EDITORIAL: Source Material Debate!

EDITORIAL: Source Material Debate!

When does a movie studio deviating from the comic source material hurt a movie, and when does it help? No one knows better than YOU, the fanboys and girls who visit this site. Sound off inside!

Editorial Opinion
By SkylerMystwood - Dec 09, 2010 12:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Other

I thought this would be an interesting editorial, not because I wish to express my own opinion, but rather, to ask some questions and generate a healthy dialogue between comic book movie fans. The debate is over exactly how closely a studio/writers/director should stick to the comic book source material when adapting the comic book medium to the silver screen. In the interest of healthy debate, I will make every attempt to keep my personal opinions out of the questions I raise.

It’s a simple fact: Studios make movies (yes, even comic book movies) in a calculated gamble to make money. The studios put up millions of dollars, gambling on each film to rake in at least what the budget spends for them, and hopefully much more. Some succeed, some fail miserably. Therefore, I do respect a studio producer’s right to suggest that certain changes be made to the source material if it makes the character more accessible to the general audience. Ones who haven’t read or even heard of the character. With that being said, I’ll start with some general questions.

COSTUMES

Probably one of the first and most recognizable things about a comic book super hero, above his/her powers or personality traits, is their costumes. When is it better to stick completely to the source material, and when does it do the character justice to adapt said costume from its original (and often outdated) version to a more modern look?

I’ll start with Brian Singer’s X-Men movies. Would a general audience have really wanted to see Hough Jackman in yellow spandex, or was matching black leather uniforms a more serious and intelligent way to go? Should Wolverine don his famous mask and yellow and blue uniform in future films, or would that look silly on screen by today’s standards? And how about Mystique? Did the blue scales work better than smooth skin and clothing?







And speaking of Singer, how about his updated look to Superman in Superman Returns? Did the darkened, more muted tones of the Superman costume help, or did it in any way take away from the hero to the general public? Should Superman’s costume remain unchanged in future films, or is it time for an update?



And what about female super heroines? They seem to have undergone the greatest costume transformations from 20th century, male dominated media striving to reach teenage boys, and convert them to more modern, female-empowered versions.

Electra lost her skin tight red leotard in favor of a red corset, leather pants, and exposed midriff. I would never be one to say Jennifer Garner wasn’t still hot without the bandanna tied around her head, but was that a valid change to the character? Is that what hurt the movie, or was the script just too terrible to be overlooked and accepted?



Should a Wonder Woman movie ever see the light of day, would the studio be more wise to put the Amazon Princess in her famous star spangled bathing suit, or update her more as a modern day female role model, with a costume more like the present day comics – black leather jacket and pants, but still with the bracers and lasso from the original mythos? Is it disrespectful or chauvinistic to portray female heroines in little more than glorified swimsuits?



CHARACTER DESIGN

The Fantastic Four series under Tim Story took a lot of criticism, but I’m going to focus more on the things that were most noticeably altered from the source material. Was it better to feature the talents of Michael Chiklis in a Thing suit, as opposed to going with a larger, CGI rendered thing? Did losing the huge, rigid eyebrows in order to make him appear more “human” help or hurt his portrayal of the character? And, of course, I could mention the adaption of Galactus, showing him only as a giant cloud, but I doubt that will be a close debate.



How about Sam Raimi’s Spiderman? Did the organic web shooters serve as a more logical choice? Or should they have stuck with the web shooters Peter Parker created for himself in the comics? Did it hurt the movie to imply he could shoot webs from his wrists organically by holding his fingers a certain way?

STORY AND SCRIPT WRITING

So many ways to go with this one. The script for a good CBM is probably best taken straight from the source material. But there have been many deviations that have been widely successful.

We can start with Chris Nolan’s Batman movies. Both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had very little basis on previously published comics, yet were both highly acclaimed, and financially successful at the box office. The characters were all there, but the stories were entirely new and original. Does the profit made from these movies in any way detract from the lack of sticking true to any one comic book storyline, or were the characters reinterpretation on the silver screen more than enough to allow the changes that were made to characters, like Batman’s arch nemesis, the Joker?



And then there’s Superman Returns. Was Bryan Singer wrong in his attempt to make Superman more relatable to the modern age by making him a displaced father, looking in on his ex and his son, longing for the life he couldn’t have? As misguided as the attempt might be perceived, the argument remains that in today’s society, where over 50% of marriages end in divorce, the concept (at least on paper) could be considered valid for making the Man of Steel more relatable to a modern audience.

These are just a few examples of where movies may, or may not, be justified in their deviations from the true sources of their comic book roots. Some good. Some far less than good. I certainly haven’t touched on everything by a long shot. Let’s not forget the epic battle between Superman and General Zod in the fortress of solitude in Superman 2 when Supes rips the S shield from his chest, throws it at Zod’s henchman, and encases him in a plastic bubble. Yet still, Superman 2 is widely regarded as one of the best films of the Superman series.

So, I leave it up to you… Is making Green Lantern’s costume and power battery more alien and organic looking a positive change for the new film translation, or should green tights and white gloves be the standard? If Thor spends half his movie on Earth wearing a blue t-shirt and jeans, and never utters a single, “I say thee, Nay!” Is that wrong? When Chris Evans dons the original Captain America costume next summer, only to be ridiculed on stage during a USO performance, then trades it in for an updated version made by Howard Stark, is this a reasonable adaptation, or a slap in the face to comic book lovers?

Voice your own opinions, and cite examples of when you think consistency or deviations from the comic sources hurt or helped a film.

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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 12/9/2010, 12:47 PM
There is no DEBATE lol?

You either love your superheroes or want HOLLYWOOD to make sh1T stained versions of them and to be dragged through the gutter! : P
TomCruise85
TomCruise85 - 12/9/2010, 12:53 PM
good article dude
i personally feel most superhero costumes need an update, batman lost his trunks and has had a faithful update for the big screen, i thinks it about time the man of steel joined him, however the update should be natural and shouldn't be too flashy or feel too out of place
Ibz
Ibz - 12/9/2010, 1:14 PM
"Was Chris Nolan wrong in his attempt to make Superman more relatable to the modern age by making him a displaced father, looking in on his ex and his son, longing for the life he couldn’t have?"

you mean bryan singer not nolan, to me if it makes a BETTER movie yes then some changes are excepted e.g. nolans batman but some changes can be bad so end of the day it really depends on who's making the movie, and good article but whats your view point
bleedthefreak
bleedthefreak - 12/9/2010, 1:21 PM
I think the change in look(unless drastic like galactus) doesn't turn me off from the movie. Its if they get the personality, the core of the character down well.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 12/9/2010, 1:51 PM
LEEE, Soooo... people can only like Black or White, and nothing between? Fact is NONE of these movies have EVER adhered totally to the source, so by that standard, I suppose EVERY CBM is a shit stained version that's been dragged through a gutter?
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 12/9/2010, 1:58 PM
Only a tiny fraction of the population would be considered a comic book fan. If sticking to the source material completely was the way to go then Comics themselves would be read by Millions.

It is necessary to make changes and update. So many comics have their roots in stories for kids. Without some updates the Story will just not resonate.

What matters is the core of the Character. Costumes and other details are far less important.
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/9/2010, 2:13 PM
i want to see the comics i've grown up loving portrayed properly on the big screen,not some watered down shit.

slight changes are okay,but don't take the piss.

i think the worse example ever has got to be "galactus is a black cloud".

total bollocks.
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 12/9/2010, 2:27 PM
@Ibz - Thanks man. Good catch. It's now been corrected.

As for my personal opinions, I think some changes have to be made in order to adapt comic books, (especially ones published 50-60 years ago,) work best for general audiences in this day and age.

Personally, I think trying to put Hugh Jackman in any form of his yellow and blue spandex suit and mask would be laughable. I didn't mind Spider-Man's webs becoming organic, as it fit the spirit of the character just fine. And Heath Ledger's Joker, white face paint and cheek scars, (although complete deviations from the comic Joker,) were excellent adaptations.

What I'm opposed to are huge or unnecessary changes, like giving Superman a child, putting Wonder Woman in a black leather jacket and pants, or, of course, 'Galact-o-cloud."

Just my opinions. I'm curious to see what others think.
Ethic
Ethic - 12/9/2010, 2:50 PM
I think updates are necessary to an extent, but if a film maker thinks a character would look too cheesy, then i think they need to re-assess the world of the character in their head . Almost all costumes from comics can have faithful versions brought to the screen as long the world around them is stylized to suit it.

But to be honest i welcome some changes if the script is well written and the actors are good.
People obsessing about portraying the comics perfectly need to stop and actually think about the huge variety of versions of their beloved characters that exist. Artists re-design them all the time, and because they're in comic form they join a realm of automatic respect as THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
Then when an artist on film designs a version everyone goes WTF. It's hypocritical really.
But i do understand the craving to see specific comic books portrayed how comics have done, i have the craving too. I guess our opinions all have exceptions.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 12/9/2010, 3:11 PM
@Skyler

Wonder Woman's new outfit is from the source material. About time she got out of the one-piece swimsuit. If she cannot go all greek warrior then I will take the new look gladly.

I would say 20 rather than 50 as well. Life changes rather fast as do tastes.

ager
ager - 12/9/2010, 4:08 PM
i thought the black costumes were brilliant for "real" reasons but i think if they went that "smart" route than masks similar to Cyclops or the original 5 to hide their faces wouldve made sense. mever understood why they didnt, they shouldnt have even wore costumes if that was the case. So STUPID to change Mystique. i think theyve worked up to the point in which Logan can "briefly" wear a mask (throw us nerds a bone Hollywood/Fox). change is only good when it SERVES A POINT. screw artistic range
TomCruise85
TomCruise85 - 12/10/2010, 4:02 AM
i know this hasn't got anything 2 do with the topic at hand, but how do u make writing bold 4 articles?
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 12/10/2010, 5:31 AM
Basic HTML AHK92

Here is the first Guide I put my hands on: HTML
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 12/10/2010, 12:12 PM
This begs the question of which source material to use. I've argued the cannon BS til I'm blue in the face. Too many opinions are based on the RETCON they are most familiar with NOT the actual source material. I'm ok with mild changes.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/10/2010, 2:30 PM
What the hell what I typed yesterday got deleted.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 12/10/2010, 3:22 PM
I could not get large comments to post yesterday Suzanne. If you did more than about 4-6 lines it might have been that.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 12/10/2010, 3:24 PM
Retcon or not it is still source. They do complicate the history of a Character I admit.
Mrmo416
Mrmo416 - 12/11/2010, 9:23 AM
I think mild changes are a good thing. The wonder woman costume is the perfect example. It made sense when she was created decades ago for 8 year olds, but things are different now. the new costume still adheres to the spirit of the character and doesn't look as cheesy.

imagine if all fashion remained the same as it was in the 40s. I say, if society's fashion develops over time, comic characters should too (while remaining consistent with the spirit of the character).
marvelguy
marvelguy - 12/11/2010, 5:40 PM
Skyler,

Editorials are supposed to be persuasive. Otherwise you are just inciting all of us to debate all of your points with each other.

That said: I think there are iconic things you shouldn't change (Batman's cowl, Superman/Spider-Man's costumes) and things that work better (X-Men/Punisher costumes).

Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:42 AM
As far as the X-Men go I think I would have gone with a dark or navy blue color leather uniforms but overall I think the live action costumes are better then in the comics.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:43 AM
Superman suit I could have done without the trunks and they need to be done with them for the reboot. They got the wrong shade of red for the costume and I would have gone with a slightly larger shield but the overall look with the raised shield I liked that alot.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:43 AM
As far as his kid goes my problem was the name they picked. Superman has 3 sons one that would have been perfect in the storyline they went with that being Jon. They could have gotten away with calling the kid Connor or Chris without people complaining too much.

Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:44 AM
Electra was done for the comfort of the actress so I understand completely why she is more covered up then in the comics.

Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:45 AM
For the Wonder Woman I wouldn't go with the original but I wouldn't go completely go with the new either. The blue leather jacket with the stars on it needs to go.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 12:46 AM
I would change the pants for Wonder Woman to blue leather with stars. Her top I would use the more traditional look. So she would end up looking more like a red white and blue version of the Electra live action costume above.
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 12/12/2010, 1:49 AM
@ Marvelguy, I appreciate your opinion. I just sometimes get tired of editorial writers telling me not only what they think, but what "everybody thinks," as if to justify their opinions.

@ Suzanne, Thanks for reposting all your posts. I agree with your points for the most part. If I could choose the film version for the new Wonder Woman movie, I think this is the compromise I would go with.

Suzanne
Suzanne - 12/12/2010, 2:19 PM
Sorry with all the posts but it wouldn't allow me to post unless I broke it up.

marvelguy
marvelguy - 12/15/2010, 8:48 PM
Skyler,

Editorials are opinion pieces, hence op-ed. We are in agreement that they should support their arguments with facts, and not stating that their opinion is fact. Huge difference. Especially the ones who say: everyone I know things... That's worse than some of the polls the so-called news agencies take (usually sampling 1,000 people).
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