely influenced by the Shadow, it was their template. Bill Finger stated as much, that when they started out that was their jumping off point and they put their own spin on it. The Shadow = billionaire playboy who fights crime with advanced tech and eastern training. Batman just later on he became his own thing but that's where he came from. And yes, Zorro is at the basis of both. You still reading Zorro? no, because they based better characters off him. Would you rather watch Star Wars or Buck Rodgers? Because that's where that idea started. Yes Marvel came later, but you shouldn't dismiss anything they did out of hand because of it. I don't hate your opinions, I just think you do yourself (and notably Marvel) a disservice by thinking that way. So I'm throwing the light the other way and prodding your brain. (Did you know Catwoman's current costume and character became that way after Black Cat pulled it off in Spider-Man? Yet who's the better character? Exactly. And thus it goes round and round.)

Do you really think that the superhero tv shows have no connection to the movies when it comes to the companies greenlighting them? Anyway, I'm on about the movies here and WB has purposely separated Arrow from the movie continuity. Cool that Constantine is getting a series though.

And yes, of course Batman 66 and 89 and the Superman movies have been hugely influential and we wouldn't be here without them but the current trend is led by the Marvel films, be they from Sony, Fox or Marvel Studios. Would BvS be happening without Marvel's success? I don't think so. Separate Supes and Bats movies? Sure, absolutely. They shut down a Wonder Woman movie just a couple years earlier and now all of a sudden they're saying she HAS to be out there and its very important for them? We're getting the Justice League because of the Avengers I don't think you can get around that one. Marvel admiration doesn't come into it.

Spider-Man was a revelation when it came out, nobody expected it to be as good as it was. Spider-Man 2 knocked our socks off. The way you talk about it makes me wonder how old you are because when they came out they were definately called awesome, which is why the backlash against #3 was so big when it turned out to be a mediocre flick. A shock that reverberates to this day.

And as for: "but at the end just because its still not before your eyes doesn't mean it will be bad or worse that the Marvel movies!", you're assuming that because I'm arguing different points that I'm anti DC? I'm not big on Batman or Superman but I'm on my knees for a Wonder Woman movie, I really hope they pull it off. Heck I like every single Batman movie, even Batman and Robin (and '66) in all its neon lit icy glory. Well, that's not entirely true, I've never seen the 40's Batman movie serials. ^_^

Side note: I'm currently reading Batwoman and Wonder Woman and collecting Dr Strange back issues.
matthuliz
matthuliz - 8/28/2014, 2:01 AM
i do not put much feelings in such fan wars like DC Vs Marvel simply because i think both companies have their advantages


So why did you write this kind of article?!?


You should have focused on DC and avoided comparing it to Marvel.
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